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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 25, 2005 10:19:28 GMT -6
What are we doing to help victims, victim’s families/loved ones, friend’s relatives, and the community in general to prevent crime and preserve the Death Penalty? Sure, we come on this board, the anti's and pro's take a topic and beat it to death (pardon the pun) over and over. Why don't we form support chains? When some pedophile/murderer/rapist is eligible for parole, why are we wasting our energy bantering back and forth on this board instead of using it as a communications vehicle to help keep these humps in prison? The other boards do it, the CCADP does it....So when a parole board meets to determine is some mutt is going to be let out, instead of getting a few letters from family and friends, if they got say 10,000 letters they might just think "hey nobody wants this rodent out"...It's hard to ignore 10,000 letters, 10 or 20 isn't hard, but being inundated with sacks of mail would in fact be hard to ignore. We use the same amount of effort to mail a pre-printed letter as we do to post on this or any other board. I've seen TV shows where they determine parole based on what the person has done while in prison, plus one or two family members from both sides in the audience. The parole board has a slim folder with a few letters from the victim’s family, and that's it... Take a similar letter and send it to your elected officials, again, the power of 10,000 letters is hard to ignore. The elected officials think everyone of those letters is a VOTE, so he/she will make recommendations that this vermin not be released because they will lose votes. Let's get organized, let's stop wasting our time and efforts on people that are going to come back with the same lame excuses about saving a life, playing God etc. Let’s use the talents of some of the brilliant wordsmiths on this board to help us write effective letters. Let's use the power of sheer numbers to help someone else from being raped, murdered and in the worst case, a child being harmed....This board has had over a million and a half hits since 2003, let’s use that for something other than wasted bits flowing over the internet… LET'S DO SOMETHING TO HELP OUR KIDS and LOVED ONES!!!!
Suggestions? Committee’s ? Editors? Wordsmiths? Calendar Organizers?
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Post by Dea on Aug 25, 2005 10:26:51 GMT -6
Count me in. I think it's a great idea. I'd be willing to volunteer whatever is needed.
I've sent letters before to my State officials, but only when I get a request to do so. Otherwise I don't know about any issues or families that would need assistance. You're exactly right. We care enough to spend time here talking about the rights MVS's, we can do more.
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Post by Tony on Aug 25, 2005 10:37:54 GMT -6
I do all this already Benty. I belong to POMC (Parents of Murdered Children) and we assist new grieving families when it's their turn to join our "prestigious" club.
We also attend court hearings to assist these families with some of the legal BS defense attorneys use to help their clients. We do not represent these families as legal counsel, we act as a support group only.
I also occassionally receive electronic petitions from POMC National HQ protesting felons seeking parole and try to block paroles with the names I gather on some of the other boards.
Maybe Charlene can create a "Petition Site" where we can sign these petitions and forward them to the parole boards nationwide.
There is so much more that we do to help victims of crime and try to assist in every way we can.
Visit the POMC site and email Nancy Munch. She would be more than happy to answer your questions and see how you or anyone else on this board can make sure these animals stay in prisons.
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Post by Dea on Aug 25, 2005 10:43:23 GMT -6
Wow, Tony, thanks for the link. That's a great site. So much information.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 10:44:05 GMT -6
I think that is a wonderful idea Benty. I currently write letters to put in the file of my daughters killer, simply because I felt like you do. Like a HUGE amount of letters is more significant than a few. So......I have currently sent over 100, and will continue to write letters until I die. So, if I'm already gone when he comes up for parole, they will know how I feel about it, and have for a LONG time. I am more than willing to write letters for others!!! I'm not sure how helpful they are, but I know one thing for sure.....THEY CAN'T HURT!! Just let me know what the agenda is. Are we going to write on a specific convict of the week...sort of thing, or how do we want to organize this? I would prefer not to be 'in charge' of anything, but I will definiatly be a 'writer'!!! (just let me know who we are targeting at the time) Great idea Benty
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 11:00:33 GMT -6
There was a double murder and rape of the young female murder victim in the city I used to live in in the early 90's. The rapist/one who actually murdered is on death row. His cohort in the crime got a jail sentence, and was to be considered for parole year before last for the first time. This was a horrifying thought.
I helped to send out requests for letters to the Parole Board by e-mails, also petitions too. Petitions were put out for people to consider signing at many Victims of Crime events in the area.
Not long before the parole hearing, one of the ladies who handle that correspondence told the mother of the female victim that they did not just have a file of letters on that cohort's coming parole hearing, but he had his own file cabinet.
You can't tell me they didn't notice that. His parole was denied, and I would expect it would be sure to continue to be as long as we alive, who knew that young lady, who know what he helped that man do to her that day, and know her family.
I have just been participating in the ones I have been asked to. I would like to know how to find out about the ones that are coming up ourselves, too.
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 25, 2005 11:01:39 GMT -6
Mamma, when you need help, just post something and let's get started....Again, instead of your 100 letters can you imagine the response when they get 10,000? For example, I sat an thought about this again after i wrote it and did a little math. In my immediate family alone I have 14, extended family 123, add friends and supporters, the number is close to 400. These are people that if i asked to spend 37cents on a stamp would do so in a new york minute. Now that's just me, so if you take you, the people around you and lets just say 10 other survivor victims on this board that you are friendly with...you are talking about almost 1500 letters, and that's a drop in the bucket...See how the snowball effect would work? I'm going to the post office today because I need stamps, and I'm going to get a roll of 100 and make those stamps only for parole board/political letters...I'll call it my "STAMP OUT A MUTT" file...LEt's get busy...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 11:04:06 GMT -6
I do all this already Benty. I belong to POMC (Parents of Murdered Children) and we assist new grieving families when it's their turn to join our "prestigious" club. We also attend court hearings to assist these families with some of the legal BS defense attorneys use to help their clients. We do not represent these families as legal counsel, we act as a support group only. I also occassionally receive electronic petitions from POMC National HQ protesting felons seeking parole and try to block paroles with the names I gather on some of the other boards. Maybe Charlene can create a "Petition Site" where we can sign these petitions and forward them to the parole boards nationwide. There is so much more that we do to help victims of crime and try to assist in every way we can. Visit the POMC site and email Nancy Munch. She would be more than happy to answer your questions and see how you or anyone else on this board can make sure these animals stay in prisons. Tony, just a couple of months after my daughter was killed, we went to a POMC meeting. To be quite honest, I was as stressed if not MORE after the meeting than I was before we went. It is a very sad place to be. They were really of no help, just a huge room full of crying and desperate people. So many grieving families with such sad stories.....like a room full of people crying on each others shoulders. Heart-breaking. I have since then thought of creating a sort of POMC chapter of my own. One that is a bit more like you describe. Just to be a support system to help with the in's and out's of the trial process. By no means am I any sort of expert, but I wouldn't mind being a shoulder to lean on in those difficult times of termoil. I live in a small town and it is just unheard of to have a murder around here.....so it fortunately wouldn't actually be a very active organization. Currently, I just send cards and letters to any parents I hear of that lose their children for any reason. When my daughter was killed we received over 1000 letters and cards. They came from many different states, and hundreds of people I had never heard of. They just saw it on the news, or read about it in the paper. I was very touched that so many people did that....so I started doing it too. I'm glad that your POMC chapter has been helpful. I wish I had had a better experience with the one we went to. The one we attended had nice enough people, but I wouldn't have recommended them to anyone else....just because it was just too darn overwhelmingly disheartening. I commend you on having a helpful group.
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 25, 2005 11:06:56 GMT -6
JBS, I thought too of the email campaign but while it can help, it's also so easy to delete by two clicks of the mouse. In fact on some emial boxes, you can delete all mail with just one click. However, it has to help, but a letter is different..it's real, its tangible and you have to make a concerted effort to dispose of it, or file it (hopefully). Let's do both, snal mail and email and make these people realize that we want to keep these mutts where they belong,,,,in a cage just like the animals they behave like. There was a double murder and rape of the young female murder victim in the city I used to live in in the early 90's. The rapist/one who actually murdered is on death row. His cohort in the crime got a jail sentence, and was to be considered for parole year before last for the first time. This was a horrifying thought. I helped to send out requests for letters to the Parole Board by e-mails, also petitions too. Petitions were put out for people to consider signing at many Victims of Crime events in the area. Not long before the parole hearing, one of the ladies who handle that correspondence told the mother of the female victim that they did not just have a file of letters on that cohort's coming parole hearing, but he had his own file cabinet. You can't tell me they didn't notice that. His parole was denied, and I would expect it would be sure to continue to be as long as we alive, who knew that young lady, who know what he helped that man do to her that day, and know her family. I have just been participating in the ones I have been asked to. I would like to know how to find out about the ones that are coming up ourselves, too.
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Post by maxine on Aug 25, 2005 11:08:54 GMT -6
I will do whatever you need to help. I think this is a great positive idea.
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Post by cookielady on Aug 25, 2005 11:10:10 GMT -6
What a wonderful idea . I know I am an anti and could never participate in writing letters to encourage someone to be executed but respect each persons right to do that . I have wrote letters and spoke with my area senators ,reps ,and even wrote to the parole board . I have also attended court with various MVS's because I believe in supporting all victims of crime .I lost a very dear friend to murder but I don't consider myself an MVS because that is a title of respect for those who lost a family member but it still hurts none the less. I may be an anti but I believe in punishment and the only difference between me and a pro is the method in which they are punished .. I believe in people speaking up and trying to make a difference so if you would want help from an anti I would be happy to help .
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Post by Tony on Aug 25, 2005 11:18:01 GMT -6
I do all this already Benty. I belong to POMC (Parents of Murdered Children) and we assist new grieving families when it's their turn to join our "prestigious" club. We also attend court hearings to assist these families with some of the legal BS defense attorneys use to help their clients. We do not represent these families as legal counsel, we act as a support group only. I also occassionally receive electronic petitions from POMC National HQ protesting felons seeking parole and try to block paroles with the names I gather on some of the other boards. Maybe Charlene can create a "Petition Site" where we can sign these petitions and forward them to the parole boards nationwide. There is so much more that we do to help victims of crime and try to assist in every way we can. Visit the POMC site and email Nancy Munch. She would be more than happy to answer your questions and see how you or anyone else on this board can make sure these animals stay in prisons. Tony, just a couple of months after my daughter was killed, we went to a POMC meeting. To be quite honest, I was as stressed if not MORE after the meeting than I was before we went. It is a very sad place to be. They were really of no help, just a huge room full of crying and desperate people. So many grieving families with such sad stories.....like a room full of people crying on each others shoulders. Heart-breaking. I have since then thought of creating a sort of POMC chapter of my own. One that is a bit more like you describe. Just to be a support system to help with the in's and out's of the trial process. By no means am I any sort of expert, but I wouldn't mind being a shoulder to lean on in those difficult times of termoil. I live in a small town and it is just unheard of to have a murder around here.....so it fortunately wouldn't actually be a very active organization. Currently, I just send cards and letters to any parents I hear of that lose their children for any reason. When my daughter was killed we received over 1000 letters and cards. They came from many different states, and hundreds of people I had never heard of. They just saw it on the news, or read about it in the paper. I was very touched that so many people did that....so I started doing it too. I'm glad that your POMC chapter has been helpful. I wish I had had a better experience with the one we went to. The one we attended had nice enough people, but I wouldn't have recommended them to anyone else....just because it was just too darn overwhelmingly disheartening. I commend you on having a helpful group. Thanks MB. Don't get me wrong, we do have our crying moments, but I got tired of the "I'm the only one hurting" and started to do things about it. Our National Day of Remembrance is especially tough as is our December (Xmas meeting). As you know POMC does not affiliate itself with the DP and remain neutral, nor do they in any way believe in being soft on criminals. I am a very vociferous person and started talking about the DP and how those animals deserved death at our meetings. People started listening and supporting my views. I even went as far as printing on our boards the addy to Charlene's board and another board I belong to, www.prodeathpenalty.org and to no one's surprise it actually got people motivated and stopped feeling sorry for themselves. I started emailing National and asked if they would start sending me electronic petitions so we could sign/forward them to citizens and then to the parole boards. If I am not mistaken I believe our efforts have stopped over 800 violent felons from being paroled, and that is a number I am very proud of. Even if we keep one of the SOB's in prison is a victory. I am planning to get back in school and get a degree in Criminal Justice and try to work with the DA's office as a victims advocate or travel to Austin and try to work with Raven Kazen, a true advocate for crime victims.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 11:23:12 GMT -6
What a wonderful idea . I know I am an anti and could never participate in writing letters to encourage someone to be executed but respect each persons right to do that . I have wrote letters and spoke with my area senators ,reps ,and even wrote to the parole board . I have also attended court with various MVS's because I believe in supporting all victims of crime .I lost a very dear friend to murder but I don't consider myself an MVS because that is a title of respect for those who lost a family member but it still hurts none the less. I may be an anti but I believe in punishment and the only difference between me and a pro is the method in which they are punished .. I believe in people speaking up and trying to make a difference so if you would want help from an anti I would be happy to help . See that's the beauty of this idea CookieLady. You don't have to be a PRO to NOT want these scumbags out on the streets again. Sooo.....anti's can also join in the campaign if they want to keep them OFF THE STREETS!! We aren't necessarily campaigning to KILL them...just don't let them out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT idea that we can ALL work towards for our children and grandchildren.....and all those 'would-be victims'.
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Post by Tony on Aug 25, 2005 11:25:18 GMT -6
What a wonderful idea . I know I am an anti and could never participate in writing letters to encourage someone to be executed but respect each persons right to do that . I have wrote letters and spoke with my area senators ,reps ,and even wrote to the parole board . I have also attended court with various MVS's because I believe in supporting all victims of crime .I lost a very dear friend to murder but I don't consider myself an MVS because that is a title of respect for those who lost a family member but it still hurts none the less. I may be an anti but I believe in punishment and the only difference between me and a pro is the method in which they are punished .. I believe in people speaking up and trying to make a difference so if you would want help from an anti I would be happy to help . See that's the beauty of this idea CookieLady. You don't have to be a PRO to NOT want these scumbags out on the streets again. Sooo.....anti's can also join in the campaign if they want to keep them OFF THE STREETS!! We aren't necessarily campaigning to KILL them...just don't let them out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT idea that we can ALL work towards for our children and grandchildren.....and all those 'would-be victims'. Our Chapter Leader is an Anti MVS and totally agrees with me on everything except the execution part. She is a wonderful person and we are very good friends. She readily signs any petition to keep them locked up. God Bless America!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 11:31:56 GMT -6
Tony, just a couple of months after my daughter was killed, we went to a POMC meeting. To be quite honest, I was as stressed if not MORE after the meeting than I was before we went. It is a very sad place to be. They were really of no help, just a huge room full of crying and desperate people. So many grieving families with such sad stories.....like a room full of people crying on each others shoulders. Heart-breaking. I have since then thought of creating a sort of POMC chapter of my own. One that is a bit more like you describe. Just to be a support system to help with the in's and out's of the trial process. By no means am I any sort of expert, but I wouldn't mind being a shoulder to lean on in those difficult times of termoil. I live in a small town and it is just unheard of to have a murder around here.....so it fortunately wouldn't actually be a very active organization. Currently, I just send cards and letters to any parents I hear of that lose their children for any reason. When my daughter was killed we received over 1000 letters and cards. They came from many different states, and hundreds of people I had never heard of. They just saw it on the news, or read about it in the paper. I was very touched that so many people did that....so I started doing it too. I'm glad that your POMC chapter has been helpful. I wish I had had a better experience with the one we went to. The one we attended had nice enough people, but I wouldn't have recommended them to anyone else....just because it was just too darn overwhelmingly disheartening. I commend you on having a helpful group. Thanks MB. Don't get me wrong, we do have our crying moments, but I got tired of the "I'm the only one hurting" and started to do things about it. Our National Day of Remembrance is especially tough as is our December (Xmas meeting). As you know POMC does not affiliate itself with the DP and remain neutral, nor do they in any way believe in being soft on criminals. I am a very vociferous person and started talking about the DP and how those animals deserved death at our meetings. People started listening and supporting my views. I even went as far as printing on our boards the addy to Charlene's board and another board I belong to, www.prodeathpenalty.org and to no one's surprise it actually got people motivated and stopped feeling sorry for themselves. I started emailing National and asked if they would start sending me electronic petitions so we could sign/forward them to citizens and then to the parole boards. If I am not mistaken I believe our efforts have stopped over 800 violent felons from being paroled, and that is a number I am very proud of. Even if we keep one of the SOB's in prison is a victory. I am planning to get back in school and get a degree in Criminal Justice and try to work with the DA's office as a victims advocate or travel to Austin and try to work with Raven Kazen, a true advocate for crime victims..... Raven Kazen is who signs all the responses that I receive from the Victims Services Div. I own a business, and if it would help I would be willing to post a petition to have customers sign all petitions to keep criminals in prison!! As long as I have one to post...I'll do it!
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Post by cookielady on Aug 25, 2005 11:46:40 GMT -6
See that's the beauty of this idea CookieLady. You don't have to be a PRO to NOT want these scumbags out on the streets again. Sooo.....anti's can also join in the campaign if they want to keep them OFF THE STREETS!! We aren't necessarily campaigning to KILL them...just don't let them out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT idea that we can ALL work towards for our children and grandchildren.....and all those 'would-be victims'. Our Chapter Leader is an Anti MVS and totally agrees with me on everything except the execution part. She is a wonderful person and we are very good friends. She readily signs any petition to keep them locked up. God Bless America!!!!! I agree MamaBear , I feel this is not a pro-anti thing but something each of us can do to see that justice is served and make sure those that deserve to be locked up, stay right where they belong . I was watching a program the other night about a man who was paroled after 10 yrs for a vicious rape/decapitation{he cut the young victims arms off but she survived] and once released he evenually went out and raped but also killed this time . He should of never been released after the first crime and now there is a second family suffering by the actions of this same man . This man was sentenced to death and died on Florida's DR of natural causes in either 2002 or 2003 , I can't remember . Tony I agree with you on everything except the execution part as well . Lock them up ,throw away the key and let them sit and rot .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 12:53:46 GMT -6
JBS, I thought too of the email campaign but while it can help, it's also so easy to delete by two clicks of the mouse. In fact on some emial boxes, you can delete all mail with just one click. However, it has to help, but a letter is different..it's real, its tangible and you have to make a concerted effort to dispose of it, or file it (hopefully). Let's do both, snal mail and email and make these people realize that we want to keep these mutts where they belong,,,,in a cage just like the animals they behave like. There was a double murder and rape of the young female murder victim in the city I used to live in in the early 90's. The rapist/one who actually murdered is on death row. His cohort in the crime got a jail sentence, and was to be considered for parole year before last for the first time. This was a horrifying thought. I helped to send out requests for letters to the Parole Board by e-mails, also petitions too. Petitions were put out for people to consider signing at many Victims of Crime events in the area. Not long before the parole hearing, one of the ladies who handle that correspondence told the mother of the female victim that they did not just have a file of letters on that cohort's coming parole hearing, but he had his own file cabinet. You can't tell me they didn't notice that. His parole was denied, and I would expect it would be sure to continue to be as long as we alive, who knew that young lady, who know what he helped that man do to her that day, and know her family. I have just been participating in the ones I have been asked to. I would like to know how to find out about the ones that are coming up ourselves, too. Hi Benty, I agree with you. I did not make myself clear, obviously. I was talking about e-mailing requests for snail mail letters and petitions to people and groups I have e-mail addresses for. For instance, I have the e-mail address for one of the leaders of the East Tennessee Victims Rights Task Force, and we e-mail requests to each other with the information of what and how to do the protest. Just a way to spread the word.
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Post by aka on Aug 25, 2005 13:06:33 GMT -6
What a wonderful idea . I know I am an anti and could never participate in writing letters to encourage someone to be executed but respect each persons right to do that . I have wrote letters and spoke with my area senators ,reps ,and even wrote to the parole board . I have also attended court with various MVS's because I believe in supporting all victims of crime .I lost a very dear friend to murder but I don't consider myself an MVS because that is a title of respect for those who lost a family member but it still hurts none the less. I may be an anti but I believe in punishment and the only difference between me and a pro is the method in which they are punished .. I believe in people speaking up and trying to make a difference so if you would want help from an anti I would be happy to help . I agree with you Cookie Lady. I don't think I could write a letter supporting someone's execution. But, I could write hundreds of letters to help make sure the killer of Mamabear's daughter never gets out. I think this is a great idea and one that both Pros and Antis could work on together.
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Post by Eminey1 on Aug 25, 2005 14:31:44 GMT -6
Fantastic thread Benty, I couldn't find truer words spoken.
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Post by Dea on Aug 25, 2005 15:29:05 GMT -6
The weblink that Tony gave us for the POMC has a list of the Probation and Parole Boards by State. But not for every state.
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Post by Kay on Aug 25, 2005 16:58:27 GMT -6
You can count on me to help too, I would be glad to work to increase sentences for violent criminals, helping to make our world a safer place for all of us and those we love.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 17:25:00 GMT -6
Does anyone have a good suggestion on how we want to start this campaign? I've got plenty of stamps, and my typing fingers are ready!! All I need is an address and a 'bucket of puke' to campaign against.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 18:07:29 GMT -6
I just visited the POMC site (Parents of Murdered Children). I found a good candidate for our first letter writing campaign. Check this out and see what you think? Give opinions please as to any other suggestions. This guys parole hearing is coming up in December, so we have plenty of time to FLOOD them with letters! www.pomc.com/julianflores.cfm
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Post by aka on Aug 25, 2005 18:27:31 GMT -6
I just visited the POMC site (Parents of Murdered Children). I found a good candidate for our first letter writing campaign. Check this out and see what you think? Give opinions please as to any other suggestions. This guys parole hearing is coming up in December, so we have plenty of time to FLOOD them with letters! www.pomc.com/julianflores.cfmThis creep sounds like a good candidate to kickstart the campaign. It is beyond disgraceful that he has been setenced for 65 years but can be out on parole in 14 years.
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Post by bryan on Aug 25, 2005 18:30:50 GMT -6
I just visited the POMC site (Parents of Murdered Children). I found a good candidate for our first letter writing campaign. Check this out and see what you think? Give opinions please as to any other suggestions. This guys parole hearing is coming up in December, so we have plenty of time to FLOOD them with letters! www.pomc.com/julianflores.cfmama defently send a letter...plenty more actully
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Post by Kay on Aug 25, 2005 18:36:47 GMT -6
Does anyone know about this process, how a letter writing campaign effects the actual decision? Dead Elvis, do you know sir?
Should we just complete and sign the form letter, or would we have more impact, if we wrote our own letters?
Are they going to consider mail from other states?
Just want to be sure I'm having the maximum impact.
This was a terrible, terrible crime, and this person deserves to rot in prison.
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Post by happygrandmab on Aug 25, 2005 18:44:29 GMT -6
I just visited the POMC site (Parents of Murdered Children). I found a good candidate for our first letter writing campaign. Check this out and see what you think? Give opinions please as to any other suggestions. This guys parole hearing is coming up in December, so we have plenty of time to FLOOD them with letters! www.pomc.com/julianflores.cfmThis creep sounds like a good candidate to kickstart the campaign. It is beyond disgraceful that he has been setenced for 65 years but can be out on parole in 14 years. it is truly disgusting. dp should be mandatory for murderiing children
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Post by happygrandmab on Aug 25, 2005 18:48:39 GMT -6
:-*i'd be happy to help in any way i could
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