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Post by sonjapaige on Jan 26, 2008 11:09:32 GMT -6
I am doing a position paper for school and my question is can death row inmates really be rehabilitated?
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Post by wrench on Jan 26, 2008 15:44:50 GMT -6
sure, after they're executed. then they've paid their debt to society.
can they find the lord? sure. but they still owe their debt.
i think you'll find the people on death row committed really horrible acts. beyond making a mistake.
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Post by Californian on Jan 26, 2008 22:54:34 GMT -6
I am doing a position paper for school and my question is can death row inmates really be rehabilitated? Search the web for Jack Henry Abbott or Kenneth McDuff and get back to us. |
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Post by trogdor on Feb 3, 2008 22:57:53 GMT -6
sure, after they're executed. then they've paid their debt to society. can they find the lord? sure. but they still owe their debt. Exactly. The issue of rehabilitation is a moot point. |
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Post by ltdc on Feb 5, 2008 14:03:07 GMT -6
I am doing a position paper for school and my question is can death row inmates really be rehabilitated? sure they can. but it has to be done at the factory. that's why we have to send them back to the manufacturer (return shipping up to the manufacturer) |
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Post by Cayte on Mar 15, 2008 21:20:12 GMT -6
they can. everyone can change... including murders.
Counseling has helped those who aren't on DEATH ROW so i see no reason for it not being able to help those who are.
What matters is the amount of people out there who are willing to look beyond revenge and except that there are reasons and if we can get to the bottom of those reasons there is still HOPE.
Executing those who CAN change is not paying back a debt to society it is taking away the opportunity to do so in the future.
You cant pay anything back if you are decomposing. FACT OF LIFE.
You cant open your wallet when you are dead.
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Post by Lisa on Mar 15, 2008 22:08:39 GMT -6
Executing those who CAN change is not paying back a debt to society it is taking away the opportunity to do so in the future. You cant pay anything back if you are decomposing. FACT OF LIFE. You cant open your wallet when you are dead. Maybe you can tell us how a murderer pays society back for an innocent life he took.......even if he's got a huge wallet. |
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Post by Cayte on Mar 15, 2008 22:21:42 GMT -6
Likewise, tell us all how he can pay anyone when he is DEAD.
its is very hard to pay your debt to someone when you are alive, especially if you are a killer and therefore not to be trusted. it is impossible when you are dead. the only thing society can be given is revenge. revenge and a debt paid a very different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2008 22:40:19 GMT -6
Who is s/he to pay?
They are not here.
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Post by Cayte on Mar 15, 2008 23:26:00 GMT -6
a very good point. if there is no one to pay a debt to, then why must one be paid?
but of course, there is always the family and the friends and the community where the murder took place.
they can we better served by an alive man than a dead.
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Post by Lisa on Mar 16, 2008 0:07:38 GMT -6
a very good point. if there is no one to pay a debt to, then why must one be paid? but of course, there is always the family and the friends and the community where the murder took place. they can we better served by an alive man than a dead. I don't want him to serve me. Thanks anyway. |
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Post by Cayte on Mar 16, 2008 2:05:23 GMT -6
Why not? because he has killed someone?
just because some people are fussy for as to who serves them (remember that everyone has killed someTHING) does not mean that it is not possible for murders to serve.
after a person has been rehabilitated there is always more than one way to serve and it DOESN'T have to be the most VIOLENT.
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Post by Lisa on Mar 16, 2008 3:08:03 GMT -6
Why not? because he has killed someone? Well, yes, I have to say that thought would cross my mind.  Then there are those of us who are REAL fussy. I've killed flies and spiders and all kinds of bugs, but no people yet. Are you seriously comparing me to a murderer because I've killed insects? Dear God. I think I've seen it all now. With the way things stand now, you're correct. Most of them are released and go about serving for a little while, and then some of them kill again. I get a little upset when that happens. In fact, I don't just get upset with the murderer, I also get upset with people like you who think they should be released. Please tell me how anyone can know for certain that a cold blooded killer has been rehabilitated. So called experts with years of experience get that wrong all the time. I think it's wrong to gamble with innocent lives. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 16, 2008 7:02:34 GMT -6
they can. everyone can change... including murders. I don't care if a murderer changes. He'll always be a murderer. Counseling has helped those who aren't on DEATH ROW so i see no reason for it not being able to help those who are. There is no point in counseling murderers. I prefer to expunge them from the biosphere. What matters is the amount of people out there who are willing to look beyond revenge and except that there are reasons and if we can get to the bottom of those reasons there is still HOPE. No that doesn't matter. You make revenge sound like a bad thing. It's not. It gets the job done. Executing those who CAN change is not paying back a debt to society it is taking away the opportunity to do so in the future. A murderer cannot atone. Ever. Keeping it alive makes no sense. You cant pay anything back if you are decomposing. FACT OF LIFE. EXACTLY. Now you're getting it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 7:13:56 GMT -6
I am doing a position paper for school and my question is can death row inmates really be rehabilitated? Some of them probably could live law-abiding lives if they are released from prison. Many of them in fact had no prior criminal record before being convicted of the crime that put them on death row. However, just because they could be rehabilitated, does not mean we should give them that opportunity. Remember, these people did deliberately and malicously end another person's life in the worst of circumstances. We have a dead human for whom society must seek justice for. We also must tell those who wish to kill that a very unpleasant future awaits if they kill another person. One of the main points you should consider is the aims of the criminal justice system. Many people lose focus that the main aim of this system is retribution to the offender, yes and I mean make the offender suffer. We forget that in the increasingly liberal justice system. We have forgotten how to attribute blame and responsibility to the offender, and we are far too good in blaming, the parenting of the offender, the socio-economic circumstances in which the offender was raised. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 9:35:01 GMT -6
I think Cyclone has pretty much covered the answer.
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Post by Californian on Mar 16, 2008 10:19:31 GMT -6
Why not? because he has killed someone? just because some people are fussy for as to who serves them (remember that everyone has killed someTHING) does not mean that it is not possible for murders to serve. Honey, I'm sorry, but this assertion is frickin' hilarious!They're not waiters, they're murderers. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 10:50:12 GMT -6
Why not? because he has killed someone? try this on ... because he has killed someone YOU care about? Then ask 'why not'? Are you equating someONE with someTHING? ~ excuse me all over the place, but do you're in a profound state of whatanidiotitis. |
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Post by Cayte on Mar 16, 2008 21:04:20 GMT -6
I believe, without a doubt, that it is possible for anyone to be rehabilitated.
all they need is the right help and not someone whose mind is purely focused on revenge.
Remember: if they are rehabilitated and go out of jail there is no chance for them to kill again.
rehabilitating murders saves two lives. (that of the murderer and his possible future victims)
(P.S. i am connecting you with a murder if you kill an insect. its still killing just not as bad or (under the law) as wrong)
(P.P.S. you can serve someone without serving food. look in the dictionary - there is more than one definition)
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"try this on ... because he has killed someone YOU care about? Then ask 'why not'?"
I already have. You seem to assume that no one that i love has died.)
With love,
Cayte with a bad case of inafieldofidiotsitis
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 21:30:00 GMT -6
I believe, without a doubt, that it is possible for anyone to be rehabilitated. Believe all you want. Some folks here know differently. Can *some* of them be rehabilitated? Sure. You figuring out which ones they are? I have no need or want for revenge. I also don't want any murderers released from prison. Considering they're murderers, I don't see that as an unreasonable request. True. I don't believe they deserve ~ or should have ~ another chance once they choose to take second chances from other human beings. For those ones who we will release from prison ~ the vast majority ~ I have no problem with every effort (including rehabilitation) to prevent them murdering again. They still shouldn't be released IMNHO, and that, IMNHO, is where we should put our efforts and resources. Whatever. I assume you're a vegan who doesn't kill mosquitos. ;D Died, or been taken from this world at the hands of a MURDERER? |
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Post by Lisa on Mar 16, 2008 23:19:31 GMT -6
Remember: if they are rehabilitated and go out of jail there is no chance for them to kill again. True. You, however, need to remember that rehabilitation is not an exact science. It's guesswork. You still haven't told us how you would decipher with an exact certainty between a murderer who's been successfully rehabilitated and one who isn't. My advice to you if you want to be taken seriously is to please not mention this again. It makes you sound a little crazy. |
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Post by Cayte on Mar 16, 2008 23:58:37 GMT -6
Murdered
and you are right, i do seem insane writing that. sigh. it cant be helped i suppose.
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Post by Lisa on Mar 17, 2008 0:08:14 GMT -6
and you are right, i do seem insane writing that. sigh. it cant be helped i suppose. We all have our moments. At least yours was funny. I'll give you that. ;D |
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Post by Californian on Mar 17, 2008 8:29:51 GMT -6
I believe, without a doubt, that it is possible for anyone to be rehabilitated. " REhabilitated" assumes they have initially been "habilitated" . Most murderers have never been "habilitated" to begin with. Therein lies the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 13:33:16 GMT -6
How can you rehabilitate someone who thrives on preying on people to get their kicks?
How can you change a Randy Kraft? How can you change a Richard Ramirez? How can you change a Jeff Dahmer? How can you change a Ted Bundy?
There are just a very small example of men who lived to kill others; hey, what about Pliers Bittaker?
Please explain how you will rehabilitate someone who doesn't want to change as their whole being is tuned to being a predator.
There are some in each state who strictly by their crimes scream out they cannot be reahabilitated; I think a very very small portion of dr inmates might have a chance at rehab but the numbers would be miniscule and like someone stated, can we take the chance of findout out if they are or aren't?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2008 1:18:47 GMT -6
I believe anyone fool a parole board, without and without a doubt I believe any psychopath can pretend to be a nice honest member of the community
Right Help,
WTF?
How would you help them?
Tell them murder is not a very nice thing to do -
they already know that one
pay money to send them to school -Just what we need, a bunch of murderers with a college degree
Tell them they are a bunch of nice people
Great they will start thinking it is ok to behave like they do
Rubbish, you can't tell if someone is rehabilitated, they could be pretending
Why would you risk the possibility of a second murder victim
You cannot say the person who kills an insect is a murderer, because one of the pre-requisites in the definition of a murder, is that a person has had to have died
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Actually you will find most people on this board are not closely linked to someone who was murdered. I am judging your opinion on merit, and you have no idea about the worst of human nature that is on display in these killers on death row. Virtually all members of death row have a long history of anti-social behaviour well before they committed the crime that saw them sentenced to death. Most of these murderer have had many chances of rehabilitation before they committed murde
With love,
Cayte with a bad case of inafieldofidiotsitis[/quote]
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Post by Cayte on Mar 20, 2008 4:18:53 GMT -6
Cant tell IF someone is rehabilitated? yes you are right, you cant, not always anyway. but that is not what i am saying. i am saying that if someone is TRULY rehabilitated then they will not kill again. there is no risking a possible 2nd murder if the person HAS been rehabilitated. besides... wouldn't they still be in jail? Virtually all... most... many? what about the few who can? do they die when they could be helped? And you would be surprised about how much i know about the worst of human nature. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2008 7:23:23 GMT -6
You need to remember there are other interests to be served in the justice system.
1. Like what about the obligation to the murder victim to ensure that their death is avenged. I am not talking about the family of the murder victim, I am talking about the dead person, they didn't deserve to die.
2. You assume that we should be in the business of helping murderers, but you have never justified why should we be helping murderers.
3. What about the deterrent aspect? We should be subjecting them to harsh problems, where they only get the minimal human rights and no opportunity to make themselves a better human being.
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