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Post by bernard on Apr 25, 2018 14:53:47 GMT -6
good reads, Bernard, good reads. but since we are a society of "headline" readers we will remain forever ignorant. say, what is Chloe going to do? Thanks. I'm not sure I get the Chloe reference though. Who is that? Is it some Kardashian-type celebrity?
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Post by hawg on Apr 25, 2018 16:31:20 GMT -6
good reads, Bernard, good reads. but since we are a society of "headline" readers we will remain forever ignorant. say, what is Chloe going to do? Thanks. I'm not sure I get the Chloe reference though. Who is that? Is it some Kardashian-type celebrity? yeah, I just noticed it's actually spelled with a K. how can we ever take time out to understand the gun issue when there is so much Kardashian drama to keep up with??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 17:17:20 GMT -6
In what way is the press lying? You can't be serious. How about the misleading, misnomer "assault weapon", then it's pretty much downhill from there. Say, by the way, you're not one of those that thinks the "AR" in AR-15 stands for assault rifle or automatic rifle are you? The press seems to think so. Well, the press is usually about reporting what others say/do, not about stating their own opinions (except OP-EDs), but they do sometimes get things wrong, and often don't do the research they should, and alas, misquote. That's why I try to research. Still, I don't think they are deliberately lying. AR stands for ArmaLite rifle. Google knows everything;~) ~ well, almost as much as Bernard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 17:46:28 GMT -6
In what way is the press lying? I'm not meaning to beat up on you on this point, but I'm absolutely dumbfounded that you think the press is being unbiased and truthfull about the NRA. Have you seen even one positive story on the NRA? Let me put it into perspective. It's been a year or so since I checked but at one time African Americans made up about 13% of our population. They committed 50% of all homicides and I believe about 65% of all other major crimes. Does the press blame the NAACP? Why not? In the last decade or so drunk drivers killed from 11 to 15 thousand people each year. THOUSANDS not a couple hundred from AR15 rifles, THOUSANDS. Does the press blame the AAA? Ford? Chevy? Hell, we dont even blame Coors or Miller. But what are they saying about the NRA? An organization that has nothing to do with any of these shootings, none of their members has anything to do with them, they don't endorse or justify in any way "people" committing these killings. Not to mention manufactures who have nothing to do with these events. Now be honest with yourself when you tell me what the press is saying about the NRA. I've seen unbiased reporting about the NRA. I don't think the NRA is being demonized by the press so much as by those who want someone/something to blame. The marches going on since the Parkland shooting are news. So, of course, is the fact that the NRA has the most donations after a school shooting, like the Parkland school shootings and Sandy Hook. Seems like all this bad publicity you speak of by the 'lying press' isn't hurting the NRA. Maybe the contrary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 18:07:02 GMT -6
Bernard, I tried to go to the USA site and got a big flashing thing and a warning that it wasn't safe. Anyway, I read it through here, and then went back to see what you were saying they were actually doing. I get what you're saying and don't disagree. It's why I endeavor to look for other sources whenever I read some bit of news that sounds even a bit biased, or facts or some truth has been left out or manipulated. I just don't think I'll be jumping onto anyone's bandwagon ~ be it the press ~ or the pres ~ or any other.
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Post by hawg on Apr 25, 2018 22:18:33 GMT -6
Well WW, you might have a point. Don't think for a moment that the press is intentionally helping the NRA. It probably drives them nuts that normal people aren't buying the presses slant. Probably kinda like it must have driven Obama nuts to know that he was the all time greatest gun salesman.
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Post by bernard on Apr 26, 2018 2:14:52 GMT -6
Thanks. I'm not sure I get the Chloe reference though. Who is that? Is it some Kardashian-type celebrity? yeah, I just noticed it's actually spelled with a K. lol, I didn't know either way. I just know there's one called Kim and there's a bunch of others.
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Post by bernard on Apr 26, 2018 2:33:25 GMT -6
Bernard, I tried to go to the USA site and got a big flashing thing and a warning that it wasn't safe. Was it blinking ++WARNING: SLANTED COVERAGE++ over and over? That is peculiar, though. You should run a virus/malware scan.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 26, 2018 5:54:08 GMT -6
. Probably kinda like it must have driven Obama nuts to know that he was the all time greatest gun salesman. True
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 11:04:56 GMT -6
Well WW, you might have a point. Don't think for a moment that the press is intentionally helping the NRA. It probably drives them nuts that normal people aren't buying the presses slant. Probably kinda like it must have driven Obama nuts to know that he was the all time greatest gun salesman. My husband used to work for the local newspaper (wasn't one of those dishonest reporters). Long ago, he told me that the only 'bad' news was the news that wasn't covered. I tend to recognize this all over the place. The tobacco companies that can no longer have tobacco ads, instead like/maybe even create the anti tobacco ads.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 11:06:50 GMT -6
Bernard, I tried to go to the USA site and got a big flashing thing and a warning that it wasn't safe. Was it blinking ++WARNING: SLANTED COVERAGE++ over and over? That is peculiar, though. You should run a virus/malware scan. Did that. Thanks, Bernard. Anyway, I'm trusting that you weren't arguing with a piece you made up.
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Post by hawg on Apr 26, 2018 11:09:05 GMT -6
Well WW, you might have a point. Don't think for a moment that the press is intentionally helping the NRA. It probably drives them nuts that normal people aren't buying the presses slant. Probably kinda like it must have driven Obama nuts to know that he was the all time greatest gun salesman. My husband used to work for the local newspaper (wasn't one of those dishonest reporters). Long ago, he told me that the only 'bad' news was the news that wasn't covered. I tend to recognize this all over the place. The tobacco companies that can no longer have tobacco ads, instead like/maybe even create the anti tobacco ads. Or "bad" news not corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 11:19:24 GMT -6
My husband used to work for the local newspaper (wasn't one of those dishonest reporters). Long ago, he told me that the only 'bad' news was the news that wasn't covered. I tend to recognize this all over the place. The tobacco companies that can no longer have tobacco ads, instead like/maybe even create the anti tobacco ads. Or "bad" news not corrected. No, what I'm saying is that bad news (truthful or not) is NEWS... Let's pretend for a moment that there wasn't a recent school shooting ~ no public outcry for gun control, no student protests. No news. No huge increase in donations to the NRA.
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Post by hawg on Apr 26, 2018 13:21:53 GMT -6
Or "bad" news not corrected. No, what I'm saying is that bad news (truthful or not) is NEWS... Let's pretend for a moment that there wasn't a recent school shooting ~ no public outcry for gun control, no student protests. No news. No huge increase in donations to the NRA. No, "let's pretend" that the news interviews someone from the Brady foundation after as school shooting. after listening to their bs lies the reporter then corrects their errant position or maybe allows a counter point from, oh I don't know, the NRA? That would be correcting "bad" news. Do you know why I started with let's "pretend"?
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Post by oslooskar on Apr 26, 2018 14:15:08 GMT -6
Well, the press is usually about reporting what others say/do, not about stating their own opinions (except OP-EDs), but they do sometimes get things wrong, and often don't do the research they should, and alas, misquote. That's why I try to research. Still, I don't think they are deliberately lying. Now I know why you're called "wonderwoman".
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Post by bernard on Apr 27, 2018 1:25:18 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 13:10:59 GMT -6
No, what I'm saying is that bad news (truthful or not) is NEWS... Let's pretend for a moment that there wasn't a recent school shooting ~ no public outcry for gun control, no student protests. No news. No huge increase in donations to the NRA. No, "let's pretend" that the news interviews someone from the Brady foundation after as school shooting. after listening to their bs lies the reporter then corrects their errant position or maybe allows a counter point from, oh I don't know, the NRA? That would be correcting "bad" news. Do you know why I started with let's "pretend"? Not sure what your point is, aside from EVERY organization having an agenda. My point is that bad or good, NEWS is better than no news. Seems like every agenda you disagree with, or news article you don't feel is fair, is 'bs lies', not at all surprising in this case, since you support the NRA. (Not suggesting you shouldn't). Only trying to say that we should all endeavor to read everything with an open mind, and when possible, go to more than one source before deciding what we believe to be is truth. (I'll look into the Brady Campaign when I have time to do so.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 13:13:06 GMT -6
Well, the press is usually about reporting what others say/do, not about stating their own opinions (except OP-EDs), but they do sometimes get things wrong, and often don't do the research they should, and alas, misquote. That's why I try to research. Still, I don't think they are deliberately lying. Now I know why you're called "wonderwoman". I'm called WonderWoman because I spend a great deal of time wondering. I think we should all do a little more of that. And a whole lot less time talking.
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 27, 2018 13:40:48 GMT -6
My point is that bad or good, NEWS is better than no news. I disagree. Most "news" now is sloppily researched and hysterically reported. The commonweal is better off paying no attention to it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 13:50:01 GMT -6
My point is that bad or good, NEWS is better than no news. I disagree. Most "news" now is sloppily researched and hysterically reported. The commonweal is better off paying no attention to it. You misunderstand me. I don't mean that any news is better for us (the commonwealth). It's better for business, for the bottom line of industries dependent upon publicity.
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 27, 2018 14:11:07 GMT -6
You misunderstand me. I don't mean that any news is better for us (the commonwealth). It's better for business, for the bottom line of industries dependent upon publicity. It's commonweal, not commonwealth. They're two different things. You have a point there. If I had the money, I'd hire someone to kill the Internet, altogether. That would be so much fun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 17:29:42 GMT -6
You misunderstand me. I don't mean that any news is better for us (the commonwealth). It's better for business, for the bottom line of industries dependent upon publicity. It's commonweal, not commonwealth. They're two different things. You have a point there. If I had the money, I'd hire someone to kill the Internet, altogether. That would be so much fun. But, then, where would you find people like me ~ or Bernard? Come on, you know you love us. BTW, I'd read commonweal is archaic for commonwealth, so I looked ~ because my memory is crap anymore. Merriam-Webster's 1st is precisely that. The 2nd usage is 'the general welfare'. At dictionary.com it's just the opposite. Since we're both talking about 'the general good' in this instance, I am indeed wrong in my usage. Thanks Joe.
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 27, 2018 20:48:45 GMT -6
where would you find people like me ~ or Bernard? Come on, you know you love us. The suffering would be worth it. Seriously, we'd all be better off without the Internet.
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Post by hawg on Apr 27, 2018 21:35:45 GMT -6
No, "let's pretend" that the news interviews someone from the Brady foundation after as school shooting. after listening to their bs lies the reporter then corrects their errant position or maybe allows a counter point from, oh I don't know, the NRA? That would be correcting "bad" news. Do you know why I started with let's "pretend"? Not sure what your point is, aside from EVERY organization having an agenda. My point is that bad or good, NEWS is better than no news. Seems like every agenda you disagree with, or news article you don't feel is fair, is 'bs lies', not at all surprising in this case, since you support the NRA. (Not suggesting you shouldn't). Only trying to say that we should all endeavor to read everything with an open mind, and when possible, go to more than one source before deciding what we believe to be is truth. (I'll look into the Brady Campaign when I have time to do so.) And my whole point is that it is a shame one has check several sources and do separate research to "qualify" a news story. Why listen to or believe any of them?
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Post by hawg on Apr 27, 2018 21:37:55 GMT -6
You misunderstand me. I don't mean that any news is better for us (the commonwealth). It's better for business, for the bottom line of industries dependent upon publicity. If I had the money, I'd hire someone to kill the Internet, altogether. Where can I send my donation? *sigh* I miss the seventies *sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:49:09 GMT -6
Not sure what your point is, aside from EVERY organization having an agenda. My point is that bad or good, NEWS is better than no news. Seems like every agenda you disagree with, or news article you don't feel is fair, is 'bs lies', not at all surprising in this case, since you support the NRA. (Not suggesting you shouldn't). Only trying to say that we should all endeavor to read everything with an open mind, and when possible, go to more than one source before deciding what we believe to be is truth. (I'll look into the Brady Campaign when I have time to do so.) And my whole point is that it is a shame one has check several sources and do separate research to "qualify" a news story. Why listen to or believe any of them? Ok. I have no argument to that. We shouldn't have to.
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Post by hawg on May 23, 2018 20:45:54 GMT -6
It seems like the santa fe Texas school shooting isn't getting the media mileage that the parkland Florida school shooting got. Is it because an AR15 style gun wasn't used? That was my first guess but gun grabbers hate all guns so that doesn't fit. What say ya'll? What media agenda is missing?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 17:24:04 GMT -6
... and next school shooting at a middle school in Noblesville, Indiana, where teacher, Jason Seaman, heroically stopped the shooter, taking 3 bullets himself. One student hit, and is said to be in critical condition. Mr Seaman has had surgery and is doing well. <insert bowing smiley>
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Post by hawg on May 26, 2018 19:27:17 GMT -6
... and next school shooting at a middle school in Noblesville, Indiana, where teacher, Jason Seaman, heroically stopped the shooter, taking 3 bullets himself. One student hit, and is said to be in critical condition. Mr Seaman has had surgery and is doing well. <insert bowing smiley> I can see why they don't cover this one. Media wants victims not hero's.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 11:04:40 GMT -6
... and next school shooting at a middle school in Noblesville, Indiana, where teacher, Jason Seaman, heroically stopped the shooter, taking 3 bullets himself. One student hit, and is said to be in critical condition. Mr Seaman has had surgery and is doing well. <insert bowing smiley> I can see why they don't cover this one. Media wants victims not hero's. If they hadn't covered it, I wouldn't have known. What do ya'll think of this teacher's strategy? (Has NOTHING to do with guns) www.rd.com/advice/parenting/stop-bullying-strategy/
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