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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 20:10:25 GMT -6
Jumbo... I think it's interesting what's going on nationwide too. Now all the states are postponing executions to see what's going on with the Court. kind of an impromptu moratorium looks like to me. I read through the briefs and the oral argument transcript from Medellin. It's pretty good stuff. That poor defense attorney for Medellin must have never argued before the Court before. I don't think he had a good day. haha!! Thanks for continuing to respond...I'm in my third year of law school and writing a journal article on the effect International law on the Death penalty. I'm looking at cases like Medellin, Sanchez-Llamas, Breard, etc. and also cases dealing with Foreign countries failing to extradite US citizens back to the US to face death or the death row phenom. On Foreign Countries refusing to extradite US citizens back to face the death penalty, Anyone have any thoughts?? There is a man accused of kidnapping, raping, murdering, and then setting on fire this UNT student a few weeks ago. The Interpol just busted him in South Mexico. NOW Mexico says that we can't have him back if we plan on seeking the death penalty. Any Thoughts? How would you go about bringing him back? Illegally violate the sovereignty of Mexico? Trade sanctions? Holding Mexican diplomats hostage as a bargaining chip?
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 22, 2007 8:41:13 GMT -6
Jumbo... I think it's interesting what's going on nationwide too. Now all the states are postponing executions to see what's going on with the Court. kind of an impromptu moratorium looks like to me. I read through the briefs and the oral argument transcript from Medellin. It's pretty good stuff. That poor defense attorney for Medellin must have never argued before the Court before. I don't think he had a good day. haha!! Thanks for continuing to respond...I'm in my third year of law school and writing a journal article on the effect International law on the Death penalty. I'm looking at cases like Medellin, Sanchez-Llamas, Breard, etc. and also cases dealing with Foreign countries failing to extradite US citizens back to the US to face death or the death row phenom. On Foreign Countries refusing to extradite US citizens back to face the death penalty, Anyone have any thoughts?? There is a man accused of kidnapping, raping, murdering, and then setting on fire this UNT student a few weeks ago. The Interpol just busted him in South Mexico. NOW Mexico says that we can't have him back if we plan on seeking the death penalty. Any Thoughts? How would you go about bringing him back? Illegally violate the sovereignty of Mexico? Trade sanctions? Holding Mexican diplomats hostage as a bargaining chip? trade sanctions would be an appropriate response, not just for mexico, but any country that violated the treaty for irrational reasons
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 9:41:36 GMT -6
How would you go about bringing him back? Illegally violate the sovereignty of Mexico? Trade sanctions? Holding Mexican diplomats hostage as a bargaining chip? trade sanctions would be an appropriate response, not just for mexico, but any country that violated the treaty for irrational reasons Doubt sanctions would work. USA openly defied UN economic sanctions againt the then-Rhodesia and South Africa until the white-minority governments were dissolved.
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Post by furoraceltica on Dec 5, 2007 3:06:53 GMT -6
The UN resolution was sponsored by the European Union, the world's most fanatically pro-criminal, anti-justice organisation. They even boast about backing this pro-criminal resolution on their commission website
The EU is a terrible place to be, unless you happen to be a sex killer, in which case it is paradise. You Americans don't know how lucky you are to actually have a system of justice where murderers are given proper punishment
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 5, 2007 11:08:17 GMT -6
The UN resolution was sponsored by the European Union, the world's most fanatically pro-criminal, anti-justice organisation. They even boast about backing this pro-criminal resolution on their commission website The EU is a terrible place to be, unless you happen to be a sex killer, in which case it is paradise. You Americans don't know how lucky you are to actually have a system of justice where murderers are given proper punishment all too true. the brits think that giving gang rapists six years in prison is harsh punishment
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Dec 5, 2007 22:25:31 GMT -6
All good, TxAggie1999...
We just tell every inmate in the unit he is in that he is a child molester...That takes care of that.
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Post by Lisa on Dec 6, 2007 2:25:03 GMT -6
Lisa - you are wrong. The USSC did not do anything that would have made ANYBODY think that they would have stayed an execution because lethal injection is cruel. There are probably 13 executions scheduled nation wide this week and next and there is NO sign that those states are going to stay executions. Besides, the Texas court system wouldn't have just done it to avoid having the Supreme court do so. Where would you get that? Sorry, but I just read this. Does this article answer your question?... LETHAL INJECTION CHALLENGES Ruling could halt Texas executions After stay, temporary ban likely while judges debate appeal By Chuck Lindell AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Wednesday, October 03, 2007 Roiled by internal dissent over its handling of a previous execution appeal, Texas' highest criminal court Tuesday blocked the state from carrying out its next scheduled execution ā signaling a temporary halt for the nation's busiest death chamber. Heliberto Chi was scheduled to die tonight for the 2001 killing of an Arlington store manager. Instead, the Honduran man became the second Texas inmate to win a court-ordered reprieve while the U.S. Supreme Court considers whether the method of lethal injection used in Texas and three dozen other states violates the U.S. Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. The Supreme Court last week blocked Texas from executing Carlton Turner Jr. while the lethal injection challenge is pending."It seems clear, based on the actions (by the two courts), that executions will be on hold for the next several months," said Andrea Keilen, executive director of the Texas Defender Service, which helped defend Chi. "We have what seems to be a temporary stop." www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/10/03/1003court.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2007 7:08:06 GMT -6
How about Kosovo, Cyprus, Haiti, Timor, Liberia, or Ivory Coast? I'm sure that the people in these countries are grateful to the UN peacekeepers present, who are preventing additional warfare and carnage. Koaovo major US help, Haiti major US help, that leave Cyprus, Liberia and the Ivory Coast which have not had major problems. Now tell me about what the UN is for places like Darfur (spelling) and other nations that are having major problems. Oh hell never mind we all know they are doing nothing and never have. The money we could save by not being in the UN could fund the mine removal project or other worthy projects. Talk to me when they do something that is really worth talking about. You are grasping at straws and you know it. you left out timor ? very interested in your comments on that??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2007 7:39:00 GMT -6
The US ia a law unto themselves and will do as they feel fit ,regardless if their reasons are based om fact or fiction. Thier presence in the UN is basically just a symbolic gesture without any true commitment.
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Post by RickZ on Dec 14, 2007 10:00:14 GMT -6
The US ia a law unto themselves and will do as they feel fit ,regardless if their reasons are based om fact or fiction. Thier presence in the UN is basically just a symbolic gesture without any true commitment. Except footing the bill, of course. If the UN, and people like you, don't like the US, then feel free to pay for the UN yourselves and leave my pockets alone.
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Post by ltdc on Dec 14, 2007 14:11:51 GMT -6
Thier presence in the UN is basically just a symbolic gesture without any true commitment. which is too much involvement
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Post by ltdc on Dec 14, 2007 14:12:37 GMT -6
The US ia a law unto themselves and will do as they feel fit ,regardless if their reasons are based om fact or fiction. Thier presence in the UN is basically just a symbolic gesture without any true commitment. Except footing the bill, of course. . ain't that the truth
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2007 21:18:20 GMT -6
The US ia a law unto themselves and will do as they feel fit ,regardless if their reasons are based om fact or fiction. Thier presence in the UN is basically just a symbolic gesture without any true commitment. Except footing the bill, of course. If the UN, and people like you, don't like the US, then feel free to pay for the UN yourselves and leave my pockets alone. Whilst the US treats the Un with contempt, their hunger for control and manipulation will never see the UN leave the states. It is in the US best interest to maintain the UN in the states. so that is why the US would never kick them out and there for would be only to happy to foot the bill. May be with your freedom of speach you and all your country me couldrally to evict the UN from The States, there for, leaving your pocket alone.
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Post by RickZ on Dec 15, 2007 5:46:17 GMT -6
Except footing the bill, of course. If the UN, and people like you, don't like the US, then feel free to pay for the UN yourselves and leave my pockets alone. Whilst the US treats the Un with contempt, their hunger for control and manipulation will never see the UN leave the states. It is in the US best interest to maintain the UN in the states. so that is why the US would never kick them out and there for would be only to happy to foot the bill. May be with your freedom of speach you and all your country me couldrally to evict the UN from The States, there for, leaving your pocket alone. So you'd join a club, paying the heftiest percentage of dues, only to be slammed and abused every day, just as the the drip of incomprehensibility passing as your post assumes? Yeah, no wonder the UN's so freakin' loved over here. If you think our "control and manipulation" of the UN is a bad thing, then you most definitely do not pay attention. Imagine the UN as a larger version of the EU, but with the Coucescus of the world having a say in how you run your life. Since your such a genius, you'd probably like that. That's why you can keep the bloody UN, and I do mean bloody as an accurate descriptive, not merely slang.
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Post by RickZ on Dec 15, 2007 5:50:47 GMT -6
Except footing the bill, of course. . ain't that the truth Yeah, a niggling detail, a mere bagatelle. Those who can, do, those who can't, criticize -- for free. At our expense. Lovely. Just lovely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2007 7:52:59 GMT -6
You redefine arrogance, count us out of your next "coalition of the willing." Comments like yours here make you a sitting duck for terrorism, and no wonder. Bravo! Poor Georgie is mad because he knows NOBODY will support him in his plans to invade Iran and Venezuela. Why should the UN work with a guy they KNOW isn't all there? Thing is, that there are his puppets like Howard and Harper whom when Bush farts, tell him how nice it smells... Well there is Harper , Howard is gone , Australia will still stand by America how ever with some what more caution in the future and more facts, Bushy did a fine job when he was in australia campagning for his buddy Howard. But I guess that did not help Howards cause.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2007 8:00:33 GMT -6
Whilst the US treats the Un with contempt, their hunger for control and manipulation will never see the UN leave the states. It is in the US best interest to maintain the UN in the states. so that is why the US would never kick them out and there for would be only to happy to foot the bill. May be with your freedom of speach you and all your country me couldrally to evict the UN from The States, there for, leaving your pocket alone. So you'd join a club, paying the heftiest percentage of dues, only to be slammed and abused every day, just as the the drip of incomprehensibility passing as your post assumes? Yeah, no wonder the UN's so freakin' loved over here. If you think our "control and manipulation" of the UN is a bad thing, then you most definitely do not pay attention. Imagine the UN as a larger version of the EU, but with the Coucescus of the world having a say in how you run your life. Since your such a genius, you'd probably like that. That's why you can keep the bloody UN, and I do mean bloody as an accurate descriptive, not merely slang. Actually I do feel that all nations participating in the the UN should contribute to the cost .If what you say is correct then I dont feel that the States should foot the total bill. If that was the case and suddenly the costs are shared equally then how is that going to change your position ,? willo your taxes be reduced or would the government find something else to channel them into.
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Post by RickZ on Dec 15, 2007 9:21:50 GMT -6
So you'd join a club, paying the heftiest percentage of dues, only to be slammed and abused every day, just as the the drip of incomprehensibility passing as your post assumes? Yeah, no wonder the UN's so freakin' loved over here. If you think our "control and manipulation" of the UN is a bad thing, then you most definitely do not pay attention. Imagine the UN as a larger version of the EU, but with the Coucescus of the world having a say in how you run your life. Since your such a genius, you'd probably like that. That's why you can keep the bloody UN, and I do mean bloody as an accurate descriptive, not merely slang. Actually I do feel that all nations participating in the the UN should contribute to the cost .If what you say is correct then I dont feel that the States should foot the total bill. If that was the case and suddenly the costs are shared equally then how is that going to change your position ,? When all the countries start pouring in the contributions, let me know how the UN's naval construction goes. Without our Navy's ability to get to anywhere on the planet quickly, for whatever reasons, the UN would be defunct today. That's why the UN is trying to get the the US to pass the Law of the Sea Treaty [ www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/wm470.cfm]. They want to take over our US Navy, subvert it to the will of the UN. What crap. To be honest, it's not a question of whether our politicians will channel the money somewhere else (they will!), it's a question of paying into an organization where dictators and theocratic thugs want to have a say in how I live my life (see the UN's trying to take over the internet). Sorry, but why should a Mugabe, or a Kim, or an Ahmanutjob, or a crazy Qaddafi, or the Central Committee of China, or the Sudan (sitting on the UN's Human Rights Committee) have anything to say about how I live my life? I value my Freedom, which is obviously something you do not if you are willing to give one iota of control over your life to such countries. The fact that the UN is growing more and more antithetical to the American way of life, of doing things, means that our participation may very well be short-lived. Then we'll see how much those "strongly worded resolutions" are worth. And they aren't worth much right now. And I'll add that that very toothlessness is why the League of Nations went defunct. The United States was not a member, and the League could do nothing when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931 (the official start of WWII), except issue strongly worded condemnations. That really worked.
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Post by furoraceltica on Sept 16, 2009 1:01:08 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? You'll have to forgive Italy. They are members of the EU, where they are used to unelected dictatorships like the EU/UN making rulings on the DP.
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Post by furoraceltica on Sept 16, 2009 1:02:39 GMT -6
How would you go about bringing him back? Illegally violate the sovereignty of Mexico? Trade sanctions? Holding Mexican diplomats hostage as a bargaining chip? trade sanctions would be an appropriate response, not just for mexico, but any country that violated the treaty for irrational reasons I would like to see the US bring devastating sanctions against any country that refused to hand over murder suspects because of the DP. America's founding fathers didn't fight and die to be free from European colonial rule, to have Europeans telling them what to do now.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 16, 2009 9:34:15 GMT -6
iamjumbo. please post the website thread that backs up that claim. If the UK legal system gave 6 years to a gang that ganged raped a woman i will personally write to them and give them some serious shyte. Back it up please.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 16, 2009 9:51:54 GMT -6
Rick, i can imagine how you would feel about that issue, probably the same as I regarding our own forces who like yours seem to be the bastians of the free world at the moment, also lets not forget the Canadians, the Australians etc in Afhganistan who have paid a high price for freedom and democracy.
As for the world and the UN's one world utopia, it will happen one day, it will have to happen. If we stay as we are only looking after ourselves in a world that is getting smaller by the day, we as a spicies will not survice because what one does often effects others and so the chain continues up and down hill. One day we will all see past our own petty little concerns and realise that we can make a better world if we want to. That means putting aside our trible & cultural tendancies, multible religious beliefs and political pride and leaning to live together as one species.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 10:06:41 GMT -6
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7839280.stmDisabled charities have condemned the sentences of three men who raped a girl and left her permanently disfigured by throwing caustic soda over her. The 16-year-old girl, who has a mental age of eight, was badly disfigured in the attack at a flat in Seven Sisters, north London, in January 2008. The three men, who laughed as they filmed the rape, were sentenced to jail terms of six years and nine years. Campaigners said the sentences sent out "the wrong message". The girl was in a coma following the attack and has been left with burns to more than 50% of her body. Richard Curen, chief executive of Respond, said: "This was a horrific and cowardly attack that scarred and traumatised this young woman both physically and mentally. "These sentences are another injury and I fear it will take even longer for her to recover." One of the men, Rogel McMorris, 18, from Seven Sisters, was jailed for nine years for two counts of rape and grievous bodily harm at Wood Green Crown Court on Monday. Co-defendants Jason Brew, 19, from Tottenham, north London, and Hector Muaimba, 20, from Walthamstow, east London, were jailed for six years each for the rape. Muaimba was given a further two-year term for a separate robbery. Passing sentence, Judge Shaun Lyons said: "The most severe injuries and consequences came from the caustic soda. "The victim has been left with severe post traumatic stress disorder and many, many physical difficulties." The court heard that the girl is also undergoing counselling following the attack. "These sentences don't come close to reflecting the brutality and horror of this attack," said chief executive of Voice UK, Kathryn Stone OBE. "They send completely the wrong message to society." Facing hurdles Deborah Kitson, director of The Ann Craft Trust, said victims with learning difficulties often faced "hurdles" in getting justice. "Most people don't realise that people with learning disabilities are more likely to be victims of rape," she said. "They can also face lots of hurdles in getting justice and fear not being believed if they come forward. Sentences such as this can damage people's confidence in the courts." Seven other men had been originally charged over the attack. Bradley Daley Smith, 22, and Miguel Almeida, 22, both of Edmonton, north London, and Bruno Abrantes, 24, from Tottenham, were all acquitted of grievous bodily harm. Charges against three others were dropped while Steven Bigby, 22, of Upper Edmonton, was stabbed to death in Oxford Street while he was on bail.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 17, 2009 6:48:21 GMT -6
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Post by lawrence on Sept 17, 2009 7:29:44 GMT -6
Itell you guys, i wish i could have sent you a copy of the e-mail Ive just sent to new Labour website for the attention of the Home Secretary.
I more or less accused them of renaying on their word to be tough on crime and the causes of crime as an election pledge. I asked why this judge thought that 6 & 9 years was sufficient enough sentence for such a hideous crime involving a minor and a mentally ill child at that. I said i wanted an answer from the Home secretary not a load of political wind as a reply. !2 years i told them you have been in power and you have not built a single new prison to help put more cons away. I said they have lost my vote period. I didn't tell them i was a Tory but it doesn't matter what i am these sentences are a bloody disgrace.
Man how would they feel if this child was one of their own and the judge gave that sentence. They would be outraged. Its a total bloody joke. Iamjumbo i apologise for disbeliving you i still find this hard to accept. If that was my kid i think i would be in prison now, i would have shot that freaking judge for having a laugh.
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Post by furoraceltica on Sept 21, 2009 9:34:29 GMT -6
Thank youMichael for this, apologies iamjumbo. I F***ING dispair at this socialist government. Letter of complaint is on its way. That sentence was a bloody outrage. I wouldn't bother. The Labour party is the puppet regime of the European Union.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 22, 2009 1:37:45 GMT -6
I know mate, they flogged me off to the Justice Ministry. So i forwarded that to them and the Tories and Liberals
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 22, 2009 6:12:20 GMT -6
iamjumbo. please post the website thread that backs up that claim. If the UK legal system gave 6 years to a gang that ganged raped a woman i will personally write to them and give them some serious shyte. Back it up please. that was two years ago. i don't even recall the case offhand, but, the fact is that it happens all the time. britain is the country that only jailed two vicious murderers who tortured and killed a ten year old boy for eight years, then jailed a good citizen named tony martin for performing a public service, and doing what was morally right. just simple reality my man
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 22, 2009 6:14:56 GMT -6
Rick, i can imagine how you would feel about that issue, probably the same as I regarding our own forces who like yours seem to be the bastians of the free world at the moment, also lets not forget the Canadians, the Australians etc in Afhganistan who have paid a high price for freedom and democracy. As for the world and the UN's one world utopia, it will happen one day, it will have to happen. If we stay as we are only looking after ourselves in a world that is getting smaller by the day, we as a spicies will not survice because what one does often effects others and so the chain continues up and down hill. One day we will all see past our own petty little concerns and realise that we can make a better world if we want to. That means putting aside our trible & cultural tendancies, multible religious beliefs and political pride and leaning to live together as one species. wrong lad. that peace and love, kumbaya stupidity is just that. it is not attainable, nor desirable were it.
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 22, 2009 6:18:44 GMT -6
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7839280.stmDisabled charities have condemned the sentences of three men who raped a girl and left her permanently disfigured by throwing caustic soda over her. The 16-year-old girl, who has a mental age of eight, was badly disfigured in the attack at a flat in Seven Sisters, north London, in January 2008. The three men, who laughed as they filmed the rape, were sentenced to jail terms of six years and nine years. Campaigners said the sentences sent out "the wrong message". The girl was in a coma following the attack and has been left with burns to more than 50% of her body. Richard Curen, chief executive of Respond, said: "This was a horrific and cowardly attack that scarred and traumatised this young woman both physically and mentally. "These sentences are another injury and I fear it will take even longer for her to recover." One of the men, Rogel McMorris, 18, from Seven Sisters, was jailed for nine years for two counts of rape and grievous bodily harm at Wood Green Crown Court on Monday. Co-defendants Jason Brew, 19, from Tottenham, north London, and Hector Muaimba, 20, from Walthamstow, east London, were jailed for six years each for the rape. Muaimba was given a further two-year term for a separate robbery. Passing sentence, Judge Shaun Lyons said: "The most severe injuries and consequences came from the caustic soda. "The victim has been left with severe post traumatic stress disorder and many, many physical difficulties." The court heard that the girl is also undergoing counselling following the attack. "These sentences don't come close to reflecting the brutality and horror of this attack," said chief executive of Voice UK, Kathryn Stone OBE. "They send completely the wrong message to society." Facing hurdles Deborah Kitson, director of The Ann Craft Trust, said victims with learning difficulties often faced "hurdles" in getting justice. "Most people don't realise that people with learning disabilities are more likely to be victims of rape," she said. "They can also face lots of hurdles in getting justice and fear not being believed if they come forward. Sentences such as this can damage people's confidence in the courts." Seven other men had been originally charged over the attack. Bradley Daley Smith, 22, and Miguel Almeida, 22, both of Edmonton, north London, and Bruno Abrantes, 24, from Tottenham, were all acquitted of grievous bodily harm. Charges against three others were dropped while Steven Bigby, 22, of Upper Edmonton, was stabbed to death in Oxford Street while he was on bail. that's the one. unfortunately, it is just one of hundreds spread throughout the european hug a thug countries
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