Death Penalty Debate

[Pro Debate Arguments]

Im doing a debate on pro death penalty, i am the last speaker and dont know what to write help!

[cynthiak]

You tell them its the law. Some may not think its a good law and morally, I guess it isnt. BUT ITS THE LAW. Dont wanna die, dont break the law. its the same with all the others. If someone was caught breaking into a house, they have to serve the time for burglary. Haven't heard of someone arguing about it. Get caught killing someone, serve the time or take the DP as your punishment. All it takes is one moment to stop and think. No, you shouldnt even have to think, you just DONT KILL and you dont have to worry about getting the DP.

[Felix2]

you could try praying? LOL

[Leah Sticka]

My opinion is if your'e willing to take another life of of this earth then you shouldnt live or deserve the right to live because you took the life of someone else even though its severe it the Law and Its a good one Because most people that have to do time for murder spend less time in the big house than burglers and SORRY!I can't let that slide it much to important of an issue to let slide the death penalty is for serious crimanals who commit serious crimes

[Ashley]

Well i think if you do the crime then you do the time. Because if you a willing to take someones life then your should be taken from you.

[myamber20]

If you have no empathy or consciene for the poor helpless victim why should anyone have or say that the murderer has a right to live. 1st degree muder = death penalty

[Deleted]

Pro said:

Im doing a debate on pro death penalty, i am the last speaker and dont know what to write help!

If you don't know what to write, you are probably on the wrong side.

[anna_marek]

Pro said:

Im doing a debate on pro death penalty, i am the last speaker and dont know what to write help!

Here's a helpful link!
forums.hollandsentinel.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000016;p=2

[rp Missouri]

You should decide which side you are taking first of all. You could discuss the cost related topic. Morals, or even justice being served for the victims. is execution reliable and practical? Is it effective deterrent for heinous crimes?

[Deleted]

Pro said:

Im doing a debate on pro death penalty, i am the last speaker and dont know what to write help!

You are doing a debate, but you do not mention specifically the details on what you have been asked for...

What I understand about debates is that you would be a part of a team of 3 speakers and if you are the last speaker you job is basically to sum up what your two other team mates.

From what I understand is you need to argue about capital argument from a supporting position so here are some points...

1.The justice argument - many proponents of the dp argue for the dp simply becuase those convicted of murder do deserve to be executed etc etc

2. Incapacitation - executing a murderer absolutely means they can never murder anyone esle

3. Deterrence - such a punishment sends a message to society, so it should put others of from committing a crime

IF you are debating as part of a team, I would suggest that you and your team members get together and organise a comprehensive argument

[Deneshia Cooper]

I think that if you take someone life then you don't deserve to live. Some people don't think of what kind of pain and hurt that they are causing that persons family.The death penalty is good and i think that it should be more effective. I think that it should be more effective because too many criminals are getting away with things that they should be put down for.

[r]

i believe to write on something thats pro death penalty then you should study the people that are against it and wiegh out both sides and find your own opinion.

[Deleted]

Why not get pics of victims with their birthday and their murder day? A pic is worth a thousand words. Basically leave an impact on the lives lost to murderers, make victims the focus. There is always a pic that looks like someone they know, Have a slide show and play a song like Skid Row's I will remember you playing. Powerful and you put focus on why the DP is a necessity (the victims).

[Chris]

i dont belive that people should be put to death if they kill somebody because if that person is going to kill someone dont you think he has already thought of the consiquences? obviously once he kills somebody he doesnt care if he dies or cares for the fact that he took someones life. the best way to punish them is prison for life. people dont seem to think that prison is not fun at all. it is hell. why send the person to hell for all eternity when we havent given him his hell up here. so forever in jail, and no bail. that should be the punishment.

[jennaleigh27]

Well, I'm an anti, but a controversial one it seems since a fellow anti labled me as a pro 'in sheeps clothing' - But here's my reason for being against the death penalty: The thought of the possibility of an innocent man being killed is heartbreaking. Second, God gave us life and only He should take it away and three, (the most controversial among anti's) What gives the convict the right to take the easy way out by death? They should sit their lasting days in total seclusion and confinement after having lost all of their dignity as the aftermath of many years of violation of privacy.

[josephdphillips]

jennaleigh27 said:

Well, I'm an anti, but a controversial one it seems since a fellow anti labled me as a pro 'in sheeps clothing' - But here's my reason for being against the death penalty: The thought of the possibility of an innocent man being killed is heartbreaking. Second, God gave us life and only He should take it away and three, (the most controversial among anti's) What gives the convict the right to take the easy way out by death? They should sit their lasting days in total seclusion and confinement after having lost all of their dignity as the aftermath of many years of violation of privacy.

Your argument against capital punishment is about the best I've seen so far.

[Deleted]

The absolute most serious crime a person can commit is MURDER.

The absolute most severe punishment is death.



The WORST crime HAS GOT to be punished with the WORST punishment.

(It's called making the punishment fit the crime)

[jennaleigh27]

Hi mamabear - 100% agreed that murder is the most serious of crimes. Even though I don't support death as punishment, I don't agree that it's the most severe punishment. Sometimes the convicted actually want to be put to death simply because they don't want to spend their life in prison. Then there's some that are terrified of death. So, I guess it would depend on the person as to if it was the most severe or not. Either way, I completely respect your opinion and I'm sure you have good reason for the way you view the issue. I don't know your situation, but if you're a family member of a victim then my heart truly goes out to you. I also admit that while I may be an anti right now, I don't know what my view would be if I were family of a victim. I think that's something no one knows or possibly feels unless they've been in that situation.

[GlennF]

greggsmom said:

Why not get pics of victims with their birthday and their murder day? A pic is worth a thousand words. Basically leave an impact on the lives lost to murderers, make victims the focus. There is always a pic that looks like someone they know, Have a slide show and play a song like Skid Row's I will remember you playing. Powerful and you put focus on why the DP is a necessity (the victims).

A very good point. Antis dread this sort of argument. It brings to the point the horror of murder when you put a face to it, it is little wonder why they are against publicising pictures of victims and against impact statements in the penalty phase of capital trials.

[jennaleigh27]

Ok, I know I'm posting this in the wrong spot, but since my membership is still pending I'm limited as to where I can post. My apologies, but I had to respond to this.

This is quoted from Dennis:

This is what I think ( little update ):

Killers with 1 victim for release:

1 ) minimum of 10 years in prison
2 ) show remorse
3 ) apologize to the victims family
4 ) must carry an electronc tracking system for first 5 years of release
5 ) Had shown good behavior in prison

sounds stupid ?? Well ,there're countires that use this system and that are demogratic countries


Killers with 2-4 casualties for release:

1 ) Regret for what they've done
2 ) Apologize to the family
3 ) Be around 80 yo for release
4 ) Promises not to kill anyone anymore and that must be determined by pshychologists

Killers with 5-20 victims = > LWOP

Killers wityh 20+ victims = > LWOP or Death Penalty

Death penalty if :

1 ) killed over 20+ people
2 ) and shows no regret at all

if the inmate regrets and apoligizes on national tv for it's victims than LWOP

so, I'm actually not a real anti.
Anti's would never support the DP and I do in some cases - End quote by Dennis.
_______________________________________________________________________

With respect to you Dennis, I'm an anti, but that is by far one of the most absurd posts I have ever read by an anti, even an unsure anti.



First of all, anyone can 'show' remorse - especially a psychopath. Two, apologizing to family? Even with the most prideful, when their life is at stake they tend to swallow easily. Three, Electronic tracking system? If he killed once he obviously has no regard to a human life, much less give two sh*ts about the law - Not only would you be allowing him to kill another victim in his reach, but also allowing a chance that he cuts the band off, goes on the run and murders more people. Good behavior? What I have noticed out of criminals, namely psychopaths, are cowards. It seems the more serious the crime they commit, the more cowardly they actually are when faced without defense, such as guns, knives, etc. - so sure they have good behavior. They know that there IS someone bigger than them there.

So, I find your proposal not only insulting to victims, but to society as well.

[jennaleigh27]

As pro's I'd like to know what you guys think about plea agreements if you don't mind sharing. Many capital punishment worthy (under the law) escape DR by plea agreements.

Take Charles Cullen for example. nurse serial killer. His number of victims could be in the 40's. As part of a plea agreement, he agreed to help identify additional victims. He was sentenced to 11 life sentences, which wouldn't make him eligible for parole until he has served 397 years.

I'm just curious what you guys think about plea agreements to avoid the death penalty.

[Snowy]

jennaleigh27 said:

As pro's I'd like to know what you guys think about plea agreements if you don't mind sharing. Many capital punishment worthy (under the law) escape DR by plea agreements.

Take Charles Cullen for example. nurse serial killer. His number of victims could be in the 40's. As part of a plea agreement, he agreed to help identify additional victims. He was sentenced to 11 life sentences, which wouldn't make him eligible for parole until he has served 397 years.

I'm just curious what you guys think about plea agreements to avoid the death penalty.

I'm trying not to do a lot of debating here because I need to take some time off. I will give you my opinion of the B.T.K. killer's plea agreement. He received 175 years so he'll never get out. But considering he murdered at least 10 people that is only about 17.5 years per person. So when you look at it in that sense it's really not that much. If her had murder only one person in a brutal way he may have been eligible for parole. I hope you understand what I mean.

[californian]

Snowy said:

jennaleigh27 said:

As pro's I'd like to know what you guys think about plea agreements if you don't mind sharing. Many capital punishment worthy (under the law) escape DR by plea agreements.

Take Charles Cullen for example. nurse serial killer. His number of victims could be in the 40's. As part of a plea agreement, he agreed to help identify additional victims. He was sentenced to 11 life sentences, which wouldn't make him eligible for parole until he has served 397 years.

I'm just curious what you guys think about plea agreements to avoid the death penalty.

I'm trying not to do a lot of debating here because I need to take some time off. I will give you my opinion of the B.T.K. killer's plea agreement. He received 175 years so he'll never get out. But considering he murdered at least 10 people that is only about 17.5 years per person. So when you look at it in that sense it's really not that much. If her had murder only one person in a brutal way he may have been eligible for parole. I hope you understand what I mean.

I believe the BTK killer wasn't sentenced to death because Kansas didn't have the DP during the time he committed his crimes.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[jennaleigh27]

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I was just wondering what capital punishment supporters thought about it, because in a case where there's more than one victim involved I can see where it might cause conflict among the victims families. Like, one family member might be outraged that the killer is able to escape the DP by plea while other victims families may want to see him sit in prison for the rest of their life.

[Deleted]

jennaleigh27 said:

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I was just wondering what capital punishment supporters thought about it, because in a case where there's more than one victim involved I can see where it might cause conflict among the victims families. Like, one family member might be outraged that the killer is able to escape the DP by plea while other victims families may want to see him sit in prison for the rest of their life.

I don't know how that could be called a problem, since the DA/Prosecutor decides what charge and penalty to seek based on the facts of the crime and the evidence discovered. The victim(s) family(ies) do NOT get to decide what charge or punishment is sought. In states that have Victims Rights, the Victim(s) family(ies) only have the right to be notified of what the DA/Prosecutor is going to do.

[jennaleigh27]

Well, knowing that the DA and prosecutor decide on what penalty is best suited to the crime should also tell you that in almost all capital murder cases the dp is almost always sought, UNLESS there is either no DP in that state, or there is substantial benefits from a plea agreement.

[Snowy]

californian said:

Snowy said:

I'm trying not to do a lot of debating here because I need to take some time off. I will give you my opinion of the B.T.K. killer's plea agreement. He received 175 years so he'll never get out. But considering he murdered at least 10 people that is only about 17.5 years per person. So when you look at it in that sense it's really not that much. If her had murder only one person in a brutal way he may have been eligible for parole. I hope you understand what I mean.

I believe the BTK killer wasn't sentenced to death because Kansas didn't have the DP during the time he committed his crimes.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, I know he wasn't sentenced to death because Kansas doesn't have the dp. He was sentenced to 175 years in prison. That sounds like a lot until you average it out per person. There were 10 he was sentenced for. One hundred seventy fives years is only 17.5 years per person that he bound, tortured, and killed. Think of it in that sense.

[Snowy]

jennaleigh27 said:

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I was just wondering what capital punishment supporters thought about it, because in a case where there's more than one victim involved I can see where it might cause conflict among the victims families. Like, one family member might be outraged that the killer is able to escape the DP by plea while other victims families may want to see him sit in prison for the rest of their life.

I believe there should be the dp for every murderer. Murdering once is enough for me. There should be no second chances. In the case of serial killers the death sentence should be mandatory. Those people have proven they will murder and murder again. As much as I respect the family the law should supersede. Decisions like this should be based on more than family emotions. They should be based on the law and safety for society.

[happygrandmab]

californian said:

Snowy said:

I'm trying not to do a lot of debating here because I need to take some time off. I will give you my opinion of the B.T.K. killer's plea agreement. He received 175 years so he'll never get out. But considering he murdered at least 10 people that is only about 17.5 years per person. So when you look at it in that sense it's really not that much. If her had murder only one person in a brutal way he may have been eligible for parole. I hope you understand what I mean.

I believe the BTK killer wasn't sentenced to death because Kansas didn't have the DP during the time he committed his crimes.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

you are correct, californian

[jennaleigh27]

Snowy said:

jennaleigh27 said:

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I was just wondering what capital punishment supporters thought about it, because in a case where there's more than one victim involved I can see where it might cause conflict among the victims families. Like, one family member might be outraged that the killer is able to escape the DP by plea while other victims families may want to see him sit in prison for the rest of their life.

I believe there should be the dp for every murderer. Murdering once is enough for me. There should be no second chances. In the case of serial killers the death sentence should be mandatory. Those people have proven they will murder and murder again. As much as I respect the family the law should supersede. Decisions like this should be based on more than family emotions. They should be based on the law and safety for society.

I may not agree with the death penalty, but I totally agree with you about the one time being enough. It's too much, and lwop should be a certainty in any murder case in my opinion. Unless it's self-defense the taking of another life is not justifiable, ever. Not ten years, 20 years, 150 years. I feel the same way about rapists, especially child rapists. They should never be let into the free world again.