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Post by sally104 on May 9, 2005 1:17:56 GMT -6
You will find alot of people dont agree with you for very good reasons. You seem to think that capital punishment is some horrible evil. Suggestions for you * Go down the library borrow a book about the following Moors Murders, Thomas Hamilton ( of the Dunblance massacre). Harold Shipman. *Study the effect of homicide on the murder victim survivors *REMEMBER THIS: The reason why we want to execute someone is that they killed someone else in a horrific manner. hi im against the death penalty and im only 13 i got this of my site.my site is www.ecadpuk.cjb.netWhat Students Can Do! 1. Bring a speaker to your school/community - There are many activists, lawyers, former death row inmates and experts that are located in your state. Contact DPF and we will help you find a speaker. 2. Set up an information table -This is always quick and easy. Simply gather some information from DPF and set up a table at your school during lunch or a school assembly. 3. Get Petitions Signed - Get your peers and organization to sign local anti-death penalty petitions and moratorium petitions. Sign Here! 4. Host a death penalty debate on your campus/community - Find students and teachers on both sides of the issue and host a school debate. 5. Host a Teach-In/ Freestyle Battle/ Poetry Slam on your campus/community – These programs can be used to discuss different aspects of the death penalty. (I.e. race, innocence, juveniles, etc). 6. Show a Movie - There are several movies that highlight the death penalty debate. These movies include but are not limited to Dead Man Walking, The Green Mile, Redemption, and Return to Paradise. Most are available at any video store or call DPF and we will lend you a copy. 7. Contact your elected officials - Stand up and be heard! Contact your local elected officials and voice your opposition to the death penalty. 8. Get Resolutions and Legislation Passed - Encourage you local student government or organizations to pass an anti-death penalty resolution. Get a copy here! 9. Host a “Death Penalty Awareness Week” - Combine some or all of these programs into one week and host a "Death Penalty Awareness Week" on your campus or in your community. 10. Contact DPF to find out how we can help you! Call 415-243-0143. Student Internships We are looking for Student Interns for the Summer! If you are interested in the death penalty, would like to get experience working in a non-profit, learn new skills, and receive a letter of recommendation, please contact us for information on how to apply. Minimum time commitment is 4 hours/week for 2 months. Contact Stefanie at 415-243-0143 or stefanie@deathpenalty.org NOTE:watch the clips at this site www.deathpenalty.org/index.php?pid=StudentsWatch the Videos VIDEO 1 This clip features Glen McGinnis who was executed for a crime he committed when he was 17 years old. ("Juvenile Offenders in Their Own Words", CNN & Time, January 9, 2000) Watch the clip! VIDEO 2 Hear the stories of innocent men and women that were wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death. ("Burden of Innocence", PBS Frontline, 53 mins.) The Story can be watched in seven different segments. Watch the Clip! What Teachers Can Do -Use the Death Penalty Information Center's curriculum for educators in your classroom! Learn more! -Request materials for students from Death Penalty Focus. -Invite a guest speaker to address your class. Death Penalty Focus can help you find many excellent speakers. -Show a video. Some suggestions include: Dead Man Walking, The Life of David Gale, The Green Mile, Return to Paradise, Chicago -Ask your students to debate both sides of the issue. |
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Post by cynthiak on May 9, 2005 2:28:18 GMT -6
Question...why are you sooooo against it?
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Post by Aquarius on May 9, 2005 9:28:26 GMT -6
Well now, a 13 year old comes onto this board and shows more intelligence, respect and thought than any person here. and you wonder why he's AGAINST the death penalty? Yeah, you all really give him a reason to listen to you.
Keep up the good work ECADP. It's great to see kids like you willing to fight for something instead of out on the streets. I'm proud of you.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2005 11:19:42 GMT -6
well if they can give it they can take it... exactly why we have the death penalty! |
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Post by Tozzie on May 10, 2005 6:11:17 GMT -6
Well now, a 13 year old comes onto this board and shows more intelligence, respect and thought than any person here. and you wonder why he's AGAINST the death penalty? Yeah, you all really give him a reason to listen to you. Keep up the good work ECADP. It's great to see kids like you willing to fight for something instead of out on the streets. I'm proud of you. |
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Post by Aquarius on May 10, 2005 6:42:01 GMT -6
Well thats your opinion, I don't think a 13 year old has enough life experience to have an informed opinion about the death penalty. At 13 unless you have had violence touch your life personally you really don't know, when he is older and more mature his opinion might change. The fact that he is researching and getting involved shows a great deal of maturity and comments that he has received from this board sure is not helping your side of the cause. Instead of condeming him, why don't you intelligently talk to him and give him something to think about............. |
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Post by john - uk on May 10, 2005 12:12:44 GMT -6
Whether we agree with his views or not, I think it is encouraging that someone so young should take the trouble to research the subject and be brave enough to come to a site like this and express his opions so articulately.
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Post by The Bavarian on May 10, 2005 16:46:15 GMT -6
Hi!
Many people will not agree with you. But there are many people who will. I do agree with you. I live in Munich (Southern Germany - State of Bavaria) and there is no support for the death penalty. We even do not have life without parole. Our murder rate is much smaller than a tenth of the American one. We don't have violence on the streets. Munich itself is safe and clean. But we do not have capital punishment. We don't need it. And we don't want it. In 1996 the people of Bavaria voted for removing the death penalty from the state constitution. (The laws were invalid, because federal constitution forbids the dp). 80% voted angainst the death penalty. You're not alone! Just compare the crime rates in dp and non dp countries. Strange... The dp does not seem to be a deterrent.
From my point of view capital punishment is bad public policy.
Anyway, you seem to be well informed and I am really impressed that a 13-year-old is interested in such a topic. There should be more young people like you.
Servus,
The Bavarian
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Post by sally104 on May 10, 2005 21:11:09 GMT -6
I dont agree with you on this issue. mmmm you do show alot of passion for the subject. cant hold that against a 13 year old. hi im against the death penalty and im only 13 i got this of my site.my site is www.ecadpuk.cjb.netWhat Students Can Do! 1. Bring a speaker to your school/community - There are many activists, lawyers, former death row inmates and experts that are located in your state. Contact DPF and we will help you find a speaker. 2. Set up an information table -This is always quick and easy. Simply gather some information from DPF and set up a table at your school during lunch or a school assembly. 3. Get Petitions Signed - Get your peers and organization to sign local anti-death penalty petitions and moratorium petitions. Sign Here! 4. Host a death penalty debate on your campus/community - Find students and teachers on both sides of the issue and host a school debate. 5. Host a Teach-In/ Freestyle Battle/ Poetry Slam on your campus/community – These programs can be used to discuss different aspects of the death penalty. (I.e. race, innocence, juveniles, etc). 6. Show a Movie - There are several movies that highlight the death penalty debate. These movies include but are not limited to Dead Man Walking, The Green Mile, Redemption, and Return to Paradise. Most are available at any video store or call DPF and we will lend you a copy. 7. Contact your elected officials - Stand up and be heard! Contact your local elected officials and voice your opposition to the death penalty. 8. Get Resolutions and Legislation Passed - Encourage you local student government or organizations to pass an anti-death penalty resolution. Get a copy here! 9. Host a “Death Penalty Awareness Week” - Combine some or all of these programs into one week and host a "Death Penalty Awareness Week" on your campus or in your community. 10. Contact DPF to find out how we can help you! Call 415-243-0143. Student Internships We are looking for Student Interns for the Summer! If you are interested in the death penalty, would like to get experience working in a non-profit, learn new skills, and receive a letter of recommendation, please contact us for information on how to apply. Minimum time commitment is 4 hours/week for 2 months. Contact Stefanie at 415-243-0143 or stefanie@deathpenalty.org NOTE:watch the clips at this site www.deathpenalty.org/index.php?pid=StudentsWatch the Videos VIDEO 1 This clip features Glen McGinnis who was executed for a crime he committed when he was 17 years old. ("Juvenile Offenders in Their Own Words", CNN & Time, January 9, 2000) Watch the clip! VIDEO 2 Hear the stories of innocent men and women that were wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death. ("Burden of Innocence", PBS Frontline, 53 mins.) The Story can be watched in seven different segments. Watch the Clip! What Teachers Can Do -Use the Death Penalty Information Center's curriculum for educators in your classroom! Learn more! -Request materials for students from Death Penalty Focus. -Invite a guest speaker to address your class. Death Penalty Focus can help you find many excellent speakers. -Show a video. Some suggestions include: Dead Man Walking, The Life of David Gale, The Green Mile, Return to Paradise, Chicago -Ask your students to debate both sides of the issue. |
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Post by Dea on May 11, 2005 12:08:39 GMT -6
Whether we agree with his views or not, I think it is encouraging that someone so young should take the trouble to research the subject and be brave enough to come to a site like this and express his opions so articulately. What was articulate? Did I miss it? I saw a big cut and paste job, that's about it. And I agree, a 13 year old is a child without enough life experience to bother with. Don't they have children's forums? Just because the forum says for students, I would think older than 13 would be more relevent. |
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Post by Dea on May 11, 2005 12:10:09 GMT -6
hi im against the death penalty and im only 13 Oh, sorry. I did reread the post. This was the articulate part I suppose.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2005 15:52:13 GMT -6
While we are showing The Green Mile and Dead Man Walking, we can also show clips from April 19, 1995 from the OCB. When the TV news crews were down on the ground and actually showing people bleeding to death and people crying and yelling, we can show the audience what the people you worship and want to save did.
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Post by Felix2 on May 12, 2005 4:30:52 GMT -6
Rob, rob, rob,
Nobody worships them, and nobody wants to "save" them from punishment, just execution! Most anti's support LWOP in some circumstances so stop posting hysterical untruths please.
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Post by josephdphillips on May 13, 2005 12:42:42 GMT -6
The declaration of antis "supporting" life-imprisonment-without-parole as an alternative to capital punishment can not be regarded as sincere, since most of them believe even murderers can be redeemed. Once the death penalty is repealed, the antis will work to get LWOP repealed as well.
A living death is no better than an actual death, as the increasing frequency of death row-suicides would indicate. The real choice, as opposed to the false choice currently offered, is between the retributive response to murder, in the form of capital punishment, or punishing murderers the same as we do violent non-murdering offenders, if only a bit longer.
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Post by gr0vE on May 17, 2005 19:47:30 GMT -6
i'm from AUS and i'm glad we ditched the death penalty when we did. it's just stupid  |
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Post by Felix2 on May 19, 2005 3:08:50 GMT -6
I think this persons age is irrelevant (13). iF THIS PERSON WAS A 13 YEAR OLD PRO i BET MOST PRO'S WOULD CHALK THAT UP TO EARLY DEVELOPMENT.
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Post by SkyLoom on May 24, 2005 10:33:07 GMT -6
The declaration of antis "supporting" life-imprisonment-without-parole as an alternative to capital punishment can not be regarded as sincere, since most of them believe even murderers can be redeemed. Once the death penalty is repealed, the antis will work to get LWOP repealed as well.
That's about the same as the pro-gun folks saying that when the anti-gun folks get gun registration they will move to take away all guns. Too bad you don't deal with issues when they come up instead of hastening to a disaster. In many states there is no LWOP available in the first place, so let's get that possibility on the books first before you drive us all nuts speculating on how we're going to do away with it.
Certainly a murderer can redeem himself if you mean that he admits his wrong, tries to make restitution to the extent possible, and resolves to live a more responsible life in the future. Even in prison, it's possible to make some contributions, however limited.
The real choice, as opposed to the false choice currently offered, is between the retributive response to murder, in the form of capital punishment, or punishing murderers the same as we do violent non-murdering offenders, if only a bit longer.
Murder is a violent crime, only worse than most others. Now, if you want to go for capital punishment for Ken Lay, I might have a hard time making a case against that. How many folks are condemned to a living death because of him?
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Post by Breka on May 29, 2005 14:57:31 GMT -6
If you would have said you are 23, I would have said o,k. !
but for a thirteen year old - this is most unlikely !!
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 7, 2005 4:06:08 GMT -6
Certainly a murderer can redeem himself if you mean that he admits his wrong, tries to make restitution to the extent possible, and resolves to live a more responsible life in the future. That, of course, is impossible. You can't make restitution to a victim if he or she is dead. This is something people like you seem to have trouble with. You so easily dismiss the slain. I guess they're just necrotic tissue to you, like the unborn after being sucked from the womb. It doesn't matter if the murderer admits it's wrong. To whom is it going to make this admission? Is it going to visit the gravesite of its victim and say "Oops"? |
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 7, 2005 6:38:23 GMT -6
That, of course, is impossible. You can't make restitution to a victim if he or she is dead. This is something people like you seem to have trouble with. You so easily dismiss the slain. I guess they're just necrotic tissue to you, like the unborn after being sucked from the womb. It doesn't matter if the murderer admits it's wrong. To whom is it going to make this admission? Is it going to visit the gravesite of its victim and say "Oops"? you are blind! |
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 7, 2005 9:03:06 GMT -6
Quite the wordsmith today aren't you, Felix? Six whole words in two hours. We are making progress. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2005 15:05:01 GMT -6
That, of course, is impossible. You can't make restitution to a victim if he or she is dead. This is something people like you seem to have trouble with. You so easily dismiss the slain. I guess they're just necrotic tissue to you, like the unborn after being sucked from the womb. It doesn't matter if the murderer admits it's wrong. To whom is it going to make this admission? Is it going to visit the gravesite of its victim and say "Oops"? And most don't even try anyway. I know more than one MVS that has tried to arrange reconciliation meetings with the murderer through Victims Services, and the murderer has turned THEM down. The one of my daughter's murderers who accepted the plea bargain for a Life Sentence freely admitted his guilt at the Plea Hearing. When asked if he would like to say anything at the time, he declined. But that is okay, because every word of your post is exactly right --there is nothing they can do on this earth to compensate for murdering my daughter anyway -- it's just not possible. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 7, 2005 15:14:33 GMT -6
I know more than one MVS that has tried to arrange reconciliation meetings with the murderer through Victims Services, and the murderer has turned THEM down. That was a rude awakening for them, I bet. The one of my daughter's murderers who accepted the plea bargain for a Life Sentence freely admitted his guilt at the Plea Hearing. When asked if he would like to say anything at the time, he declined. But that is okay, because every word of your post is exactly right --there is nothing they can do on this earth to compensate for murdering my daughter anyway -- it's just not possible. When forced to choose between sentences, they plead guilty to get the reduced sentence. Is that a free admission of guilt? He may be saying "Yes, I did it," but could be thinking "Whatever, lady." The damage caused by a murderer is permanent. You'd have to go through hypnosis and destroy every photo of your daughter to even begin the process of "healing," if healing means you function as well as before. Somehow I think of you as preferring to remember your daughter, even if the memories also remind you of loss and cause you renewed grief. Otherwise, it's just not love, is it. I hold murderers responsible for this unique, irreparable damage to people. The damage is permanent. The punishment should be permanent as well. |
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Post by sally104 on Jul 17, 2005 1:58:24 GMT -6
i'm from AUS and i'm glad we ditched the death penalty when we did. it's just stupid I am from Australia too. I am sorry we ditched the death penalty. We could of gotten rid of the those like Ivan Milat. We have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on his accomodation each year because of his repeated escape attempts |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2005 18:27:23 GMT -6
Somehow I think of you as preferring to remember your daughter, even if the memories also remind you of loss and cause you renewed grief. Otherwise, it's just not love, is it. I had not seen this response from you until today, Joseph. Thank you so much for putting it this way. Those words express it perfectly. It's not like I can pretend she never existed. THAT would hurt me even more. Thank you for your understanding. The majority of people who have not lived it just don't get that.  |
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 17, 2005 18:38:02 GMT -6
Somehow I think of you as preferring to remember your daughter, even if the memories also remind you of loss and cause you renewed grief. Otherwise, it's just not love, is it. I had not seen this response from you until today, Joseph. Thank you so much for putting it this way. Those words express it perfectly. It's not like I can pretend she never existed. THAT would hurt me even more. Thank you for your understanding. The majority of people who have not lived it just don't get that. Oh, you're quite welcome, Janet. I'm glad I can help in a small way. |
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Post by Felix2 on Jul 19, 2005 4:04:54 GMT -6
Quite the wordsmith today aren't you, Felix? Six whole words in two hours. We are making progress. Quips like that are a much safer alternative for you than actually responding to points made. You are learning pretty well yourself Joseph boy! |
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Post by Carl on Jul 31, 2005 11:14:02 GMT -6
Question...why are you sooooo against it? probably because we cannot call this the land of the free if our government can decide wether we have the right to live or die. everyone has a right to live. no matter what. and plus, itd seem more wise to put a person in solitary confinement or something and let them rot in their for the rest of their lives |
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jul 31, 2005 13:24:24 GMT -6
Question...why are you sooooo against it? everyone has a right to live. no matter what. and plus, itd seem more wise to put a person in solitary confinement or something and let them rot in their for the rest of their lives But everyone has the right to freedom. No matter what. No? |
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Post by cynthiak on Jul 31, 2005 18:25:47 GMT -6
Well now, a 13 year old comes onto this board and shows more intelligence, respect and thought than any person here. and you wonder why he's AGAINST the death penalty? Yeah, you all really give him a reason to listen to you. Keep up the good work ECADP. It's great to see kids like you willing to fight for something instead of out on the streets. I'm proud of you. What I dont understand is what the heck happened to kids? When I was 13 I was more worried about being a kid. This is the same kid who at 30 is gonna ask himself what happened to his childhood. Children should be playing games and swimming and running, not worried about something like this. Dang kid...be a kid. |
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