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Post by expatpam on Oct 7, 2007 12:25:30 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty.
What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that?
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Post by Californian on Oct 7, 2007 19:29:55 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? It means the wopps should pay more attention to fanny pinching and insane driving habits instead of dreaming. No. No. Anything else?
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Post by Anony+ on Oct 7, 2007 19:57:31 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? It means you have a lot to learn.......
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 7, 2007 21:28:20 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Excuse me, but when did the United Nations become important to the U.S.?
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 9, 2007 13:17:35 GMT -6
the un has no say in the internal affairs of the u.s. if the u.s. was the only country in the world that had the death penalty, it would be no one else's concern.
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Post by Donnie on Oct 9, 2007 21:17:54 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. The UN has no capability to abolish the DP.
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Post by RickZ on Oct 10, 2007 9:07:38 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? The US out of the UN! The UN out of the US! Let the UN move to Riyadh, which is awash in wh*res, just not the type the UN bureaucrats are seeking. Well, maybe they are seeking those types of wh*res (UN Oil-For Food Scandal), which is why the UN should move there. The US would be much better off without being a party to, and hosting on our soil, the Den of Thieves on Turtle Bay.
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Post by brumsongs on Oct 10, 2007 12:33:29 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? The US out of the UN! The UN out of the US! Let the UN move to Riyadh, which is awash in wh*res, just not the type the UN bureaucrats are seeking. Well, maybe they are seeking those types of wh*res (UN Oil-For Food Scandal), which is why the UN should move there. The US would be much better off without being a party to, and hosting on our soil, the Den of Thieves on Turtle Bay. Did I see you in Times Square with that post written on a sandwich board? Next to the guy with no shirt and cowboy boots who plays the guitar......
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Post by D.E.E. on Oct 10, 2007 19:28:31 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? Who care what the UN says or does? It would mean nothing to the US and it should not.
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Post by brumsongs on Oct 11, 2007 7:51:06 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? Who care what the UN says or does? It would mean nothing to the US and it should not. You redefine arrogance, count us out of your next "coalition of the willing." Comments like yours here make you a sitting duck for terrorism, and no wonder.
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Post by D.E.E. on Oct 11, 2007 19:03:22 GMT -6
Who care what the UN says or does? It would mean nothing to the US and it should not. You redefine arrogance, count us out of your next "coalition of the willing." Comments like yours here make you a sitting duck for terrorism, and no wonder. Why don't you list every thing the UN has done in the last 50 years with out the majority of the help coming from the US. When you finish see why the US should not even be part of the UN. The UN is not even a paper tiger, it is less. I did not know you spoke for your whole country must be nice, over here I only speak for myself, you are right about arrogance only it is from someone who tries to speak for their whole country.
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Post by brumsongs on Oct 12, 2007 2:23:37 GMT -6
You redefine arrogance, count us out of your next "coalition of the willing." Comments like yours here make you a sitting duck for terrorism, and no wonder. Why don't you list every thing the UN has done in the last 50 years with out the majority of the help coming from the US. When you finish see why the US should not even be part of the UN. The UN is not even a paper tiger, it is less. I did not know you spoke for your whole country must be nice, over here I only speak for myself, you are right about arrogance only it is from someone who tries to speak for their whole country. If you can find me a British person who supports the Iraq war I'll throw you a biscuit.
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Post by D.E.E. on Oct 12, 2007 9:17:31 GMT -6
Why don't you list every thing the UN has done in the last 50 years with out the majority of the help coming from the US. When you finish see why the US should not even be part of the UN. The UN is not even a paper tiger, it is less. I did not know you spoke for your whole country must be nice, over here I only speak for myself, you are right about arrogance only it is from someone who tries to speak for their whole country. If you can find me a British person who supports the Iraq war I'll throw you a biscuit. The point is you are not the spoke person for your country. Leave it will not be the first time we fought with out your country and most likely will not be the last either. I note you have not listed all of the accomplishments of the UN that were done with out major support of the US either.
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Post by brumsongs on Oct 12, 2007 9:41:50 GMT -6
If you can find me a British person who supports the Iraq war I'll throw you a biscuit. The point is you are not the spoke person for your country. Leave it will not be the first time we fought with out your country and most likely will not be the last either. I note you have not listed all of the accomplishments of the UN that were done with out major support of the US either. Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN.....
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Post by RickZ on Oct 12, 2007 10:11:36 GMT -6
Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN..... Oh puh-leeze. You've already shown yourself ignorant of English history, now you're showing yourself ignorant of world history. Helpful hint: When you hit bottom, quit digging.
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 12, 2007 10:16:15 GMT -6
Who care what the UN says or does? It would mean nothing to the US and it should not. You redefine arrogance, count us out of your next "coalition of the willing." Comments like yours here make you a sitting duck for terrorism, and no wonder. when the un is doing something right, the u.s. goes along, as it should. when the un is doing something stupid and morally wrong, as in this case, there's no rational reason to support it simple reality the lad
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 12, 2007 10:19:14 GMT -6
Why don't you list every thing the UN has done in the last 50 years with out the majority of the help coming from the US. When you finish see why the US should not even be part of the UN. The UN is not even a paper tiger, it is less. I did not know you spoke for your whole country must be nice, over here I only speak for myself, you are right about arrogance only it is from someone who tries to speak for their whole country. If you can find me a British person who supports the Iraq war I'll throw you a biscuit. does the name tony blair ring a bell? where the hell is my biscuit?
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Post by brumsongs on Oct 12, 2007 10:23:54 GMT -6
Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN..... Oh puh-leeze. You've already shown yourself ignorant of English history, now you're showing yourself ignorant of world history. Helpful hint: When you hit bottom, quit digging. Ricky, the only way you can tell your arse from your elbow is that your elbow doesn't do most of the talking. You are barking mad, a fantasist, a stranger to reason and a five pin din plug to boot. Keep up with your hateful little rants by all means, it's your own side that you embarrass and your own opinions which you expose by your laughable bigotry and twisted paranoia.
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 12, 2007 10:30:26 GMT -6
The point is you are not the spoke person for your country. Leave it will not be the first time we fought with out your country and most likely will not be the last either. I note you have not listed all of the accomplishments of the UN that were done with out major support of the US either. Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN..... thanks for the joke of the day. it is hilarious. if it weren't for the u.s., you'd be speaking german clown
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 12, 2007 10:36:12 GMT -6
The point is you are not the spoke person for your country. Leave it will not be the first time we fought with out your country and most likely will not be the last either. I note you have not listed all of the accomplishments of the UN that were done with out major support of the US either. Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN..... by the way lad, YOU are the fool who doesn't want to recognize the un's establishment of israel. the un is just the league of nations with a different name so don't try to go there
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Post by D.E.E. on Oct 12, 2007 18:20:47 GMT -6
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Post by Matt on Oct 12, 2007 20:58:21 GMT -6
Still waiting for that list of UN accomplishments. Have you heard of UNICEF, or the UN High Commission for Refugees? How about the UN's work to eradicate smallpox, or the promotion of safe drinking water in 3rd world countries? Clearing landmines in Africa? Think about these and get back to us.
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Post by Matt on Oct 12, 2007 21:00:39 GMT -6
In the news recently Italy's Prime Minister has made a plea to the U.N. for an International abolishment of the Death Penalty. What does this mean for the U.S.? Would President Bush support this? And if so, would that mean an abolition to the Death Penalty, just like that? I'm still waiting on an answer to my appeal to the Italian Football Federation for Italy's grossly unsporting behavior during the 2006 World Cup. A nation that cheats at football cannot dictate to the world community.
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Post by RickZ on Oct 13, 2007 4:51:11 GMT -6
Still waiting for that list of UN accomplishments. Have you heard of UNICEF, UNICEF: Stealing money from US Trick or Treaters for decades. Might as well teach the kiddies early the real raison d’être for the UN's existence. 'High' Commissioner is right. They never seem to resolve those refugee problems, like UNRWA, where they've made being a 'Palestinean refugee' into a lifetime sinecure. On my friggin' dime, no less, the b*stards. Smallpox is making a comeback. Muslims, who live solidly in the turd world, don't believe in smallpox vaccinations (they aren't in the koran; they are a Jewish plot; they are an American plot [take your pick]). Insh'allah. Like teaching a hungry man to fish, feeding him for a lifetime instead of throwing him bones, teaching people not to sh*t in their drinking water might be a more valuable lesson to teach. Wait for it. I'm sure this is the fault of the US somehow. I did. No sale. Since muslims don't accept the UN Declaration of Human Rights, I don't want that Islamic Declaration of Human Rights to be a model for anything (and the islamic Declaration is now being actively pushed at the UN). But it is coming, as sharia creep continues unabated, thanks in large part to the UN and all their 'islamophobia' claims and anti-Israel conferences and resolutions. Like the League of Nations, The UN doesn't have long to live; once we pull out, it's dead, Jim. Then there will truly be rejoicing in the streets. I'll even bake a cake for the event. Maybe hand out sweets. ULULULULULULU!
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Post by D.E.E. on Oct 13, 2007 8:29:50 GMT -6
Still waiting for that list of UN accomplishments. Have you heard of UNICEF, or the UN High Commission for Refugees? How about the UN's work to eradicate smallpox, or the promotion of safe drinking water in 3rd world countries? Clearing landmines in Africa? Think about these and get back to us. Yep good works now post where they have done something in the world to stop Governments from doing crap to their people, countries like N. Korea, NVN, any of the African countries where people are being murdered daily. Yes it is easy to do UNICEF, take in few refugees, promote safe drinking water, but notice when some country needs to put its troops on the line who is it that is called upon to provide the most troops? think about that and get back to me with real answers.
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Post by Californian on Oct 13, 2007 8:49:09 GMT -6
Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN..... Oh, right, right. That's why the U.S. is still part of the UK, right? You idiot.
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Post by brumsongs on Oct 13, 2007 12:29:08 GMT -6
Notably when our country fights without yours we tend to WIN..... thanks for the joke of the day. it is hilarious. if it weren't for the u.s., you'd be speaking german clown Were it not for the War of Independence you might be able to write English competently.
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Post by txaggie1999 on Oct 13, 2007 13:42:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure where this discussion thread went wrong, but y'all are starting to sound like a bunch of 10 year olds. I wanted to join this "Legal Topics" board because I thought I would be able to learn something from attorneys around the globe. Unfortunately, I think this may be a waste of time.
Let's try to get back to the issues and not childish cut downs...
International laws and treaties are going to have an impact on the United States' Policies. If not directly, then surely indirectly through the liberal media's focus on chipping away at federalism. The truth of the matter is that the US HAS been party to several treaties concerning human rights and we will most likely continue to do so for the unforeseeable future. Thankfully, Our leaders are smart enough to include provisions that maintain our freedoms such as retaining the right to define "cruel and unusual punishment" and refusing to allow treaties to be self-executing with out Senate and House approval.
As for the original question regarding a UN ban against the death penalty, I agree with most of you that it will have a minimal impact if any. Even without such a ban, there are 133+ countries that have already banned it and do their part to ensure that number continues to grow. In fact, just this week the EU declared October 10th as the European Day against the Death Penalty. Until recently the US has completely ignored this international push, but I fear that may be weakening.
A couple of weeks back, Texas stayed an execution due to fears that lethal injection may violate the 8th amendment. Additionally, given all the press surrounding the Medellin trial and the president's recent support of the murdering rapist Medellin, it looks like the US government is starting to get soft on backing the death penalty. The Medellin case scares me the most because it appears that the president and congress are trying to contract around the judicial branch with the use of the international court of justice and various treaties.
Anyway, despite popular opinion in this thread, I don't think a moratorium isn't just a remote possibility anymore. I don't support that and I wholeheartedly oppose allowing soft leaders to abandon Our rights to gain foreign favoritism. The US is THE World Leader and we need not forget that when international politics collides with our own.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 13, 2007 14:02:59 GMT -6
A couple of weeks back, Texas stayed an execution due to fears that lethal injection may violate the 8th amendment. That's not the reason why Texas stayed the execution. They issued a stay because the USSC would have anyway.
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Post by Matt on Oct 13, 2007 14:28:12 GMT -6
I did. No sale. Since muslims don't accept the UN Declaration of Human Rights, I don't want that Islamic Declaration of Human Rights to be a model for anything (and the islamic Declaration is now being actively pushed at the UN). But it is coming, as sharia creep continues unabated, thanks in large part to the UN and all their 'islamophobia' claims and anti-Israel conferences and resolutions. Like the League of Nations, The UN doesn't have long to live; once we pull out, it's dead, Jim. Then there will truly be rejoicing in the streets. I'll even bake a cake for the event. Maybe hand out sweets. ULULULULULULU! "Sharia creep"? Good God, Jim, take a pill!
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