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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 14:07:34 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders?
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Post by dogrose on Mar 10, 2009 14:28:29 GMT -6
The death penalty for sure. But only after his *deleted* had been severed at the root!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 14:41:36 GMT -6
You do realize that if you mandate the DP, odds are good that the molestor will then KILL his victim..because either way he'll get the DP...
Oh,,what about a 18 year old that has sex with his 15 year old GF? He get the DP for that as well?
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 10, 2009 15:10:36 GMT -6
Those who have raped and killed a child should get life meaning life. They have an urge that cannot be satisfied legally so it seems likely that they will do this stuff again. You cannot "cure" them as well. A good friend of my family is a retired psychologist who talked to pedophiles. He says they are not sick, they have a different sexual orientation, something you cannot cure. We cannot blame them for being pedophiles, we must blame them for giving in to their urges but since our sexuality is one of our strongest needs many will fail in fighting against it. That's why I wouldn't trust someone who has done this before and rather have him incarcerated forever. Additionally I've seen what sexual abuse does to a child. The kid couldn't stand darkness because the abuse always took place in a dark room. When it was getting dark (e.g. in a thearte) the kid started shivering and didn't want to release your hand. That's heartbreaking.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 10, 2009 15:39:05 GMT -6
You do realize that if you mandate the DP, odds are good that the molestor will then KILL his victim..because either way he'll get the DP... By that logic we should get rid of most long prison terms for rapists and child molesters. They might feel that they should kill their victims to avoid doing 20 years where the risk of doing a 2 year sentence if they let their victim live would seem so easy they won't feel the need to kill their victim which would open them up to LWOP or the DP.
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Post by Grey on Mar 10, 2009 17:03:27 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders? LWOP. Never allowed back into society.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 10, 2009 17:15:54 GMT -6
Initially, I wrote death. Then, after reflection I realized that the emotional response was not correct and that a suitable penalty without the DP should be invoked. I'm still working on what that should be at the moment - the anger sharks are still swimming in my head.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 17:24:20 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders? Life without parole, only because if there is a slight chance the molester kills the child to avoid being identified the risk is not worth it. Personally I would like to string them up with a rope on the closest tree to the court house.
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Post by kingsindanger on Mar 10, 2009 17:51:44 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders? True story. Somebody I used to work with was dating this girl. She told him she was 18, but she actually was only 17. The girl got pregnant and her parents pressed statutory rape charges on the guy.
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Post by kingsindanger on Mar 10, 2009 19:30:41 GMT -6
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Post by Tracy on Mar 10, 2009 19:39:52 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders? Death if not that then mandatory LWOP no exceptions, they should never ever be in society again.
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Post by PIP on Mar 10, 2009 19:45:08 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders? Go read the achieves, this one's been done to death. I've even had my own mind rearranged on the topic (maybe even a couple of different times).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 19:45:52 GMT -6
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Post by PIP on Mar 10, 2009 19:52:16 GMT -6
She was 17 years old. That's hardly statutory rape and if it is, than I'd like you to produce the codes that suggest as much. Besides, this thread is not about sex between a very slightly underage (if at all) and a justbarelyamanrelativeofaGovenor you f***ing knuckle dragger, it is about RAPE ~ and rape of children nonetheless. How you can compare those two things is so completely beyond me, I just don't even know what the h3ll to say.
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Post by kingsindanger on Mar 10, 2009 20:04:32 GMT -6
She was 17 years old. That's hardly statutory rape and if it is, than I'd like you to produce the codes that suggest as much. Besides, this thread is not about sex between a very slightly underage (if at all) and a justbarelyamanrelativeofaGovenor you f***ing knuckle dragger, it is about RAPE ~ and rape of children nonetheless. How you can compare those two things is so completely beyond me, I just don't even know what the h3ll to say. Somebody convicted of statutory rape is still consiered a sexual offender (which does fall under the title of the thread). However, stat rape does not come anywhere close to the rape of a child (which i think should be punished by lwop with severe hard labor). This question was covered when we talked about Kennedy Vs Louisana. By the way, Pip, I already posted the statutory rape codes by state.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 10, 2009 20:12:10 GMT -6
Hahahahaha Did you even read that before you posted it? Their ages are within the 'tender years' exception and she is OLDER THAN HIM.
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Post by Tracy on Mar 10, 2009 20:14:52 GMT -6
Hahahahaha Did you even read that before you posted it? Their ages are within the 'tender years' exception and she is OLDER THAN HIM. thats classic
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 20:34:16 GMT -6
Stick to the topic, your link is pointless towards the topic of this thread.
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Post by lawrence on Mar 19, 2009 2:18:44 GMT -6
Simple solution. Kill them all. Painfully
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Mar 19, 2009 10:19:03 GMT -6
Death without doubt. I know im letting emotion get the better of me here but thats how I feel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 11:33:14 GMT -6
Some sex offenses are more grotesque than others. However, the most severe offense in my opinion involves the raping of children. If it were up to me this crime would be mandated an automatic capital offense, punishable by penectomy. The psychological damage done to someone who endured this type of torture is saddening. I know because my significant other endured this type of torture. Rehabilitation seems a far reach. What could possibly be a more liberal sanction, anti-rape counseling? What do you all think? What sanction would you all like to be imposed on these types of offenders? Not to make light of the rape of children, but what about all the other horrible offenses adults perpetrate upon them? Why is rape necessarily any worse than another torture other than the grossness of it from our perspective? So, anyway, my gut says that whatever horrors they doled ought be doled at them tenfold... and then, let em rot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 11:35:04 GMT -6
Personally I would like to string them up with a rope on the closest tree to the court house. By the wee one.
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Post by phatkat on Mar 19, 2009 11:40:57 GMT -6
They're likely to be killed in prison anyway. And ya know, I can't condone that, but I've discovered that I don't feel too awful about it. It's pretty telling that even hardened criminals can't stand the thought of a child being harmed.
It's horrible that anyone would hurt a child, but it's NOT a death sentence for the child. It's not the same as murder. The child can still laugh, love, grow up; they will have significant problems in doing each of these things, but to some extent damage control can be done.
Here's my conflict. I do believe in LWOP for murder, and I can't condone the same sentence (whether LWOP or DP) for both a non-murder crime and for murder. Hmmm. Is there an island where they can send all the molesters or something??
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 19, 2009 12:22:58 GMT -6
Here's my conflict. I do believe in LWOP for murder, and I can't condone the same sentence (whether LWOP or DP) for both a non-murder crime and for murder. Hmmm. Is there an island where they can send all the molesters or something?? Why is an island preferable to simple imprisonment. They accomplish the same purpose. You have to welcome the offenders back into society after release either way.
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Post by ltdc on Mar 19, 2009 16:19:42 GMT -6
Simple solution. Kill them all. Painfully unless of course he was mentally ill or a compulsive liar or admitted to everything or there was no "magical DNA" present, you know like "object" rape, or anything else that causes you not to be 100% sure like you needed to be in the One Reason to Abolish the DP thread above. does this not seem to be just a little bit contradictory at all to you?
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Post by lawrence on Mar 20, 2009 2:50:23 GMT -6
No itdc, still kill them all, mental or not, the difference between scumbag peados and the innocent is a huge grand canyon. Peados cant be cured, innocents can be by being set free, that goes for falsely convicted sex offenders too. If they are guilty of any crime with a child, rape, incest, death then kill them all.
Like phatcat says, place them all on an island and then nuke the bastards. Problem solved, after they have all been tortured of course for a long time.
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Post by lawrence on Mar 20, 2009 2:55:48 GMT -6
and its precisely why i can not support the dp for the reasons that ive mentioned, i agree my opinion concerning peados is not a little bit contradictory but hugely so and i am happy with that.
Peados can not be cured. Take those poor kids in Austria, the only one i would give a chance of recovery to is the 4 year old. The rest later on in life i would seriously keep an eye on them. The way they have been treated in all this must have left long term scars that will never heal.
That bloke in London was a travesty of justice and if we had the dp he would have been fried. He also wasnt a peado. He was and is mentally ill.
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Post by phatkat on Mar 20, 2009 6:40:42 GMT -6
Here's my conflict. I do believe in LWOP for murder, and I can't condone the same sentence (whether LWOP or DP) for both a non-murder crime and for murder. Hmmm. Is there an island where they can send all the molesters or something?? Why is an island preferable to simple imprisonment. They accomplish the same purpose. You have to welcome the offenders back into society after release either way. I'm reluctant to welcome them back, but I feel that it isn't acceptable to give a rapist the same sentence as a murderer. Islands at least have sunshine and they can roam around. I just want them away from kids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 6:43:58 GMT -6
Why is an island preferable to simple imprisonment. They accomplish the same purpose. You have to welcome the offenders back into society after release either way. I'm reluctant to welcome them back, but I feel that it isn't acceptable to give a rapist the same sentence as a murderer. Islands at least have sunshine and they can roam around. I just want them away from kids. ......... so what about 'hard LWOP' for murderers and 'easy LWOP' for those who prey upon children.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 20, 2009 6:47:31 GMT -6
around. I just want them away from kids. They are going to be among children. It's not a problem if the kids know who the sex offenders are. We need to educate them a lot more.
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