what about

[cynthiak]

Honey, I know its not all blacks that are like that just like its not all whites that are like others. But what I dont understand is why complain about racism when they are doing the same thing? But to laugh in someones face and say the only way to get the benefits is to be black? How is that not racist? How is it not racist when that lady told my co-worker that the bank and the builders wanted to ensure blacks were the only one to get the houses? And how is it not racist to say its not natural for a black person and a white person to be friends? That one, Ill even go more towards narrow minded dumbass on.

[bryan]

cynthiak said:

Honey, I know its not all blacks that are like that just like its not all whites that are like others. But what I dont understand is why complain about racism when they are doing the same thing? But to laugh in someones face and say the only way to get the benefits is to be black? How is that not racist? How is it not racist when that lady told my co-worker that the bank and the builders wanted to ensure blacks were the only one to get the houses? And how is it not racist to say its not natural for a black person and a white person to be friends? That one, Ill even go more towards narrow minded dumbass on.

cyn that can go both ways thoe, if someone expects blacks to need welfare or whatever i am a little offended...even coming from a black person, the very idea that blacks "need" support to live makes me sick...i know white people need it, i know black people need it...but dont expect because someone is white they dont need it and because someone is black or hispanic we need it

[cynthiak]

bryan said:

cynthiak said:

Honey, I know its not all blacks that are like that just like its not all whites that are like others. But what I dont understand is why complain about racism when they are doing the same thing? But to laugh in someones face and say the only way to get the benefits is to be black? How is that not racist? How is it not racist when that lady told my co-worker that the bank and the builders wanted to ensure blacks were the only one to get the houses? And how is it not racist to say its not natural for a black person and a white person to be friends? That one, Ill even go more towards narrow minded dumbass on.

cyn that can go both ways thoe, if someone expects blacks to need welfare or whatever i am a little offended...even coming from a black person, the very idea that blacks "need" support to live makes me sick...i know white people need it, i know black people need it...but dont expect because someone is white they dont need it and because someone is black or hispanic we need it

I totally agree it goes both ways. It just makes me angry when someone says its only aimed towards blacks. Yes, I agree, it is more of a problem towards blacks. (The racism I mean) But it is out there against everyone just because they are black, white, hispanic, asian (added that one for you )...against us all. But, I look at it this way..its more just ignorance than anything.

[bryan]

cynthiak said:

bryan said:

cyn that can go both ways thoe, if someone expects blacks to need welfare or whatever i am a little offended...even coming from a black person, the very idea that blacks "need" support to live makes me sick...i know white people need it, i know black people need it...but dont expect because someone is white they dont need it and because someone is black or hispanic we need it

I totally agree it goes both ways. It just makes me angry when someone says its only aimed towards blacks. Yes, I agree, it is more of a problem towards blacks. (The racism I mean) But it is out there against everyone just because they are black, white, hispanic, asian (added that one for you )...against us all. But, I look at it this way..its more just ignorance than anything.

yea i agree 100%....but from what i have learned in my almost 26 years of being black, ignore the comments and the racisim and it wont bother me...it doesn't become a problem untill i make it one....anyway, i love you and stay asian

[sweethonesty]

Only problem i see is, if our society keeps us in color-groups, how are we to unite as a nation? I think its wrong to divide nationalities into their groups. There are neighborhoods you can afford and some you cant afford.

Ive run into a bit of this racism daily myself, its not a pretty picture, its almost like a cancer. There are times It can eat at your soul. I work daily at allowing ppl their ignorance, i try to ignore their ignorant comments and their attitudes and sometimes their looks and stares.

How do you raise your family to treat all people with the same respect that you want in return? When others obviously don't care to raise their own with the same respect. Thats what keeps our society divided.

[bryan]

here something that got me thinking...


'I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.' -Nelson Mandela

[johnbgraf]

Why do people make the DP issue racial.True Americans,black,white,yellow,red,who hold a
job,pay taxes,and raise a family want to see their streets and neighborhoods cleaned up.
Unfortunately,this racism card keeps getting pulled,and its not a valid one.If you asked
the average working American,who is struggling to do whats right in life,how they felt about
our legal system housing and feeding these hardened criminals with their tax dollars,you would find out that most are getting pissed off and tired.Our penal system actually supports
these murderers better they could of if they held a job and never were incarcerated.They get
3 meals a day,TV with no cable bill,an exercise program,internet privilages,the right to counsel
religious rights,civil rights,all at our expense.And all this,at the expense of OUR,yes OUR hard
earned taxable income.Black, white ,red,or yellow.If they done the crime,then make them pay,A life for a life.After all our Government holds you responsible to pay your taxes,imagine
telling our Government,no I not paying no more...see what happens.But when you make the
DP issue a racial issue,you are actually giving these hardened criminals more legal rights,and
more say about being excussed of their crime.If anyone should be given additional rights,it
should be the family members who have suffered,by these violent murders to innocent victims.Lets ask them if it matters what race the murderer was,you'll find it doesn't matter,
they just want to see justice served.Capital Punishment is not a racial issue unless you make
it one.And the more it gets made a racial issue the slower JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.

[bryan]

cynthiak said:

Just because I'm white, I can't have friends who are black?

you got me

[bryan]

cynthiak said:

bryan said:

cyn that can go both ways thoe, if someone expects blacks to need welfare or whatever i am a little offended...even coming from a black person, the very idea that blacks "need" support to live makes me sick...i know white people need it, i know black people need it...but dont expect because someone is white they dont need it and because someone is black or hispanic we need it

I totally agree it goes both ways. It just makes me angry when someone says its only aimed towards blacks. Yes, I agree, it is more of a problem towards blacks. (The racism I mean) But it is out there against everyone just because they are black, white, hispanic, asian (added that one for you )...against us all. But, I look at it this way..its more just ignorance than anything.

cyn i was doing a little thinking and i think i realized something else, it was obvious that you were offended when they questioned why you needed financial help and they only laughed and made it one big black joke but i realized this today, a lower class person eats dinner and pays a bill and he tips, well a billionaire like maybe Donald trump eats a dinner and pays his bill and then tips, wouldn't you expect him to give 100 dollars as a tip and the normal lower class guy to pay 4 maybe 5 dollars for his tip...if you can think of it like that, i think that will explain the whole situation better...that was just my thought and i hope it hit you like it hit me

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philosophygirl said:

what about the fact that if you're black and you kill a white person there is approx. an 80% chance that you will recieve the death penalty
BUT if you are white and you kill a black person there is an 80% chance that you will NOT recieve the death penalty
THE SYSTEM BY WHICH PEOPLE ARE EXECUTED IS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS

Are people happy enough seeing SOME of the murders sentenced to death even though not all of them are? Or are people just happy enough with the way the system works because it's not the white race being exterminated?

The system is sick and injust. How can you live with that?

www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t4102003.pdf


www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t6802005.pdf

If you check out these sights you may differ your opinion of the split of convictions versus the split of arrests. It appears from these figures that the whites do not get any real preferential treatment as they out number the black in both charges and death penalties imposed.

Your statement may be applicable to only a hand full of states but i feel this is due to the legacy of days gone by.


www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t686.pdf

this sight shows the number of executed prisioners by year from 1930 and yes in the early years there was a n imbalance toward the blacks but it certainly is not the case now. You can compare the charts and draw your own conclusions

[muddy22193]

rickz said:

philosophygirl said:

I'm sorry I could not find the exact source for 80/20 stat. However, I didn't pull it out of thin air--I spent 3 months in Chicago studying Racism and the Death Penalty and the stat. reflects what I was taught.

A point on being 'taught': Would you queston being taught that the sky is green and the seas are orange? This is not merely rhetorical in nature.

When it comes to statistics, I always remember the adage: There are lies, d*mned lies, and statistics. My point is that if you did not study and review the empirical data from which the statistics you posited on this board were derived, how can you vouch for their validity? Just because you were taught them?



You bring up a point on white victims and black perpetrators. What are the 'statistics' of a black victim and a white perpetrator? Surely that must be in the emipirical data as well. Or was the study of this aspect of our criminal justice system conveniently ignored as not fitting the agenda? Just curious on this, now that you've brought up one side of the issue.

"As I go around the rural South today, I see that many institutions have changed, maybe not as much as they should have, but there are changes in the schools, changes in the hospital, changes in the housing authorities. And yet when I go into the courtrooms of the South, I see that nothing has changed. Often the only minority person in the courtroom is the person on trial." (Bright, Stephen B., (Bright, Stephen B., Race, Poverty and Disadvantage in the Infliction of the Death Penalty in the Death Belt from Machinery of Death pg. 122, 1995.)

Methinks Mr. Bright is full of hyperbole. Appellate issues abound in his statement, and he d*mn well knows this, him being a defense lawyer and all.

He can't be guilty because the glove doesn't fit! ;D
Money will buy your freedom and if you doubt it, ask OJ and MJ!
By the way, weren't OJ's victims both white?
I thought so!

[Eminey1]

philosophygirl said:

what about the fact that if you're black and you kill a white person there is approx. an 80% chance that you will recieve the death penalty
BUT if you are white and you kill a black person there is an 80% chance that you will NOT recieve the death penalty
THE SYSTEM BY WHICH PEOPLE ARE EXECUTED IS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS

Are people happy enough seeing SOME of the murders sentenced to death even though not all of them are? Or are people just happy enough with the way the system works because it's not the white race being exterminated?

The system is sick and injust. How can you live with that?

I too would also like to inquire as to where you obtained your statistical information

By no means of the imagination am I prejudice toward people of a different race or religion to my own, however, I am so sick and tired of hearing the warped, cheap, nasty excuses that are made by do gooders that stand lighting candles for murdering scum bags.

I am really sorry to have to give you my little words of wisdom but if these trailer trash people didn't kill anyone then there wouldn't need to be any do gooders like yourself philosophygirl.

If you want to look at the sick and unjust take a look around the victims websites, look at the innocent children taken from the world by monsters, the old lady who was bludgeoned to death for the $2 she had in here purse, the list goes on and on! The state is merely PUNISHING these sick twists for THEIR ACTIONS by execution which is a damn site easier exit than their victims got.

[Donnie]

eminey1 said:

I too would also like to inquire as to where you obtained your statistical information

She already has admitted that she doesn't know the original source of the "statistics" she presented. She claimed that she learned them in a class. So it appears that she is reguritating false propaganda. A cursory look at real Department of Justice statistics would show that the numbers she presented cannot be even close to the truth. For example, in 1991 there were about 24,700 murders in the US, but there were only 14 executions. In 1999 there about 15,522 murders but only 98 executions, the most executions in any year. So no murderer has an 80% chance of being executed. In 1999 there were 33 black murderers executed. That year black murderers killed 820 whites and white murderers killed 284 blacks.

Remember that philosophygirl is so unhinged that she asked the following inane question: "Or are people just happy enough with the way the system works because it's not the white race being exterminated?" In 1999, black murderers killed 4,217 black. So if the black race were being exterminated (it isn't) it would be black murderers of blacks doing it, not executions for murder.

[californian]

philosophygirl said:

"A disproportionate number of capital murder defendants are black and a disproportionate number of capital murder defendants are people who are accused of killing a white victim. and close to 100 percent of capital murder defendants are indigent. At some level, everyone in America already knows this. If you were accused of capital murder would you rather be black or white? If you were accused of capital Murder , would you rather be rich or poor? The answers are obvious, of course. Rich people generally have advantages that poor people do not, and that is especially true in the criminal justice system. Likewise, black Americans face forms of racism that whites do not, including poorer medical care, higher disapprovale rates on mortgage applications, and so on; and one instance of racism is reflected in the criminal justice system. The population of death row in America is clsoe to 100 percent poor." (Dow, David R., 20--Machinary of Death by Dow and Dow.)

"Life isn't fair."

John F. Kennedy.

[californian]

philosophygirl said:

I'm sorry I could not find the exact source for 80/20 stat. However, I didn't pull it out of thin air-- I spent 3 months in Chicago studying Racism and the Death Penalty and the stat. reflects what I was taught.

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Then perhaps your teacher was wrong, too.

Your premise has been blown out of the water.

What else ya got?

[Sandoval]

What about the killers of James Byrd? I think they received the death penalty.