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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:53:52 GMT -6
How sad is this.... seeing people take philosophical positions, economic positions and political positions - they are overtly moot points - do any of you actually think that your posturing at any level equates to justice ? To be clear, there is punishment for the commission of crime, there is vengeance for the commission of crime and there is possibility in some cases of rehabilitation for crime ... none of this undoes the crime............. how does one undo capital murder ? That is the question for any anti to actually answer - I am still waiting after many years. I think you're asking the wrong question of the wrong people. Obviously murder (capital or not) cannot be undone. It's pros who choose which cases are capital, which ones should be plea bargained down, which ones will likely bring a death sentence (from pros). It's pros who sit on juries and decide the fate of DP eligible murder. It's pros who want to pick and choose which murders are worse than the others. Talk to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:54:53 GMT -6
why can't I just delete a duplicate post?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 15:58:52 GMT -6
How sad is this.... seeing people take philosophical positions, economic positions and political positions - they are overtly moot points - do any of you actually think that your posturing at any level equates to justice ? To be clear, there is punishment for the commission of crime, there is vengeance for the commission of crime and there is possibility in some cases of rehabilitation for crime ... none of this undoes the crime............. how does one undo capital murder ? That is the question for any anti to actually answer - I am still waiting after many years. I think you're asking the wrong question of the wrong people. Obviously murder (capital or not) cannot be undone. It's pros who choose which cases are capital, which ones should be plea bargained down, which ones will likely bring a death sentence (from pros). It's pros who sit on juries and decide the fate of DP eligible murder. It's pros who want to pick and choose which murders are worse than the others. Talk to them. We pick & choose in other area's too, of what living life we will end & the why's. SO? I will never understand when we pick who's life to end especially when totally innocent? Why?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 16:15:18 GMT -6
Also on the news tonight, 3 inmates escaped, 2 of them in for murder. Committed assault while escaping. DUH
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 16:31:37 GMT -6
Also on the news tonight, 3 inmates escaped, 2 of them in for murder. Committed assault while escaping. DUH South Carolina detention center. Two are 'charged with murder', one is 'charged with grand larceny and car jacking'.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 16:40:14 GMT -6
Also on the news tonight, 3 inmates escaped, 2 of them in for murder. Committed assault while escaping. DUH South Carolina detention center. Two are 'charged with murder', one is 'charged with grand larceny and car jacking'. That's what I just said, two are charged with murder. To add. According to news *also on escape one of them committed assault)
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Post by oslooskar on May 20, 2018 17:39:00 GMT -6
why can't I just delete a duplicate post? You can! Look at the icon to the far right of the quote, edit, and thumbs up icons; it will have what appears to be a little gear on it. Click on it and a little box will drop down and you will see a "delete post" option.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 18:13:43 GMT -6
why can't I just delete a duplicate post? You can! Look at the icon to the far right of the quote, edit, and thumbs up icons; it will have what appears to be a little gear on it. Click on it and a little box will drop down and you will see a "delete post" option. True, but for some reason it is not there anymore to delete a post. I used it a few times myself when a post doubled up. It was there( the option)on the arrow next to the gear. Go figure? Although I have not seen a double post by WW. OOOps now it is there again.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 18:19:27 GMT -6
why can't I just delete a duplicate post? You can! Look at the icon to the far right of the quote, edit, and thumbs up icons; it will have what appears to be a little gear on it. Click on it and a little box will drop down and you will see a "delete post" option. Ohhh. Duh. Thanks a bunch!!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 18:23:24 GMT -6
Also on the news tonight, 3 inmates escaped, 2 of them in for murder. Committed assault while escaping. DUH South Carolina detention center. Two are 'charged with murder', one is 'charged with grand larceny and car jacking'. I didn't see anything about an assault, except on a previous (unrelated) attempt escape a year ago. And, when I read your comment '2 of them in for murder', I assumed you'd meant they were convicted of murder. Anyway, no worries. All cleared up now.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 18:27:12 GMT -6
South Carolina detention center. Two are 'charged with murder', one is 'charged with grand larceny and car jacking'. I didn't see anything about an assault, except on a previous (unrelated) attempt escape a year ago. And, when I read your comment '2 of them in for murder', I assumed you'd meant they were convicted of murder. Anyway, no worries. All cleared up now. No I just said , charged with murder. To make totally clear, on lock down waiting for trial. OK Is that clear?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:05:29 GMT -6
I didn't see anything about an assault, except on a previous (unrelated) attempt escape a year ago. And, when I read your comment '2 of them in for murder', I assumed you'd meant they were convicted of murder. Anyway, no worries. All cleared up now. No I just said , charged with murder. Not in your first post about it. Really, WD, it's not a problem. Where did you hear they were on lock-down? Also, I'm not finding a thing about an assault while they escaped.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:08:22 GMT -6
You can! Look at the icon to the far right of the quote, edit, and thumbs up icons; it will have what appears to be a little gear on it. Click on it and a little box will drop down and you will see a "delete post" option. True, but for some reason it is not there anymore to delete a post. I used it a few times myself when a post doubled up. It was there( the option)on the arrow next to the gear. Go figure? Although I have not seen a double post by WW. OOOps now it is there again. I edited my duplicate post to ask the question about deleting a post
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 19:16:55 GMT -6
No I just said , charged with murder. Not in your first post about it. Really, WD, it's not a problem. Where did you hear they were on lock-down? Also, I'm not finding a thing about an assault while they escaped. On the news they were in lock down until trial. During the escape one or maybe all of them overpowered a correctional officer, that would be assault.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 19:27:42 GMT -6
True, but for some reason it is not there anymore to delete a post. I used it a few times myself when a post doubled up. It was there( the option)on the arrow next to the gear. Go figure? Although I have not seen a double post by WW. OOOps now it is there again. I edited my duplicate post to ask the question about deleting a post Good you did fine the option. Or a way around it, do you see where you can delete a dup now?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:30:14 GMT -6
Not in your first post about it. Really, WD, it's not a problem. Where did you hear they were on lock-down? Also, I'm not finding a thing about an assault while they escaped. On the news they were in lock down until trial. Hmm... Typically prisoners aren't on lock-down without cause. If the news is right, SC doesn't have very good 'lock-down' procedures.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:33:27 GMT -6
Not in your first post about it. Really, WD, it's not a problem. Where did you hear they were on lock-down? Also, I'm not finding a thing about an assault while they escaped. On the news they were in lock down until trial. During the escape one or maybe all of them overpowered a correctional officer, that would be assault. I just find it weird that they're kind of downplaying the whole thing except that 2 of them are still at large and considered dangerous. One was caught (or turned himself in).
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:35:12 GMT -6
I edited my duplicate post to ask the question about deleting a post Good you did fine the option. Or a way around it, do you see where you can delete a dup now? Yes, I see it now.... But, if I do it now, then this entire off-topic conversation will seem really stupid, and ya know there's someone who might smack us around. LOL
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 19:42:22 GMT -6
On the news they were in lock down until trial. Hmm... Typically prisoners aren't on lock-down without cause. If the news is right, SC doesn't have very good 'lock-down' procedures. There are holding cells in jail. There is cause just waiting for trial.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 20, 2018 19:46:00 GMT -6
On the news they were in lock down until trial. During the escape one or maybe all of them overpowered a correctional officer, that would be assault. I just find it weird that they're kind of downplaying the whole thing except that 2 of them are still at large and considered dangerous. One was caught (or turned himself in). I think( not sure ) the third one was caught.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 9:10:31 GMT -6
Hmm... Typically prisoners aren't on lock-down without cause. If the news is right, SC doesn't have very good 'lock-down' procedures. There are holding cells in jail. There is cause just waiting for trial. Yes. Holding cells. This is the first time I've heard them called 'lock-down' though.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 21, 2018 9:27:04 GMT -6
There are holding cells in jail. There is cause just waiting for trial. Yes. Holding cells. This is the first time I've heard them called 'lock-down' though. Came online to see whats new, you still stuck on nitpick'in this?
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Post by bernard on May 22, 2018 2:47:19 GMT -6
South Carolina detention center. Two are 'charged with murder', one is 'charged with grand larceny and car jacking'. That's what I just said, two are charged with murder. To add. According to news *also on escape one of them committed assault) Charged? So not yet convicted? Why don't we execute them before trial, and end the risk of this kind of thing? It's the only way to be sure. Who's with me?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 22, 2018 7:23:04 GMT -6
That's what I just said, two are charged with murder. To add. According to news *also on escape one of them committed assault) Charged? So not yet convicted? Why don't we execute them before trial, and end the risk of this kind of thing? It's the only way to be sure. Who's with me? Yep, jailed & being held on murder "charges:"
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Post by whitediamonds on May 22, 2018 8:14:43 GMT -6
That's what I just said, two are charged with murder. To add. According to news *also on escape one of them committed assault) Why don't we execute them before trial, and end the risk of this kind of thing? We did confine them & still run the risk of escape. Oh, another crime they will be charged with too.Hopefully not another murder charge though.
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Post by supermax on Jun 1, 2018 14:52:20 GMT -6
how does one undo capital murder ? That is the question for any anti to actually answer - I am still waiting after many years. What is the pro's answer to this question? How can you measure a murder Bernard ? I measure it as the ultimate crime - there is no actual or justifiable retribution available - that society has accorded the ultimate punishment for the crime is in my view the only appropriate response - how can a murderer actually justify a murder through incarceration - its SO easy to reapeat a question - Bernard how do you think that incarceration is actually justice ?
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Post by supermax on Jun 1, 2018 15:04:24 GMT -6
How sad is this.... seeing people take philosophical positions, economic positions and political positions - they are overtly moot points - do any of you actually think that your posturing at any level equates to justice ? To be clear, there is punishment for the commission of crime, there is vengeance for the commission of crime and there is possibility in some cases of rehabilitation for crime ... none of this undoes the crime............. how does one undo capital murder ? That is the question for any anti to actually answer - I am still waiting after many years. I think you're asking the wrong question of the wrong people. Obviously murder (capital or not) cannot be undone. It's pros who choose which cases are capital, which ones should be plea bargained down, which ones will likely bring a death sentence (from pros). It's pros who sit on juries and decide the fate of DP eligible murder. It's pros who want to pick and choose which murders are worse than the others. Talk to them. So you think there is no justice ? Society thinks there is justice when punishment is enacted. Thats the actual purpose of the Death Penalty. If you commit capital murder you are at risk of being exterminated as a scurge to society. We have achieved Brexit by political means - the death penalty will be our next target - there is no justice unless there is sociertal retribution - what is that retribution to society - zero - not possible - the only answer is to enact the sentence. Society "aka" democracy to decide. Ps. your empahsis on "pros" is ridiculous and laughable - it is an entire society that decides on law (thought given you could type and had access to internet you would know that)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 20:12:25 GMT -6
I think you're asking the wrong question of the wrong people. Obviously murder (capital or not) cannot be undone. It's pros who choose which cases are capital, which ones should be plea bargained down, which ones will likely bring a death sentence (from pros). It's pros who sit on juries and decide the fate of DP eligible murder. It's pros who want to pick and choose which murders are worse than the others. Talk to them. So you think there is no justice ? Society thinks there is justice when punishment is enacted. Thats the actual purpose of the Death Penalty. If you commit capital murder you are at risk of being exterminated as a scurge to society. We have achieved Brexit by political means - the death penalty will be our next target - there is no justice unless there is sociertal retribution - what is that retribution to society - zero - not possible - the only answer is to enact the sentence. Society "aka" democracy to decide. Ps. your empahsis on "pros" is ridiculous and laughable - it is an entire society that decides on law (thought given you could type and had access to internet you would know that) Pros hold fast to Capital Punishment. Pros (prosecutors) decide which murder cases are good enough to bring before a DP jury. Pros (who sit on juries) who decide if a murderer should die for his heinous actions. Pros who pick and choose which murderers to kill and which ones not to kill. Antis do NONE of that. I don't know about you, but I've NEVER once seen on a ballot 'should we keep DP'. Until I've been asked to vote on a topic, my part (anti part) of society did not decide on law. Our 'justice' is arbitrary and therefore, meaningless. 'We' want justice and vengeance only for some murder victims. Most of those who support capital punishment, only want it for some really icky murders ~ or white murder victims ~ preferring to release the vast majority of those who kill, because most of them won't be killing us white folks anyway. As you probably know already, I do not support CP. I also do not support release of murderers. The vast majority of murderers will be released, even while a few get a death sentence. You consider that just? I do not. If a system only punishes a few with death, for the same horrific crime they ALL committed, then how can we pretend we're a just society? I want them all removed forever from society. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jun 2, 2018 8:57:44 GMT -6
Non sense, anti's too pick pick & choose where too end life, in many area's of life. Taking a life is just a pick & choose. We have 3 degrees of murder for killers & a jury trial. Some of the pick & choose to end life have one deciding.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jun 2, 2018 9:56:49 GMT -6
So you think there is no justice ? Society thinks there is justice when punishment is enacted. Thats the actual purpose of the Death Penalty. If you commit capital murder you are at risk of being exterminated as a scurge to society. We have achieved Brexit by political means - the death penalty will be our next target - there is no justice unless there is sociertal retribution - what is that retribution to society - zero - not possible - the only answer is to enact the sentence. Society "aka" democracy to decide. Ps. your empahsis on "pros" is ridiculous and laughable - it is an entire society that decides on law (thought given you could type and had access to internet you would know that) Pros hold fast to Capital Punishment. Pros (prosecutors) decide which murder cases are good enough to bring before a DP jury. Pros (who sit on juries) who decide if a murderer should die for his heinous actions. Pros who pick and choose which murderers to kill and which ones not to kill. Antis do NONE of that. I don't know about you, but I've NEVER once seen on a ballot 'should we keep DP'. Until I've been asked to vote on a topic, my part (anti part) of society did not decide on law. Our 'justice' is arbitrary and therefore, meaningless. 'We' want justice and vengeance only for some murder victims. Most of those who support capital punishment, only want it for some really icky murders ~ or white murder victims ~ preferring to release the vast majority of those who kill, because most of them won't be killing us white folks anyway. As you probably know already, I do not support CP. I also do not support release of murderers. The vast majority of murderers will be released, even while a few get a death sentence. You consider that just? I do not. If a system only punishes a few with death, for the same horrific crime they ALL committed, then how can we pretend we're a just society? I want them all removed forever from society. I don't think that's too much to ask. We have so many cultures ( skin colors) why is it always a black & white thing going on? Why?At least where I live, on the news is it always 97 % of the time a black person. Are the security cameras racist too? Police cams many officers wear are racist too. Please WW do not rant on about the poor blacks, it is an insult to the blacks who are poor yet never murder anyone. Actually theyt too are being murdered by their own culture. Why is it majority of other cultures do not scream racist over everything as a ace card. The black leaders need to stop filling there pockets off their culture & step to the plate. There is a double standard going on for sure.
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