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Post by forgesfire on Nov 13, 2008 17:34:35 GMT -6
Hi, you may not recognize my name because I am new to the forum. This thread indicates to name all the inmates with current execution dates that have the option of choosing a method other than lethal injection (for example, all inmates from Virginia, Florida, Alabama, and South Carolina would be listed because they are eligible for electrocution.) Anyone with any info on what the condemned has chosen post it on this board.
Current inmates with choices:
Paul Warner Powell - VA - Electrocution (CHOSE THE CHAIR!) First guy since this thread was made to choose chair!
EDIT: I have word that a judge has asked that Troy Kell one of only three inmates that selected firing squad prior to its removal of an option, be given an execution date. Due to Utah state law it must be within 30 and 60 days from when the date is set.
Inmates on death row who have indicated they will choose an alternative method:
Gary Cone - Tennessee - has said that he will choose Electrocution. As far as I can tell he is out of appeals. More info would be appreciated.
Troy Kell - Utah - Already chosen Firing Squad
Ronald Lafferty - Utah - Already chosen Firing Squad
Ralph Menzies - Utah - Already chosen Firing Squad
Possibly Lam Luong in Alabama choosing Electric Chair
I started this list after I found out Gary Cone said would choose Electrocution - I would very much appreciate if anyone else knows of the method by which certain inmates wish to be executed (Especially regarding the Gas Chamber, and Hanging.)
States authorizing an outright choice:
California - Choice of lethal gas or injection South Carolina - Choice of electrocution or injection
Arizona - Choice of gas if sentenced prior to 11/15/92, all sentenced after die by injection
Florida - Choice of electrocution or injection (Note: since injection was introduced as an alternate to the electric chair, all inmates have selected injection)
Utah - Allows for firing squad for three inmates who selected it prior to its removal as an option, all others die by injection
Kentucky - allows electrocution for those sentenced prior to March 31, 1998. Those sentenced after die by injection
Tennessee - Allows electrocution for those sentenced before January 1, 1999. Those sentenced after suffer injection
Virginia - Allows choice of electrocution or lethal injection
Washington - Allows for choice of hanging or lethal injection. LI is default.
Alabama - Allows choice between electrocution and injection. After the addition of LI as an option on July 1, 2002 all inmates were given 30 days to choose electrocution as their method of execution. None did and all inmates sentenced prior to 2002 will die by injection. However inmates sentenced after that date can still choose to be electrocuted. Lam Luong stated "I am not afraid of the electric chair" indicating he may choose this as he was sentenced to death on April 30th.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2008 18:45:06 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington
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Post by draco on Nov 14, 2008 5:05:55 GMT -6
Nonsense! Nothing wrong with it.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Nov 14, 2008 8:59:45 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington Do you have a link? I can't find anything about his choice.
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Post by ltdc on Nov 14, 2008 11:30:02 GMT -6
Nonsense! Nothing wrong with it. ditto
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Post by wrench on Nov 14, 2008 14:45:56 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington Do you have a link? I can't find anything about his choice. i can't find anything about the method. i believe he should have 15 days to chose prior to the scheduled date. we should learn of the choice by nov. 18th.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Nov 14, 2008 14:50:34 GMT -6
hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington I think hanging is pretty sweet. I spent about an hour last night watching youtube videos of hangings in the Middle East. The neck snaps and it's all over with. Probably on of the best methods for mass public executions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2008 15:09:46 GMT -6
I think hanging is pretty sweet. I spent about an hour last night watching youtube videos of hangings in the Middle East. The neck snaps and it's all over with. Probably on of the best methods for mass public executions. Just the other day, I was doing research on Canadian hangmen. I came across a story about John Radclive, who had developed a new method of hanging. "John Radclive persuaded several sheriffs in Ontario and Quebec to let him use an alternative method in which the condemned person was jerked into the air. A gallows of this type was used for the execution of Robert Neil at Toronto’s Don Jail on February 29, 1888: The old plan of a “drop” was discarded for a more merciful machine, by which the prisoner is jerked up from a platform on the ground level by a weight of 280 lbs, which is suspended by an independent rope pending the execution … At the words ‘Forgive us our trespasses,’ the executioner drove his chisel against the light rope that held the ponderous iron at the other end of the noose, and in an instant the heavy weight fell with a thud, and the pinioned body was jerked into the air and hung dangling between the rough posts of the scaffold. The Globe did not explain why this arrangement was seen as more merciful." Ron
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Post by forgesfire on Nov 14, 2008 15:21:59 GMT -6
Thanks for the posts, as soon as you get info on an inmates choice post it.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Nov 14, 2008 15:25:50 GMT -6
Thanks for the posts, as soon as you get info on an inmates choice post it. If we ever do score another hanging in the USA, this board is gonna light-up like X-mas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2008 16:51:15 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington Hanging is not horrible for the inmate if it is done correctly. In fact it renders then dead faster then lethal injection.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Nov 14, 2008 18:12:19 GMT -6
I think hanging is pretty sweet. I spent about an hour last night watching youtube videos of hangings in the Middle East. The neck snaps and it's all over with. Probably on of the best methods for mass public executions. Just the other day, I was doing research on Canadian hangmen. I came across a story about John Radclive, who had developed a new method of hanging. "John Radclive persuaded several sheriffs in Ontario and Quebec to let him use an alternative method in which the condemned person was jerked into the air. A gallows of this type was used for the execution of Robert Neil at Toronto’s Don Jail on February 29, 1888: The old plan of a “drop” was discarded for a more merciful machine, by which the prisoner is jerked up from a platform on the ground level by a weight of 280 lbs, which is suspended by an independent rope pending the execution … At the words ‘Forgive us our trespasses,’ the executioner drove his chisel against the light rope that held the ponderous iron at the other end of the noose, and in an instant the heavy weight fell with a thud, and the pinioned body was jerked into the air and hung dangling between the rough posts of the scaffold. The Globe did not explain why this arrangement was seen as more merciful." Ron We had something similar here in Connecticut called the 'Upright Jerker.' It was used 55 times from 1894 to 1936 and was quite popular during the governorship of Simeon E. Baldwin, the Connecticut governor who advocated that castration should be reinstituted as a punishment for rape. Gotta love that man! ;D
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Post by Woody on Nov 15, 2008 4:55:03 GMT -6
the governorship of Simeon E. Baldwin, the Connecticut governor who advocated that castration should be reinstituted as a punishment for rape. Gotta love that man! ;D Or chop off hands for theft.
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Post by DeadElvis on Nov 15, 2008 11:32:28 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington Hanging is not horrible for the inmate if it is done correctly. In fact it renders then dead faster then lethal injection. I agree. The same argument could be made for the electric chair. In fact, the EC has even less of a chance of screwups except for potential unsightly damage to the body. Even in the Nuremburg war criminal executions, at least 2 of the condemned didn't have their necks broken by the drop.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Nov 15, 2008 13:11:03 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington Hanging breaks the inmate's neck and is the fastest method of execution in this country! After all, justice says hang 'em and HANG 'EM HIGH!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 18:40:50 GMT -6
I think lethal injection is designed to make the execution go easier on those who are watching. Problems occur in hanging from human error. Though I doubt those problems that occurred in relation to the nuremburg hangings were accidental. It appears that the executioner had setup the exeution to cause additional suffering Hanging is not horrible for the inmate if it is done correctly. In fact it renders then dead faster then lethal injection. I agree. The same argument could be made for the electric chair. In fact, the EC has even less of a chance of screwups except for potential unsightly damage to the body. Even in the Nuremburg war criminal executions, at least 2 of the condemned didn't have their necks broken by the drop.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Nov 16, 2008 15:17:50 GMT -6
the governorship of Simeon E. Baldwin, the Connecticut governor who advocated that castration should be reinstituted as a punishment for rape. Gotta love that man! ;D Or chop off hands for theft. So rape equals theft to you?
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Post by ichy on Nov 16, 2008 18:45:32 GMT -6
Just the other day, I was doing research on Canadian hangmen. I came across a story about John Radclive, who had developed a new method of hanging. "John Radclive persuaded several sheriffs in Ontario and Quebec to let him use an alternative method in which the condemned person was jerked into the air. A gallows of this type was used for the execution of Robert Neil at Toronto’s Don Jail on February 29, 1888: The old plan of a “drop” was discarded for a more merciful machine, by which the prisoner is jerked up from a platform on the ground level by a weight of 280 lbs, which is suspended by an independent rope pending the execution … At the words ‘Forgive us our trespasses,’ the executioner drove his chisel against the light rope that held the ponderous iron at the other end of the noose, and in an instant the heavy weight fell with a thud, and the pinioned body was jerked into the air and hung dangling between the rough posts of the scaffold. The Globe did not explain why this arrangement was seen as more merciful." Ron We had something similar here in Connecticut called the 'Upright Jerker.' It was used 55 times from 1894 to 1936 and was quite popular during the governorship of Simeon E. Baldwin, the Connecticut governor who advocated that castration should be reinstituted as a punishment for rape. Gotta love that man! ;D I think the "Upright Jerker" would be a very appropriate way to punish rapists...
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Post by mst3k4evur on Nov 16, 2008 20:17:26 GMT -6
We had something similar here in Connecticut called the 'Upright Jerker.' It was used 55 times from 1894 to 1936 and was quite popular during the governorship of Simeon E. Baldwin, the Connecticut governor who advocated that castration should be reinstituted as a punishment for rape. Gotta love that man! ;D I think the "Upright Jerker" would be a very appropriate way to punish rapists... Just make the noose a little smaller and position it a little further south!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 23:27:56 GMT -6
hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington I think hanging is pretty sweet. I spent about an hour last night watching youtube videos of hangings in the Middle East. The neck snaps and it's all over with. Probably on of the best methods for mass public executions. :DI can just imagine you,with your bud in hand to :Dworh.. thats was a mad one -splat.. geeze he's still twitching,,
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Post by Woody on Nov 17, 2008 2:03:25 GMT -6
I think hanging is pretty sweet. I spent about an hour last night watching youtube videos of hangings in the Middle East. The neck snaps and it's all over with. Probably on of the best methods for mass public executions. :DI can just imagine you,with your bud in hand to :Dworh.. thats was a mad one -splat.. geeze he's still twitching,, His bud in one hand, his old buddy in the other
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 3:55:45 GMT -6
:DI can just imagine you,with your bud in hand to :Dworh.. thats was a mad one -splat.. geeze he's still twitching,, His bud in one hand, his old buddy in the other Yeah how did you know...johnny walker was in the other hand
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 8:04:52 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington Nah, if properly done (the longdrop method) hanging is perfectly fine. If the dp is brought back in Canada (one can dream) hanging would be the method.
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Post by Woody on Nov 22, 2008 2:24:18 GMT -6
If the dp is brought back in Canada (one can dream) hanging would be the method.
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Post by me1 on Nov 22, 2008 3:16:02 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington It's supposed to be horrible. Whats the damn point otherwise? Great thread by the way new guy ( sorry i forgot your screen name lol ). Anyway why did you write electrocution for the florida and tenesee inmates? There default is now LI.
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Post by me1 on Nov 22, 2008 3:21:25 GMT -6
I think lethal injection is designed to make the execution go easier on those who are watching. Problems occur in hanging from human error. Though I doubt those problems that occurred in relation to the nuremburg hangings were accidental. It appears that the executioner had setup the exeution to cause additional suffering I agree. The same argument could be made for the electric chair. In fact, the EC has even less of a chance of screwups except for potential unsightly damage to the body. Even in the Nuremburg war criminal executions, at least 2 of the condemned didn't have their necks broken by the drop. I never understand this statement about using LI to make it easier for witnesses. Maybe for the family of the condemned but if someone murdered my family i'd want to enjoy the fireworks display that goes with old sparky.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Nov 22, 2008 9:15:52 GMT -6
I think stenson has chosen hanging but the other three will be executed with lethal injection.. hanging is horrible, they should rewrite the law there in washington It's supposed to be horrible. Whats the damn point otherwise? Great thread by the way new guy ( sorry i forgot your screen name lol ). Anyway why did you write electrocution for the florida and tenesee inmates? There default is now LI. They have the chair as an option, and he hopes they will choose.
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Post by me1 on Nov 22, 2008 9:22:57 GMT -6
I get you. Unless the inmate has murdered someone close to himself it's very unlikely he will choose the chair ( unless he has a facination with electricity ).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 16:09:31 GMT -6
I think lethal injection is designed to make the execution go easier on those who are watching. Problems occur in hanging from human error. Though I doubt those problems that occurred in relation to the nuremburg hangings were accidental. It appears that the executioner had setup the exeution to cause additional suffering I tend to agree with you here. From what I have read on the subject, Master Sergeant Woods was very experienced (one source says 337 hangings prior to Nuremberg.) I doubt that the Army would have continued to use him for so long if there had been problems. So the question is: Were his screwups at Nuremberg due to being overly rushed? Nervousness? Or did he do it on purpose to make them suffer, and if so, was it his own idea or was he ordered to? Apparently, the Army removed him from the hanging business immediately following the 10 executions in 1946 at Nuremberg. Incidentally, Wikipedia lists Woods being killed in 1950 while working on an electric chair at Eniwetok Atoll in the Pacific. There is no source listed for that. All these years reading about Nuremberg, all I've seen mentioned about Woods' death was that he was accidentally electrocuted while working on high voltage wiring on Eniwetok. I suspect this was not an electric chair mishap (why would there be a chair there?), but instead had something to do with the construction on Eniwetok due to the very busy ongoing US nuclear test program there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 16:22:03 GMT -6
Here is an interesting document. The date on it is subsequent to the moratorium placed on executions in California, so it is current. www.cdcr.ca.gov/News/docs/RevisedProtocol.pdfVery curious, indeed! In order for lethal gas to be used in this day and age, that ancient gas chamber must be meticulously maintained, especially the rubber seals around the windows and doors. Are they doing that? Are they practicing the procedures? They are complicated, and if screwed up (i.e. post execution cleaning mishap) people will die. See paragraph V.A.1.c.: "If the inmate elects to have lethal gas as the method of execution, refer to San Quentin Operational Procedure No. 769 for appropriate procedures." See Attachment 3 "NOTIFICATION OF EXECUTION DATE AND CHOICE OF EXECUTION METHOD": "It was explained to me that I have an execution date of ________ and that I may choose either lethal gas or lethal injection as the method of execution. I understand that I have ten days from the date of the service of the warrant, or until __________ to make this choice in writing to the Warden. I also understand that if I do not make a choice, lethal injection will be the method of execution." See Attachment 4 "CHOICE OF EXECUTION METHOD": This is to notify the Warden that my choice is ________ (either lethal gas or lethal injection)."
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