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Post by RickZ on Jan 13, 2008 6:13:43 GMT -6
You just can't make this stuff up! A Saudi-trained imam living in Canada complained to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, or some such Orwellian title, about a Canadian magazine in Alberta publishing the Ol' Moe khartoons. The publisher now has to explain his actions to this governmental drum-head tribunal as if someone being offended is a crime. Dhimmitude by any other name. Bravo, Mr. Levant. [And do check out the inquisitor's posture as Mr. Levant takes her to the politically incorrect woodshed: "They say that I've offended the Prophet Mohammed, who's dead, by the way, so I don't think I've offended him. . . ."]
Parts I-III (yes, Matt, Latin, the language of mathematical oppression)
tinyurl.com/38635aPart IV tinyurl.com/2rpxpk
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 13, 2008 6:39:44 GMT -6
You just can't make this stuff up! A Saudi-trained imam living in Canada complained to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, or some such Orwellian title, about a Canadian magazine in Alberta publishing the Ol' Moe khartoons. The publisher now has to explain his actions to this governmental drum-head tribunal as if someone being offended is a crime. Dhimmitude by any other name. Bravo, Mr. Levant. [And do check out the inquisitor's posture as Mr. Levant takes her to the politically incorrect woodshed: "They say that I've offended the Prophet Mohammed, who's dead, by the way, so I don't think I've offended him. . . ."]
Parts I-III (yes, Matt, Latin, the language of mathematical oppression)
tinyurl.com/38635aPart IV tinyurl.com/2rpxpkIt does seem crazy, I agree. But to be even and fair, are'nt there things we all stop short of making fun of Rick?
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Post by RickZ on Jan 14, 2008 6:42:26 GMT -6
It does seem crazy, I agree. But to be even and fair, are'nt there things we all stop short of making fun of Rick? What you are saying is that you are in favor of those who are easily offended and want legal protection. You want morality police, the mutawa. I find that interesting. In a democratic society, somebody will always be offended by something somewhere. Whether it be those, religous and otherwise, who advocate against porn, seeking tougher and tougher laws. Yet porn is one of the largest industries in California, creating huge revenue for the State. Or take the City of Amsterdam. I'm sure there's somebody over there who is offended by the store-front red light district. Yet it is that very thing which helps bring tourists to Holland, benefitting the government. Or lottery. I'm sure there's a ton of people who do not take kindly to State gambling, yet the State does it anyway, raking in lots of money that never really has a true accounting done, like all the monies that were supposd to go to schools. If people are playing the Lottery in high numbers for years, and our schools are failing, why is this? I'm offended, but that sure as h*ll won't stop NY from creating ever more Instant Lottery games at 5, 10, even 20 bucks a card. I can't believe you want to live under some sort of religious autocracy, where an elected government is ever subservient to religious dogma, and uses the authority of the state to push such dogma spouted by religious leaders never elected to anything, no matter how outdated or mysoginistic or tribal or irrelevent to your own life that dogma is. You give up so easily that which has been been hard fought and hard won: The Freedom for a woman to wear a short skirt ending at very long legs. Now that is patently offensive to the religious sensibilities of some here on this planet, and I'm sure you agree with them and want to see such ridiculous and frivolous Western 'values' come to a quick and sharp end. For the good of those easily offended of course. We wouldn't want to cause offense, now would we? Oh, and Ezra Levant's blog. A very brave man, standing up to the steamroller power of the State to create Thought Crime Police and Though Crime penalties. Because someone, somewhere, is offended by Ol' Moe khartoons. An old dead Arab guy who, by virtue of being dead, can no longer take offense in any case. Sort of like the statue of a crucifix (which is not just a cross, but has the body of Christ 'nailed' to it) standing upright in a beaker of urine. Or a painting of the Blessed Mother with elephant dung strewn all over it. Yep. Bring on the mutawa. We mustn't have everything be fair game, but make exceptions for blasphemy laws contained in one particular belief system. Well, at least the textile industry will gain what with longer and longer skirts, head coverings, etc. ezralevant.com/
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 14, 2008 9:59:17 GMT -6
It does seem crazy, I agree. But to be even and fair, are'nt there things we all stop short of making fun of Rick? What you are saying is that you are in favor of those who are easily offended and want legal protection. You want morality police, the mutawa. I find that interesting. In a democratic society, somebody will always be offended by something somewhere. Whether it be those, religous and otherwise, who advocate against porn, seeking tougher and tougher laws. Yet porn is one of the largest industries in California, creating huge revenue for the State. Or take the City of Amsterdam. I'm sure there's somebody over there who is offended by the store-front red light district. Yet it is that very thing which helps bring tourists to Holland, benefitting the government. Or lottery. I'm sure there's a ton of people who do not take kindly to State gambling, yet the State does it anyway, raking in lots of money that never really has a true accounting done, like all the monies that were supposd to go to schools. If people are playing the Lottery in high numbers for years, and our schools are failing, why is this? I'm offended, but that sure as h*ll won't stop NY from creating ever more Instant Lottery games at 5, 10, even 20 bucks a card. I can't believe you want to live under some sort of religious autocracy, where an elected government is ever subservient to religious dogma, and uses the authority of the state to push such dogma spouted by religious leaders never elected to anything, no matter how outdated or mysoginistic or tribal or irrelevent to your own life that dogma is. You give up so easily that which has been been hard fought and hard won: The Freedom for a woman to wear a short skirt ending at very long legs. Now that is patently offensive to the religious sensibilities of some here on this planet, and I'm sure you agree with them and want to see such ridiculous and frivolous Western 'values' come to a quick and sharp end. For the good of those easily offended of course. We wouldn't want to cause offense, now would we? Oh, and Ezra Levant's blog. A very brave man, standing up to the steamroller power of the State to create Thought Crime Police and Though Crime penalties. Because someone, somewhere, is offended by Ol' Moe khartoons. An old dead Arab guy who, by virtue of being dead, can no longer take offense in any case. Sort of like the statue of a crucifix (which is not just a cross, but has the body of Christ 'nailed' to it) standing upright in a beaker of urine. Or a painting of the Blessed Mother with elephant dung strewn all over it. Yep. Bring on the mutawa. We mustn't have everything be fair game, but make exceptions for blasphemy laws contained in one particular belief system. Well, at least the textile industry will gain what with longer and longer skirts, head coverings, etc. ezralevant.com/I read all of this response Rick, and I was thinking how can I convince people here and you that no, I dont want all those things you listed, than you listed girls in short skirts and I thought Bingo! Now everyone on this site will know I would never in a million years outlaw that practice, in fact I'd make it mandatory in selected cases of course!! My point was my friend, someone is always sensitive to something, you may remember my ban last year or the year before from the board for a month for my joke when you said the Muslim world was on fire, and I quipped that the only thing I could see on fire was the twin towers in your then avatar. A bit insensitive yes, struck a raw nerve? Yes, Inappropriate? Yes, but in a warped kind of way very funny depending on your perspecive. My question is where do you draw the line in humour? How do you legislate.
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Post by ginger on Jan 14, 2008 11:26:51 GMT -6
Ezra Levant's arguments are nothing short of brilliant.
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Post by RickZ on Jan 14, 2008 14:14:10 GMT -6
My point was my friend, someone is always sensitive to something, you may remember my ban last year or the year before from the board for a month for my joke when you said the Muslim world was on fire, and I quipped that the only thing I could see on fire was the twin towers in your then avatar. A bit insensitive yes, struck a raw nerve? Yes, Inappropriate? Yes, but in a warped kind of way very funny depending on your perspecive. My question is where do you draw the line in humour? How do you legislate. The big difference, and it's a mighty big difference, is that you answered to a private web site, and not to some governmental 'banality of evil' bureaucrat. Should government be in such a business? I think not. This Levant-Ol' Moe Khartoon case speaks volumes concerning the incremental loss of Freedoms. If one doesn't stand up. Just like Mr. Levant is doing. For us all, whether we are Canadian or not. And no, government should not be in the business of legislating humor. To each his own. Ignore what you don't like. Be offended if you like. But the government has no place in the equation.
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Post by oslooskar on Feb 4, 2008 1:12:50 GMT -6
are'nt there things we all stop short of making fun of Yes, but in a free society it is the individual who determines where he will stop…. not the state.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 4, 2008 6:06:02 GMT -6
All i say is this. This is about culture and nothing more and ones personal religious beliefs. If i was to emigrate to canada or the US or anywhere else come to think of it, somewhere that is a democracy i would at least try to involve myself in the local community i have chosen and that means the national community. I definately wouldnt try to change the indigenous majorities culture etc. Anyways of my own culture that was alien to the locals I would keep to myself especially my relious beliefs. if i was insulted by someone i would gently talk to them face to face and say look fella, what you did, what you said offended me. I wouldnt get on my high horse and say you stink and so does your country. Unfortunately this is happening regularly nowadays and its the one subject that is making me loose my tolerence of others. If you come to live in my country then at least speak the language, read our written language and understand it and respect our laws and our culture. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT.... *deleted* OFF. I am begining to feel like i (a member of the majority) anglo saxon white British (who doesnt have a racist bone in my body) am a bloody foriegner in my own country. This is because the politcial correct and the inner city (trendy Multi-cultural) liberal minded freaks have forced their PC views on us. well i say this and always will. SOD OFF MATE.
I am British nationalist and i dont have a racist or anti jewish, or come to think of it, any anti rligious bone in my body and i am bloody proud of that fact. If someone upsets me i tell them gently at first to mind there ways, If they dont listen i just walk away unless their in my face and then i end it. I dont care where someone is from, they respect my right to walk up the high street stark bollock naked if i wish without it offendeing anyone. ( i wouldnt do that anyway) but if i wanted to? the choice is mine. I want to say what i like, when i like, dress how i like and go where i want with out hinderence or to be threatened. This is The UK, supposedly the most tolerant nation on the planet. Thats total bollocks, we are, if your a small minded trendy innercity multi-cultural liberal freak with dreadlocks and think your so much more articulate and intelligent then anyone outside of London. i say to you, kiss my butt. respect is earnt and not given.
Go Canada, if you want to print those cartoons of Mohamed then do so, and sod the views of the muslims quite frankly. They need to get their house in order before shyting on our variace democracies, we may not be perfect but at least were free to say what we want.
If you do not like our hard fought way of life then sod off back to where you come from and that means the middle east. You say what you want there against any government and see how long you last a free man. Hypocrites. Dont come to our lands and dictate to us what you like and dont and expect us to grant you your wishes. I will not bend over anymore for those who dont respect our society. I am not expetcing evryone to understand my opinion of agree with it but i can say it and say it without fear of dissappearing or getting beaten up by the state police or the religious police. Its our way of like. join in and love it or sod off.
Thats all im going to say on that.
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Post by rosebud on Feb 6, 2008 1:46:36 GMT -6
All i say is this. This is about culture and nothing more and ones personal religious beliefs. If i was to emigrate to canada or the US or anywhere else come to think of it, somewhere that is a democracy i would at least try to involve myself in the local community i have chosen and that means the national community. I definately wouldnt try to change the indigenous majorities culture etc. Anyways of my own culture that was alien to the locals I would keep to myself especially my relious beliefs. if i was insulted by someone i would gently talk to them face to face and say look fella, what you did, what you said offended me. I wouldnt get on my high horse and say you stink and so does your country. Unfortunately this is happening regularly nowadays and its the one subject that is making me loose my tolerence of others. If you come to live in my country then at least speak the language, read our written language and understand it and respect our laws and our culture. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT.... *deleted* OFF. I am begining to feel like i (a member of the majority) anglo saxon white British (who doesnt have a racist bone in my body) am a bloody foriegner in my own country. This is because the politcial correct and the inner city (trendy Multi-cultural) liberal minded freaks have forced their PC views on us. well i say this and always will. SOD OFF MATE. I am British nationalist and i dont have a racist or anti jewish, or come to think of it, any anti rligious bone in my body and i am bloody proud of that fact. If someone upsets me i tell them gently at first to mind there ways, If they dont listen i just walk away unless their in my face and then i end it. I dont care where someone is from, they respect my right to walk up the high street stark bollock naked if i wish without it offendeing anyone. ( i wouldnt do that anyway) but if i wanted to? the choice is mine. I want to say what i like, when i like, dress how i like and go where i want with out hinderence or to be threatened. This is The UK, supposedly the most tolerant nation on the planet. Thats total bollocks, we are, if your a small minded trendy innercity multi-cultural liberal freak with dreadlocks and think your so much more articulate and intelligent then anyone outside of London. i say to you, kiss my butt. respect is earnt and not given. Go Canada, if you want to print those cartoons of Mohamed then do so, and sod the views of the muslims quite frankly. They need to get their house in order before shyting on our variace democracies, we may not be perfect but at least were free to say what we want. If you do not like our hard fought way of life then sod off back to where you come from and that means the middle east. You say what you want there against any government and see how long you last a free man. Hypocrites. Dont come to our lands and dictate to us what you like and dont and expect us to grant you your wishes. I will not bend over anymore for those who dont respect our society. I am not expetcing evryone to understand my opinion of agree with it but i can say it and say it without fear of dissappearing or getting beaten up by the state police or the religious police. Its our way of like. join in and love it or sod off. Thats all im going to say on that. Excellent post. I know how you feel, I feel like I am being pushed out of my own country, 2 years ago I felt I would never leave today, I would. I am saddened by the fact my daughter couldn't send christmas cards to her friends at school because of the religions that it would offend. I guess out govenment thinks more of the immigrants than it does of it's own people.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 6, 2008 2:52:09 GMT -6
I amy have been a little to direct with my views Claire but you understand how i feel and i do get so angry that situations like that of your daughters was allowed to happen. What is happening here. it just makes me sad. i have been lucky enough to have travelled all over the world and seen so many different places and cultures and that gives me i suppose a more tolerant mind but i wouldnt ever think of living somewhere else and trying to dictate my vies on others. its wrong and it should not be allowed. I make a point now of voicing my opinon if i choose too. Thank you for your understanding. XXX
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Post by rosebud on Feb 6, 2008 8:11:39 GMT -6
I amy have been a little to direct with my views Claire but you understand how i feel and i do get so angry that situations like that of your daughters was allowed to happen. What is happening here. it just makes me sad. i have been lucky enough to have travelled all over the world and seen so many different places and cultures and that gives me i suppose a more tolerant mind but i wouldnt ever think of living somewhere else and trying to dictate my vies on others. its wrong and it should not be allowed. I make a point now of voicing my opinon if i choose too. Thank you for your understanding. XXX 500 people leave the UK a week. Could you imagine what would happen if we all left
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Post by lawrence on Feb 6, 2008 10:22:13 GMT -6
500 people a week?? where are they all going ive heard that most are going to New Zealand and a lot to Canada and Australia. Soon babe we will be in the minority, then we can start to change things to suit us;-) this remainds me of something funny i must share with you. Its a little racist joke so all those who are offended... kiss my butt:=-) Coming soon to the BBC Immigrant TV with these great shows. Currynation Street Ahmedale Pakarama, Middle-Eastenders Britain's got Talibans You've been Bombed Big Buddah Postman Pak Im an Immigrant, get me out of here Black Peter Scooby Jew, for our Isreally friends THis is from my Arab potwasher, a Saudi, who says Arabs dont have a sense of humour, of course i was offended and sacked him straight away fro making obscene racist comments. :-)
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Post by furoraceltica on Feb 12, 2008 10:33:49 GMT -6
Canada is the North American branch of the EU. It too is a nation run by a far-left elite. Only when the Canadian people have patriotic leaders will they be able to stay safe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 11:06:20 GMT -6
Canada is the North American branch of the EU. It too is a nation run by a far-left elite. Only when the Canadian people have patriotic leaders will they be able to stay safe. Canada had a 1.9 murder rate in 2004. USA had a murder rate of 5.5 in 2004. Yes, I'm feeling so much safer than the citizens of Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2008 3:17:52 GMT -6
Canada is the North American branch of the EU. It too is a nation run by a far-left elite. Only when the Canadian people have patriotic leaders will they be able to stay safe. Canada had a 1.9 murder rate in 2004. USA had a murder rate of 5.5 in 2004. Yes, I'm feeling so much safer than the citizens of Canada. I'm Canadian, and like most countries Canada has it's problems, but I feel very safe here ! I am also very proud of Canada !
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 15, 2008 3:20:49 GMT -6
Canada had a 1.9 murder rate in 2004. USA had a murder rate of 5.5 in 2004. Yes, I'm feeling so much safer than the citizens of Canada. I'm Canadian, and like most countries Canada has it's problems, but I feel very safe here ! I am also very proud of Canada ! I like the sound of Canada, I'd love to sometimme fly a cessna caravan amphibian way up north and into soem of those more desolate aprts for a few months. I'd really like that if any of the girls here are up for it let me know in pm's. We can do "it" between flights! ;D
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Post by RickZ on Feb 16, 2008 2:56:52 GMT -6
Canada is the North American branch of the EU. It too is a nation run by a far-left elite. Only when the Canadian people have patriotic leaders will they be able to stay safe. A funny (anonymous) comment I read somewhere on the net (with apologies to Doc): The tragedy of Canada is that they could have had British culture, French cuisine, and American technology, but instead got American culture, British cooking, and French technology.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 19, 2008 9:08:07 GMT -6
Rickz thats hardcore. im british and i love Canada, ok, and your place as well. but what is wrong with british cooking. you are so yesterday with that comment. We have more michellin restaurants outside of france then anywhere else. we are now known for our excellent cooking and may i add i am a chef and i can knock the spots off most so called professionals. come to the little motherland and you will see our culture (whats left of it) and taste our variance county cooking. its the dogs bollocks and, im proud to say im British, yes a redcoat, a limmy, a pomme, a whitey, a Brit whatever you mixed up wired and crazy but fabulous people want to call us. Come to the motherland and see for your self what a fabulous little dump we live in, it rains a lot and its windy and damp at the moment but we will make you very welcome. F*^% the French, if it wasnt for them you guys would still be living under the Union Flag. The bloody french have a lot to answer for i can tell you. And their cooking's crap and they stink.
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Post by Matt on Feb 19, 2008 16:33:03 GMT -6
The tragedy of Canada is that they could have had British culture, French cuisine, and American technology, but instead got American culture, British cooking, and French technology. THAT is freakin' BRILLIANT!! HOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAA.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 20, 2008 2:59:13 GMT -6
Yep. Bloody Frogs. and they do stink. I once pulled a french bid when i was yonger and i got to the nitty gritty and my god, there was more hair of her body then me, her legs were like a NFL soccer player and Julia Roberts would have been proud of her La Natrual armpits.
I still have nightmares, she was a dirty bastard though :-)
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Post by rosebud on Feb 21, 2008 3:21:24 GMT -6
Rickz thats hardcore. im british and i love Canada, ok, and your place as well. but what is wrong with british cooking. you are so yesterday with that comment. We have more michellin restaurants outside of france then anywhere else. we are now known for our excellent cooking and may i add i am a chef and i can knock the spots off most so called professionals. come to the little motherland and you will see our culture (whats left of it) and taste our variance county cooking. its the dogs bollocks and, im proud to say im British, yes a redcoat, a limmy, a pomme, a whitey, a Brit whatever you mixed up wired and crazy but fabulous people want to call us. Come to the motherland and see for your self what a fabulous little dump we live in, it rains a lot and its windy and damp at the moment but we will make you very welcome. F*^% the French, if it wasnt for them you guys would still be living under the Union Flag. The bloody french have a lot to answer for i can tell you. And their cooking's crap and they stink. HUrrah ;D ;D
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Post by RickZ on Feb 22, 2008 5:01:50 GMT -6
Rickz thats hardcore. im british and i love Canada, ok, and your place as well. but what is wrong with british cooking. you are so yesterday with that comment. We have more michellin restaurants outside of france then anywhere else. we are now known for our excellent cooking and may i add i am a chef and i can knock the spots off most so called professionals. come to the little motherland and you will see our culture (whats left of it) and taste our variance county cooking. its the dogs bollocks and, im proud to say im British, yes a redcoat, a limmy, a pomme, a whitey, a Brit whatever you mixed up wired and crazy but fabulous people want to call us. Come to the motherland and see for your self what a fabulous little dump we live in, it rains a lot and its windy and damp at the moment but we will make you very welcome. I gather you're suffering heat stroke from being in the kitchen too long, lawrence. The comment I quoted pokes fun at Canadiens at the expense of various not highly acclaimed aspects of those other three countries which make up the heritage of the True North Strong and Free (as if anything can be north of them in the first place, but I digress). Let's face it, American culture is pretty vapid, but it sells. And no need to go into French technology; the propeller on France's brand spankin' new aircraft carrier, the Charles deGaulle, fell off leaving port. And British cuisine may be improving, but there was only one way for it to go, no? For a long while there, British cuisine was one step up from early homo sapiens sapiens cuisine: The British put pots of water on top of fire to cook their meat. Besides, importing chefs from the Continent really doesn't count as improving British cuisine. It's more a case of, "D*mn, there's good and tasty food in other parts of the world! Let's bring their chefs here!" Here I do have thoughts like yours. Any people who use perfume as a deoderant certainly leaves a lot to be desired; it really could be considered a crime against humanity's nostrils. Not to mention French women with their hairy armpits and legs. Yuck! If I wanted to be with a guy, well, . . .
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Post by RickZ on Feb 22, 2008 5:03:22 GMT -6
The tragedy of Canada is that they could have had British culture, French cuisine, and American technology, but instead got American culture, British cooking, and French technology. THAT is freakin' BRILLIANT!! HOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAA. I agree. When I read that comment, I couldn't stop laughing. The things one can read on the innernut.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 22, 2008 8:05:22 GMT -6
Importing chefs from the continent, never. The heat is bearable and the food is excellent and the fact remains were on the up. (Ok, i agree, it was bad, god really bad, i digress) a few years ago but now its bloody fabulous. I mean you can still get your boiled Tripe and pigs blood sausgae if you go looking for but this week in London was the international Ciusine culinaire and guess what? the Brits won nearly everything much to the annoyance of the French who were beaten into 4th place overall by the Guess who? yep, you guys. If you ever go to the Windy city there is a great Italian restaurant called Spiaggia, its very expensive but you get what you pay for, exciting food, fab service and a great view of lake Michigan book early, the food is fantastic. As for the French they have reached and all time low. Remind me never to go on a french aircraft carrier.
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Post by furoraceltica on Sept 16, 2009 0:59:38 GMT -6
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