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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 11:24:58 GMT -6
Finally back after a computer meltdown and hospitalization and I go through the trouble of reading (and formulating a response to) an entire thread ~ only to find I can't post what I've written to you. I think it's important that you hear from more than the couple of MVS who took on your challenges, what you've said, and most importantly, your want to be in touch with your murderer's victim's family to give over to them a comforting letter from his remorseful self. Dear Somebody, First, some things about your story don’t ring true for me……… You say you were writing this murderer for many years before learning of the heinousness of his crime. Then, you visit him, still unaware and naive. And, at this juncture, he explains what he did without making excuses. Based on this visit, you decide to visit the grave of his victim. From this, you learn the victim’s family are far away and evidently you feel sorry for them. Odd, unless the victim jumped out the grave and told you. Finally, you decide to look up the crime and are shocked. *If* your murderer was as forthcoming (at the first visit) and as remorseful (at that next visit) as you intimate, surely you ought not have been shocked ~ when you read accounts of his wrongdoing on the internet ~~ which, btw, were up there for your viewing prior to said first visit. Someone who is truly sorry for whatever horrid thing they’ve done are far more honest than you yourself intimate he was. To Californian, in response to his diagnosis, you write: “But if I would be one of those women I would never have accepted his "I cannot talk about what I did because I'm too ashamed" for years...” You stated that FOR YEARS you didn’t even know how awful was the heinousness of his crime…. So, in fact, you did carry on a relationship with your murderer accepting non-answers from him, or evasiveness…………….. things that lend to the thought he’s not even a little remorseful ~ and to a tangled web you're weaving for us. I get the feeling you’re trying to justify your continued support of your murderer despite how much you hate his crimes, when you see yourself as some sort of instrument of peace, that perhaps you may bring some small comfort to your murderer’s victim’s family. My personal reaction is that you should leave them the hell alone. If they want/need/can tolerate anything whatsoever from their loved one’s killer, they’ll seek it out ~ from him, and not from some interloper, no matter how well meaning. Again, I see this want of yours as a thing for you to use to justify and defend your continued support of a vicious murderer. You said: “I will keep this letter and look for the MVS and then try to contact them as carefully as possible, hopefully by contacting someone whom they trust at first, someone who can give them the support they need while they listen to the possibility of receiving this letter, one day, from me...” OMFG ~~~~~ HOW FREAKING DARE YOU? So, your plan is to manipulate them, lull them into a false sense of security and friendship. OMFG! Stormy writes: “May I ask why you think you need to do this for them? You don't even know them. Do you hope to mend fences between them and the murderer or something?” Nope. No fence mending… an easing of her own conscience, perhaps. Then you suggest you’ll wait til after your murderer’s execution to give them the letter filled with his remorse… If he’s so remorseful, he can tell it to them at his execution ~ even if they’re not there, the newspaper’s will fill up with his contrition and regret. They don’t need an interloper. Your reply to JBS’s: “Selfish drama queen ~ No, I am not taking the risk of hurting them. If ALL of the MVS on this board agree that remorse doesn't mean anything to any MVS in the U.S.A, period, if there are no exceptions, if nobody cares, if you all know that this is absolutely true, than I will do nothing at all.” How about we tell you it’s NONE OF YOUR FREAKING BUSINESS? How about we tell you that it’s not up to you to play god in other people’s already devastated lives? How about I (me, myself) tell you that there absolutely are exceptions, but if you act upon that knowledge and do anything at all in regards to them, then you well and truly are a selfish, manipulative, drama queen of high ~ and foul ~ rank. You say: “I am kind of involved despite of wanting this to happen to begin with and now chosing to hang on. What is wrong with converstations about remorse once you are involved already? My intentions are, - although weird and not common -, good, but my behavior and actions might be misguided. As I said before: I am not saying that this is the best road to travel on. I am just trying to explain (and only because Lady asked me this) why I continued.” Here’s a thought ~~~~~ if YOU truly regret your involvement with a murderer, instead of making excuses for your continuation of same, you could stop writing the SOB and you could write a letter yourself about your continued insinuation into an awful situation with the man who murdered their loved one, stating the name of your murderer and, naturally, of his murder victim ~ who was and is either a he or a her and not an it as he/she (him/her) intimates, and the particulars of the awfulness of the act he committed that so “shocked” you, and post it here. When it’s perfect ~ and we’ll be the judge of perfection, you might just send IT off to the MVS in question. But, I don’t do any breath-holding... well, not anymore. Aside @ JBS and Greggsmom >
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 4, 2009 11:45:25 GMT -6
Dear Somebody, First, some things about your story don’t ring true for me……… Aside @ JBS and Greggsmom > Well written, well said; I concur.
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Post by Royd on Mar 4, 2009 12:11:50 GMT -6
Having not been around for awhile it takes a while to catch up on things, and this is an eye brow raiser of monumental proportions.
This "somebody" person takes the biscuit, and elevates stupidity to a whole new level.
To say they were ignorant of the crimes of the person they were writing to is unbelievable.
All I can suspect is a "troll" trying to get the rise out of people.
Reason I say that is I do know people who do write to inmates, and inmates on DR, and you cannot hide a crime, there are little clues, and basic questions to the authorities will provide instant answers.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 16:27:59 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, Thank you for your serious reply. I will try to answer your questions as honest as possible. You wrote: "You say you were writing this murderer for many years before learning of the heinousness of his crime. Then, you visit him, still unaware and naive. And, at this juncture, he explains what he did without making excuses. Based on this visit, you decide to visit the grave of his victim. From this, you learn the victim’s family are far away and evidently you feel sorry for them. Odd, unless the victim jumped out the grave and told you. Finally, you decide to look up the crime and are shocked. *If* your murderer was as forthcoming (at the first visit) and as remorseful (at that next visit) as you intimate, surely you ought not have been shocked ~ when you read accounts of his wrongdoing on the internet ~~ which, btw, were up there for your viewing prior to said first visit. Someone who is truly sorry for whatever horrid thing they’ve done are far more honest than you yourself intimate he was. "
My answer is: "I started writing in 1984. There was no internet back then. And no, he was no intimate at all. In fact, in his first letter he wrote that he was too ashamed to write about his crime. I accepted that. Later I asked again. He was still too ashamed. I could have checked it out before my first visit, that's true. Don't know why I didn't. Too afraid? Don't know. And that is as honest as I can be..."
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 16:32:03 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, You wrote: "You stated that FOR YEARS you didn’t even know how awful was the heinousness of his crime…. So, in fact, you did carry on a relationship with your murderer accepting non-answers from him, or evasiveness…………….. things that lend to the thought he’s not even a little remorseful ~ and to a tangled web you're weaving for us."
My reply: "I don't have a relationship and it is not "my" murderer. He is a dr-inmate. His address was once send to me by Amnesty International. I started writing because I was against the dp. About being remorseful: he was and still is. He was so ashamed that he couldn't write about it. At first I let him because we both thought this correspondence would last a few years (upcoming execution). I am not weaving a web for you. I just try to explain that a so called scumpal might have good intentions...
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 16:35:06 GMT -6
Hi again, You wrote: "You said: “I will keep this letter and look for the MVS and then try to contact them as carefully as possible, hopefully by contacting someone whom they trust at first, someone who can give them the support they need while they listen to the possibility of receiving this letter, one day, from me...”OMFG ~~~~~ HOW FREAKING DARE YOU? So, your plan is to manipulate them, lull them into a false sense of security and friendship. OMFG!"
My reply: "In dead man walking a family member of the victim approached Helen Prejean. He was angry because she only listened to one side of the story. I have heard this before, also on this board, sentences as "they only care for murderers". I tried not to do the same thing. And for the letter: as I said before, I think I will not do this anymore. After all the replies over here I don't want it anymore.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 16:36:59 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, You wrote: "How about we tell you it’s NONE OF YOUR FREAKING BUSINESS? How about we tell you that it’s not up to you to play god in other people’s already devastated lives? How about I (me, myself) tell you that there absolutely are exceptions, but if you act upon that knowledge and do anything at all in regards to them, then you well and truly are a selfish, manipulative, drama queen of high ~ and foul ~ rank."
Ok. As I said before: I will not do it.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 16:44:55 GMT -6
Ho Wonderwoman, You wrote: "Here’s a thought ~~~~~ if YOU truly regret your involvement with a murderer, instead of making excuses for your continuation of same, you could stop writing the SOB and you could write a letter yourself about your continued insinuation into an awful situation with the man who murdered their loved one, stating the name of your murderer and, naturally, of his murder victim ~ who was and is either a he or a her and not an it as he/she (him/her) intimates, and the particulars of the awfulness of the act he committed that so “shocked” you, and post it here. When it’s perfect ~ and we’ll be the judge of perfection, you might just send IT off to the MVS in question. But, I don’t do any breath-holding... well, not anymore. "
My reply: "Why should I do that? You people have given me more names over here than I've received in my entire life, you have told me over and over again that I must be out of my head to write in the first place ... I receive post after post filled with disgusting words about me, and now I should trust you with a letter which, by the way, can be very hurtful for visitors or maybe the murdered victims family? I don't want to add any more pain to this. Because no, I don't want it anymore. You all have convinced me. No letter."
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 16:49:19 GMT -6
Having not been around for awhile it takes a while to catch up on things, and this is an eye brow raiser of monumental proportions. This "somebody" person takes the biscuit, and elevates stupidity to a whole new level. To say they were ignorant of the crimes of the person they were writing to is unbelievable. All I can suspect is a "troll" trying to get the rise out of people. Reason I say that is I do know people who do write to inmates, and inmates on DR, and you cannot hide a crime, there are little clues, and basic questions to the authorities will provide instant answers. Hi Royd, Not a troll. And: he didn't hide a crime. It was 1984 when I started writing... You can read my posts to Wonderwoman.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 17:17:29 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, Thank you for your serious reply. I will try to answer your questions as honest as possible. You wrote: "You say you were writing this murderer for many years before learning of the heinousness of his crime. Then, you visit him, still unaware and naive. And, at this juncture, he explains what he did without making excuses. Based on this visit, you decide to visit the grave of his victim. From this, you learn the victim’s family are far away and evidently you feel sorry for them. Odd, unless the victim jumped out the grave and told you. Finally, you decide to look up the crime and are shocked. *If* your murderer was as forthcoming (at the first visit) and as remorseful (at that next visit) as you intimate, surely you ought not have been shocked ~ when you read accounts of his wrongdoing on the internet ~~ which, btw, were up there for your viewing prior to said first visit. Someone who is truly sorry for whatever horrid thing they’ve done are far more honest than you yourself intimate he was. " My answer is: "I started writing in 1984. There was no internet back then. And no, he was no intimate at all. In fact, in his first letter he wrote that he was too ashamed to write about his crime. I accepted that. Later I asked again. He was still too ashamed. I could have checked it out before my first visit, that's true. Don't know why I didn't. Too afraid? Don't know. And that is as honest as I can be..." Intimate, not intimate, Somebody. You intimated (hinted, implied, or announced, as in this case) that he’s remorseful. I never intimated that you were intimate (as in sexual relations) with him. Gawd, I would sure hope not. And, I maintain that someone of his caliber ought be willing to share with you, who he’s been corresponding with for years, what exactly it is he’s remorseful for. Otherwise, I will go on intimating (and believing) that his supposed remorse is only over your discovery and shock at his horrific crime (as if ‘just’ murdering someone isn’t bad enough), and NOT over what he did to his victim, unless you consider yourself an innocent victim of his by extension.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 17:26:25 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, Thank you for your serious reply. I will try to answer your questions as honest as possible. You wrote: "You say you were writing this murderer for many years before learning of the heinousness of his crime. Then, you visit him, still unaware and naive. And, at this juncture, he explains what he did without making excuses. Based on this visit, you decide to visit the grave of his victim. From this, you learn the victim’s family are far away and evidently you feel sorry for them. Odd, unless the victim jumped out the grave and told you. Finally, you decide to look up the crime and are shocked. *If* your murderer was as forthcoming (at the first visit) and as remorseful (at that next visit) as you intimate, surely you ought not have been shocked ~ when you read accounts of his wrongdoing on the internet ~~ which, btw, were up there for your viewing prior to said first visit. Someone who is truly sorry for whatever horrid thing they’ve done are far more honest than you yourself intimate he was. " My answer is: "I started writing in 1984. There was no internet back then. And no, he was no intimate at all. In fact, in his first letter he wrote that he was too ashamed to write about his crime. I accepted that. Later I asked again. He was still too ashamed. I could have checked it out before my first visit, that's true. Don't know why I didn't. Too afraid? Don't know. And that is as honest as I can be..." Intimate, not intimate, Somebody. You intimated (hinted, implied, or announced, as in this case) that he’s remorseful. I never intimated that you were intimate (as in sexual relations) with him. Gawd, I would sure hope not. And, I maintain that someone of his caliber ought be willing to share with you, who he’s been corresponding with for years, what exactly it is he’s remorseful for. Otherwise, I will go on intimating (and believing) that his supposed remorse is only over your discovery and shock at his horrific crime (as if ‘just’ murdering someone isn’t bad enough), and NOT over what he did to his victim, unless you consider yourself an innocent victim of his by extension. Thanks for explaining my mistakes in the language I cannot prove it. I have seen it written on his face.... He told me that the voices in his head will never stop shouting at him. He wrote me poems in which he described thatspecific night and his nightmares because of what he did. He's afraid of dying because he will definatelly go to hell. He has no excuses (which he would use if he was trying to show remorse for my discovery). He used alcohol that night but he says he took the first glass himself. He used drugs but he says he decided to use this himself. He had a bad childhood but he says many people have. So, no excuses. No sugarcoating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 17:36:43 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, You wrote: "You stated that FOR YEARS you didn’t even know how awful was the heinousness of his crime…. So, in fact, you did carry on a relationship with your murderer accepting non-answers from him, or evasiveness…………….. things that lend to the thought he’s not even a little remorseful ~ and to a tangled web you're weaving for us." My reply: "I don't have a relationship and it is not "my" murderer. He is a dr-inmate. His address was once send to me by Amnesty International. I started writing because I was against the dp. About being remorseful: he was and still is. He was so ashamed that he couldn't write about it. At first I let him because we both thought this correspondence would last a few years (upcoming execution). I am not weaving a web for you. I just try to explain that a so called scumpal might have good intentions... Sure you have a 'relationship' with him. To some extent we all have a 'relationship' with those in our lives. Again, I implied nothing sexual nor intimated any ugliness to the word ~ beyond that you have a relationship (an association or connection) with a murderer. He's 'your murderer' as opposed to some other penpal's murderer ~ he's the one YOU correspond with, visit, and support of your own choosing. You excuse it by telling us that for years you had no knowledge of his crime ~ beyond, of course, murder. In the end, he remains your murderer of choice. As for your 'good intentions', I'm unconvinced that's the case given you walked into this board where you knew (from previous experience) MVS abound ~ I see no good intentions in that, and in fact, I only have experience here to go by. But, you don't need to explain to me that some scumpals have good intentions ~ I know and respect a few. You just don't happen to be among them given your record here, your evasiveness, your whining, and your stubborn refusal to admit you might just be wrong about the remorse you perceive written all over your murderer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 17:41:29 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, You wrote: "You stated that FOR YEARS you didn’t even know how awful was the heinousness of his crime…. So, in fact, you did carry on a relationship with your murderer accepting non-answers from him, or evasiveness…………….. things that lend to the thought he’s not even a little remorseful ~ and to a tangled web you're weaving for us." My reply: "I don't have a relationship and it is not "my" murderer. He is a dr-inmate. His address was once send to me by Amnesty International. I started writing because I was against the dp. About being remorseful: he was and still is. He was so ashamed that he couldn't write about it. At first I let him because we both thought this correspondence would last a few years (upcoming execution). I am not weaving a web for you. I just try to explain that a so called scumpal might have good intentions... Sure you have a 'relationship' with him. To some extent we all have a 'relationship' with those in our lives. Again, I implied nothing sexual nor intimated any ugliness to the word ~ beyond that you have a relationship (an association or connection) with a murderer. He's 'your murderer' as opposed to some other penpal's murderer ~ he's the one YOU correspond with, visit, and support of your own choosing. You excuse it by telling us that for years you had no knowledge of his crime ~ beyond, of course, murder. In the end, he remains your murderer of choice. As for your 'good intentions', I'm unconvinced that's the case given you walked into this board where you knew (from previous experience) MVS abound ~ I see no good intentions in that, and in fact, I only have experience here to go by. But, you don't need to explain to me that some scumpals have good intentions ~ I know and respect a few. You just don't happen to be among them given your record here, your evasiveness, your whining, and your stubborn refusal to admit you might just be wrong about the remorse you perceive written all over your murderer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 17:49:24 GMT -6
Ho Wonderwoman, You wrote: "Here’s a thought ~~~~~ if YOU truly regret your involvement with a murderer, instead of making excuses for your continuation of same, you could stop writing the SOB and you could write a letter yourself about your continued insinuation into an awful situation with the man who murdered their loved one, stating the name of your murderer and, naturally, of his murder victim ~ who was and is either a he or a her and not an it as he/she (him/her) intimates, and the particulars of the awfulness of the act he committed that so “shocked” you, and post it here. When it’s perfect ~ and we’ll be the judge of perfection, you might just send IT off to the MVS in question. But, I don’t do any breath-holding... well, not anymore. " My reply: "Why should I do that? You people have given me more names over here than I've received in my entire life, Yeah, but you're talking at me, and I don't believe I've hurled any names your way, except in the instance of *if" and you said you won't do that *if*. That bothers you? Sheesh ~ grow some skin. Do you have ANY freaking idea how often MVS around here are told they're nuts? Do you want to know a secret? We are. And, we're damn proud of it. So get down off your self-made pedestal and quit belly-aching about the horrid treatment you've had here ~~~ where YOU chose to come back to, after leaving for the same horrid treatment. Can you say masochist?
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 17:50:55 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, ok, I thought you implied something sexual or intimated, now I know you did not. About walking into this board again, after not coming here for about two years: I thought my story about writing with a dr-inmate would have faded by then. I wanted to discuss the dp. I am more anti dp than pro writing to dr inmates. Greggsmom mentioned it again so it all came back... and I'm stull busy answering all these questions. Although MVS abound it is supposed to be a discussion board about the dp, right? I thought I could do that. Would you have recommended changing my name over here before (after two years) coming back to discuss the dp? And then, there we go again... My evasiveness, my whining, my stubborn refusal... Have you mentioned that I have never wrote to anyone in the way you are writing to me?
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 17:57:49 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, You wrote: "That bothers you? Sheesh ~ grow some skin. Do you have ANY freaking idea how often MVS around here are told they're nuts? Do you want to know a secret? We are. And, we're damn proud of it. So get down off your self-made pedestal and quit belly-aching about the horrid treatment you've had here ~~~ where YOU chose to come back to, after leaving for the same horrid treatment. Can you say masochist?"
My reply: "I am not used to this. That's all."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 18:09:13 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, ok, I thought you implied something sexual or intimated, now I know you did not. About walking into this board again, after not coming here for about two years: I thought my story about writing with a dr-inmate would have faded by then. I wanted to discuss the dp. I am more anti dp than pro writing to dr inmates. Greggsmom mentioned it again so it all came back... and I'm stull busy answering all these questions. Although MVS abound it is supposed to be a discussion board about the dp, right? I thought I could do that. Would you have recommended changing my name over here before (after two years) coming back to discuss the dp? And then, there we go again... My evasiveness, my whining, my stubborn refusal... Have you mentioned that I have never wrote to anyone in the way you are writing to me? Evidently you prefer sugar coating. Unfortunately, I never was into enough sugar to coat all that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 18:10:49 GMT -6
Intimate, not intimate, Somebody. You intimated (hinted, implied, or announced, as in this case) that he’s remorseful. I never intimated that you were intimate (as in sexual relations) with him. Gawd, I would sure hope not. And, I maintain that someone of his caliber ought be willing to share with you, who he’s been corresponding with for years, what exactly it is he’s remorseful for. Otherwise, I will go on intimating (and believing) that his supposed remorse is only over your discovery and shock at his horrific crime (as if ‘just’ murdering someone isn’t bad enough), and NOT over what he did to his victim, unless you consider yourself an innocent victim of his by extension. Thanks for explaining my mistakes in the language I cannot prove it. I have seen it written on his face.... He told me that the voices in his head will never stop shouting at him. He wrote me poems in which he described thatspecific night and his nightmares because of what he did. He's afraid of dying because he will definatelly go to hell. He has no excuses (which he would use if he was trying to show remorse for my discovery). He used alcohol that night but he says he took the first glass himself. He used drugs but he says he decided to use this himself. He had a bad childhood but he says many people have. So, no excuses. No sugarcoating. The oh so remorseful DR inmate you write is making no excuses. Let's see. Voices in his head. Bad childhood. Alcohol. Drugs. Is he going to play the tard card, too? This POS is nothing but excuses and you are here to help to spread them. You are a therapist? Are you really a licensed therapist or are you just someone that got the title from that little organization that you work with? I usually don't share things from a PM but remember I said I didn't trust you and I didn't like you. I have never and I never will PM you. Well, you told me that you counsel both MVSs and families of DR inmate and the families of POS that have been executed. How can you do that in your country? There is no DP there. You are counseling people here and I doubt that you are a licensed therapist in the US, which means you are trained by a forgiving radical anti group. IOW, you have come to brainwash, guilt us, tell us that we are hater filled. Well, so what. I AM HATE FILLED. I don't want to change. I don't want to give up my anger. I don't want to be offered fake smiles, fake sympathy, fake caring. I know who I am and I have no guilt over it. You want an opportunity to get to know me, more like an opportunity to try to change my mind with whatever techniques you are trained to use. That is called brainwashing.
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Post by Grey on Mar 4, 2009 18:13:02 GMT -6
Out of all the people in the world that would appreciate the company- elderly in homes/hospitals homeless people in shelters to talk with etc...
people choose MURDERERS.
The problem is that when people write to murderers its like they codone or accept the act of taking another persons life. Even though you may personally be against murder-murder in itself involves an act from a human. Supporting that human is supporting murder.
I find that those who write to murderers are socializing the act-making it "acceptable" or not as bad-because if it truly was bad no one would write to them. The fact is they do. And it's wrong.
Let me ask you this.
Would you write to Hitler? Would you write to someone committing genocide? Would you write to a person who killed 3 people?
If you answered no, but you can write to someone who killed one person why?
All those three examples involve taking lives. Is it ok that they "only killed one person" yet when the death toll climbs its not?
Whether it be one victim or 6 million victims your supporting them and their actions whether you realize it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 18:17:52 GMT -6
Thanks for explaining my mistakes in the language I cannot prove it. I have seen it written on his face.... He told me that the voices in his head will never stop shouting at him. He wrote me poems in which he described thatspecific night and his nightmares because of what he did. He's afraid of dying because he will definatelly go to hell. He has no excuses (which he would use if he was trying to show remorse for my discovery). He used alcohol that night but he says he took the first glass himself. He used drugs but he says he decided to use this himself. He had a bad childhood but he says many people have. So, no excuses. No sugarcoating. The oh so remorseful DR inmate you write is making no excuses. Let's see. Voices in his head. Bad childhood. Alcohol. Drugs. Is he going to play the tard card, too? This POS is nothing but excuses and you are here to help to spread them. You are a therapist? Are you really a licensed therapist or are you just someone that got the title from that little organization that you work with? I usually don't share things from a PM but remember I said I didn't trust you and I didn't like you. I have never and I never will PM you. Well, you told me that you counsel both MVSs and families of DR inmate and the families of POS that have been executed. How can you do that in your country? There is no DP there. You are counseling people here and I doubt that you are a licensed therapist in the US, which means you are trained by a forgiving radical anti group. IOW, you have come to brainwash, guilt us, tell us that we are hater filled. Well, so what. I AM HATE FILLED. I don't want to change. I don't want to give up my anger. I don't want to be offered fake smiles, fake sympathy, fake caring. I know who I am and I have no guilt over it. You want an opportunity to get to know me, more like an opportunity to try to change my mind with whatever techniques you are trained to use. That is called brainwashing. Okay, pulling out every card I own: As an anti and an MVS and someone trying to forgive that which it's in my power to forgive, I gotta say Greggsmom, NEVER CHANGE!!! I love you just the way you are.
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Post by Stormyweather on Mar 4, 2009 18:25:01 GMT -6
Thanks for explaining my mistakes in the language I cannot prove it. I have seen it written on his face.... He told me that the voices in his head will never stop shouting at him. He wrote me poems in which he described thatspecific night and his nightmares because of what he did. He's afraid of dying because he will definatelly go to hell. He has no excuses (which he would use if he was trying to show remorse for my discovery). He used alcohol that night but he says he took the first glass himself. He used drugs but he says he decided to use this himself. He had a bad childhood but he says many people have. So, no excuses. No sugarcoating. The oh so remorseful DR inmate you write is making no excuses. Let's see. Voices in his head. Bad childhood. Alcohol. Drugs. Is he going to play the tard card, too? This POS is nothing but excuses and you are here to help to spread them. You are a therapist? Are you really a licensed therapist or are you just someone that got the title from that little organization that you work with? I usually don't share things from a PM but remember I said I didn't trust you and I didn't like you. I have never and I never will PM you. Well, you told me that you counsel both MVSs and families of DR inmate and the families of POS that have been executed. How can you do that in your country? There is no DP there. You are counseling people here and I doubt that you are a licensed therapist in the US, which means you are trained by a forgiving radical anti group. IOW, you have come to brainwash, guilt us, tell us that we are hater filled. Well, so what. I AM HATE FILLED. I don't want to change. I don't want to give up my anger. I don't want to be offered fake smiles, fake sympathy, fake caring. I know who I am and I have no guilt over it. You want an opportunity to get to know me, more like an opportunity to try to change my mind with whatever techniques you are trained to use. That is called brainwashing. You always have a superb way of explaining things.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 18:26:43 GMT -6
Thanks for explaining my mistakes in the language I cannot prove it. I have seen it written on his face.... He told me that the voices in his head will never stop shouting at him. He wrote me poems in which he described thatspecific night and his nightmares because of what he did. He's afraid of dying because he will definatelly go to hell. He has no excuses (which he would use if he was trying to show remorse for my discovery). He used alcohol that night but he says he took the first glass himself. He used drugs but he says he decided to use this himself. He had a bad childhood but he says many people have. So, no excuses. No sugarcoating. The oh so remorseful DR inmate you write is making no excuses. Let's see. Voices in his head. Bad childhood. Alcohol. Drugs. Is he going to play the tard card, too? This POS is nothing but excuses and you are here to help to spread them. You are a therapist? Are you really a licensed therapist or are you just someone that got the title from that little organization that you work with? I usually don't share things from a PM but remember I said I didn't trust you and I didn't like you. I have never and I never will PM you. Well, you told me that you counsel both MVSs and families of DR inmate and the families of POS that have been executed. How can you do that in your country? There is no DP there. You are counseling people here and I doubt that you are a licensed therapist in the US, which means you are trained by a forgiving radical anti group. IOW, you have come to brainwash, guilt us, tell us that we are hater filled. Well, so what. I AM HATE FILLED. I don't want to change. I don't want to give up my anger. I don't want to be offered fake smiles, fake sympathy, fake caring. I know who I am and I have no guilt over it. You want an opportunity to get to know me, more like an opportunity to try to change my mind with whatever techniques you are trained to use. That is called brainwashing. I am a licensed therapist. I did not mention the things you are writing now!!! I wrote in a PM to you (and I copy this): "I know victims and their family members as well, not in the U.S.A. but here, in The Netherlands. It's my work to help them." That's it! That's all! Please remain hate filled. YOU keep on posting to me. I just try to answer politely. No PM's anymore? No PM's. No reply's? Fine. Be hate filled as much as you like.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 18:43:06 GMT -6
Out of all the people in the world that would appreciate the company- elderly in homes/hospitals homeless people in shelters to talk with etc... people choose MURDERERS. The problem is that when people write to murderers its like they codone or accept the act of taking another persons life. Even though you may personally be against murder-murder in itself involves an act from a human. Supporting that human is supporting murder. I find that those who write to murderers are socializing the act-making it "acceptable" or not as bad-because if it truly was bad no one would write to them. The fact is they do. And it's wrong. Let me ask you this. Would you write to Hitler? Would you write to someone committing genocide? Would you write to a person who killed 3 people? If you answered no, but you can write to someone who killed one person why? All those three examples involve taking lives. Is it ok that they "only killed one person" yet when the death toll climbs its not? Whether it be one victim or 6 million victims your supporting them and their actions whether you realize it or not. No, I wouldn't write to Hitler or someone committing genocide. No, I would not chose to write to another dr-inmate again. But I do not agree with murder as well. Why is it so hard to understand this? I am a therapist. I work with abused children AND talk with abusive fathers. Hard? Yes. Difficult? Absolutely. But I do believe that people can change and feel remorse about what they did. Do you believe that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 18:47:26 GMT -6
The oh so remorseful DR inmate you write is making no excuses. Let's see. Voices in his head. Bad childhood. Alcohol. Drugs. Is he going to play the tard card, too? This POS is nothing but excuses and you are here to help to spread them. You are a therapist? Are you really a licensed therapist or are you just someone that got the title from that little organization that you work with? I usually don't share things from a PM but remember I said I didn't trust you and I didn't like you. I have never and I never will PM you. Well, you told me that you counsel both MVSs and families of DR inmate and the families of POS that have been executed. How can you do that in your country? There is no DP there. You are counseling people here and I doubt that you are a licensed therapist in the US, which means you are trained by a forgiving radical anti group. IOW, you have come to brainwash, guilt us, tell us that we are hater filled. Well, so what. I AM HATE FILLED. I don't want to change. I don't want to give up my anger. I don't want to be offered fake smiles, fake sympathy, fake caring. I know who I am and I have no guilt over it. You want an opportunity to get to know me, more like an opportunity to try to change my mind with whatever techniques you are trained to use. That is called brainwashing. I am a licensed therapist. I did not mention the things you are writing now!!! I wrote in a PM to you (and I copy this): "I know victims and their family members as well, not in the U.S.A. but here, in The Netherlands. It's my work to help them." That's it! That's all! Please remain hate filled. YOU keep on posting to me. I just try to answer politely. No PM's anymore? No PM's. No reply's? Fine. Be hate filled as much as you like. What am I supposed to feel guilty because you don't like me, either I have never replied to your pm and I never will. You don't want to reply to me here. FINE BY ME. This doesn't mean that I won't reply to you. Anyone that would let you be a therapists to MVSs, needs therapy themselves. Any therapist that would think it is a good idea to look up MVSs to give them a letter from the murderer that caused them to be MVSs, should probably go back and take more classes because I think there are quite a few screws that you need tightened.
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Post by somebody on Mar 4, 2009 19:21:43 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, ok, I thought you implied something sexual or intimated, now I know you did not. About walking into this board again, after not coming here for about two years: I thought my story about writing with a dr-inmate would have faded by then. I wanted to discuss the dp. I am more anti dp than pro writing to dr inmates. Greggsmom mentioned it again so it all came back... and I'm stull busy answering all these questions. Although MVS abound it is supposed to be a discussion board about the dp, right? I thought I could do that. Would you have recommended changing my name over here before (after two years) coming back to discuss the dp? And then, there we go again... My evasiveness, my whining, my stubborn refusal... Have you mentioned that I have never wrote to anyone in the way you are writing to me? Evidently you prefer sugar coating. Unfortunately, I never was into enough sugar to coat all that. Do you teach your children to be friendly? I do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 19:45:01 GMT -6
Evidently you prefer sugar coating. Unfortunately, I never was into enough sugar to coat all that. Do you teach your children to be friendly? I do. I don't teach my children anything since one is an adult and the other is, in fact, my teacher 'on high', so to speak, compliments of one of the murderers whose crime you probably wouldn't be terribly shocked over. In any case, when they were young, I taught them that truth trumps all things, including, and maybe especially, false friendliness. I don't have a need or want to be liked by all people, and I sure didn't instill in them the thinking that they ought. Walk around with a fake smile and that doesn't make you more popular. It just gets your fake smile noticed. I noticed.
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Post by kingsindanger on Mar 4, 2009 20:29:20 GMT -6
Hi Wonderwoman, Thank you for your serious reply. Do me a favor and stop starting all of your posts with "Thank you for your serious reply". Its annoying already. Quit being a pansy and come up with a new line.
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Post by Grey on Mar 4, 2009 20:39:12 GMT -6
Out of all the people in the world that would appreciate the company- elderly in homes/hospitals homeless people in shelters to talk with etc... people choose MURDERERS. The problem is that when people write to murderers its like they codone or accept the act of taking another persons life. Even though you may personally be against murder-murder in itself involves an act from a human. Supporting that human is supporting murder. I find that those who write to murderers are socializing the act-making it "acceptable" or not as bad-because if it truly was bad no one would write to them. The fact is they do. And it's wrong. Let me ask you this. Would you write to Hitler? Would you write to someone committing genocide? Would you write to a person who killed 3 people? If you answered no, but you can write to someone who killed one person why? All those three examples involve taking lives. Is it ok that they "only killed one person" yet when the death toll climbs its not? Whether it be one victim or 6 million victims your supporting them and their actions whether you realize it or not. No, I wouldn't write to Hitler or someone committing genocide. No, I would not chose to write to another dr-inmate again. But I do not agree with murder as well. Why is it so hard to understand this? I am a therapist. I work with abused children AND talk with abusive fathers. Hard? Yes. Difficult? Absolutely. But I do believe that people can change and feel remorse about what they did. Do you believe that? So your saying that it is easier to talk to someone who kills one person but if it was 6 million then you wouldn't bother? What I am trying to understand is why is it ok to look past one life taken and not 6 million. Murder is murder is murder no matter the number of victims. If you make an exception to one you make an exception to all. Its kind of hypocritcal don't you think? You say you don't agree with murder, yet isn't writing to a murderer supporting him or her? Helping them through the "tough times" in jail or on DR? Providing company and what not? By continuing to write to him do you not accept what he has done? To be frank if you did not accept it-you would have stopped writing. Therefore using my deductive reasoning: if you accept a murderer and the root word for murderer is murder then... you accept murder. or tolerate it. I don't think murderers are capable of remorse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 20:53:44 GMT -6
The oh so remorseful DR inmate you write is making no excuses. Let's see. Voices in his head. Bad childhood. Alcohol. Drugs. Is he going to play the tard card, too? This POS is nothing but excuses and you are here to help to spread them. You are a therapist? Are you really a licensed therapist or are you just someone that got the title from that little organization that you work with? I usually don't share things from a PM but remember I said I didn't trust you and I didn't like you. I have never and I never will PM you. Well, you told me that you counsel both MVSs and families of DR inmate and the families of POS that have been executed. How can you do that in your country? There is no DP there. You are counseling people here and I doubt that you are a licensed therapist in the US, which means you are trained by a forgiving radical anti group. IOW, you have come to brainwash, guilt us, tell us that we are hater filled. Well, so what. I AM HATE FILLED. I don't want to change. I don't want to give up my anger. I don't want to be offered fake smiles, fake sympathy, fake caring. I know who I am and I have no guilt over it. You want an opportunity to get to know me, more like an opportunity to try to change my mind with whatever techniques you are trained to use. That is called brainwashing. I am a licensed therapist. I did not mention the things you are writing now!!! I wrote in a PM to you (and I copy this): "I know victims and their family members as well, not in the U.S.A. but here, in The Netherlands. It's my work to help them." That's it! That's all! Please remain hate filled. YOU keep on posting to me. I just try to answer politely. No PM's anymore? No PM's. No reply's? Fine. Be hate filled as much as you like. Greggsmom is full of so much love you couldn't imagine it. She is one of the best friends in the world. But she knows who not to waste her time on too. She has you pegged. And if your murderer friend that you have shared your life with for many, many years was really remorseful, s/he would say yes I did it - stop the appeals, stop the excuses - I did it and I deserve this punishment . That might be true remorse. Won't believe anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 21:06:18 GMT -6
Alright you guys between Wonderwoman, JBS, Stormy and the many others here. I have tears in my eyes.
I have met so many great people here and I hope I have let you all know how much you mean to me.
Thanks for being my friends.
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