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Post by rayozz on Feb 24, 2018 2:23:05 GMT -6
Instead of decreasing guns available, it only makes it worse.
I was a teacher in Australian secondary schools (ages 12-18) for about 40 years. In that time there is no way I would let many of those teachers have a gun. As peaceful as I am, there are times when I wanted to hit a kid, but did not. There were other teachers that used violence to exercise control over students. I'd hate to give them a gun.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 24, 2018 9:56:57 GMT -6
Increase guns?
Are you saying teachers would shoot a student when angry?
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Post by hawg on Feb 24, 2018 11:26:46 GMT -6
Increase guns? Are you saying teachers would shoot a student when angry? yeah, that's a strange excuse. teachers have ALWAYS been able to sneak a gun in and shoot students, but they haven't, wonder why people think they'll do it now?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 24, 2018 19:22:06 GMT -6
Increase guns? Are you saying teachers would shoot a student when angry? yeah, that's a strange excuse. teachers have ALWAYS been able to sneak a gun in and shoot students, but they haven't, wonder why people think they'll do it now? lol Seems to me the teacher who got killed used his body to protect the kids.
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Post by hawg on Feb 24, 2018 21:13:11 GMT -6
I have no clue as to that teachers views of firearms, but I wonder if he wouldn't have given his pension for a handgun at that time.
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Post by rayozz on Feb 25, 2018 4:14:32 GMT -6
Increase guns? Are you saying teachers would shoot a student when angry? Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.
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Post by rayozz on Feb 25, 2018 4:40:14 GMT -6
Here is a bit of an article from an American newspaper. Sums up my beliefs:
"Leaving aside the issues of training, equipment and skill, we should also consider that teachers themselves are not immune to mental illness, nor spared the stresses that can cause any person to do something terrible with a gun. We see it happen with mass shooters in offices. We should not take the risk of it happening in a classroom with children."
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 25, 2018 9:27:38 GMT -6
Here is a bit of an article from an American newspaper. Sums up my beliefs: "Leaving aside the issues of training, equipment and skill, we should also consider that teachers themselves are not immune to mental illness, nor spared the stresses that can cause any person to do something terrible with a gun. We see it happen with mass shooters in offices. We should not take the risk of it happening in a classroom with children." Anything is possible. No one knows what is really in someones mind. Yet, I am sure teachers "not all" own a gun too. And could have brought a gun into school easily. Has not happened. So, lets stick with where the issues are, many dropped the ball ,even way before he opened fire inside the school. To this day the school shootings have been "young" " boys" killing, the "young"& teachers. Workplace shootings are not as common. That is done by older " men". To add. Question. When you use the word gun are you talking all guns ( hand guns) or AR type rifles?
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Post by hawg on Feb 25, 2018 11:43:25 GMT -6
Here is a bit of an article from an American newspaper. Sums up my beliefs: "Leaving aside the issues of training, equipment and skill, we should also consider that teachers themselves are not immune to mental illness, nor spared the stresses that can cause any person to do something terrible with a gun. We see it happen with mass shooters in offices. We should not take the risk of it happening in a classroom with children." yes, and i suppose there is also the terrible risk of an armed teacher/administrator stopping a shooting that is ALREADY happening in classrooms. while there is absolutely no gaurantee that having a defensive gun will help, it is 100% gauranteed that NOT having one won't help.
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Post by rayozz on Feb 26, 2018 1:10:21 GMT -6
We are in different countries, and with a different view to gun control.
As a view to guns, I refer to all. That means a handgun or an automatic rifle.
Males doing the shooting? What about the Boomtown Rats song "I Don't Like Mondays" where Brenda Spencer took shots at an elementary school. She killed two an wounded eight others.
We are not totally free of guns in Australia. Farmers can have semi-automatic weapons for pests like wild pigs etc. and individuals can have single shot rifles for rabbit hunting. I think!
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Post by hawg on Feb 26, 2018 11:43:38 GMT -6
and apparently a different view to personal rights and freedoms.........and costs.
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Post by hawg on Feb 26, 2018 11:59:48 GMT -6
obviously we can discuss guns in schools, concealed carry, the validity of private AR rifle ownership forever and never come to a 100% perfect answer. the only thing that is 100% for sure is that EVERY victim or potential victim in EVERY mass shooting is hoping, praying, screaming for more people to show up with more guns. and you can bet THEY will be carrying AR rifles. wonder why?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 26, 2018 14:00:58 GMT -6
We are in different countries, and with a different view to gun control. As a view to guns, I refer to all. That means a handgun or an automatic rifle. Males doing the shooting? What about the Boomtown Rats song "I Don't Like Mondays" where Brenda Spencer took shots at an elementary school. She killed two an wounded eight others. We are not totally free of guns in Australia. Farmers can have semi-automatic weapons for pests like wild pigs etc. and individuals can have single shot rifles for rabbit hunting. I think! Of course you have a different view. Glad no guns mostly works for you all 100%. This Brenda you speak of is rare for a female, I can give examples of the school & theaters shootings they were boys/men. Terrorist women are a different story, women too get radicalized, & hit many countries not just the USA. The media here never or seldom shows how many lives were saved due to our right to defend ourselves. Millions of us own a gun legally & never went on a rampage to kill. That is the good side of America, no one wants to talk about us millions. We have many hero's here.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 27, 2018 20:18:32 GMT -6
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Post by bernard on Feb 27, 2018 22:52:18 GMT -6
Instead of decreasing guns available, it only makes it worse. I was a teacher in Australian secondary schools (ages 12-18) for about 40 years. In that time there is no way I would let many of those teachers have a gun. As peaceful as I am, there are times when I wanted to hit a kid, but did not. There were other teachers that used violence to exercise control over students. I'd hate to give them a gun. You're assuming that the only variant of this solution is to have the guns on the teachers' hip at all times, ready to be pulled when they're angry. But a viable proposal is to put the guns in secure lockers or safes, to be opened by authorized teachers only when there is a lockdown. Even though that would increase response time, it would still be orders of magnitude faster than waiting for the cops. I guess the more general question is: If you can trust in the professionalism of police, why not trust in the professionalism of teachers?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 28, 2018 17:21:28 GMT -6
Seems to me a few teachers here in the US, love a student too much. Is an issue, not shooting them. A few teachers having sex with a student have been caught , both male teachers & even female teachers.
The teacher in the recent school shooting died, he did not save students using his body as a bullet proof vest. He was just another soft target along with the whole school. Sad.
To make it clear, I am not a Rep or Dem. I am for whatever makes sense for the times we're in.
I have never been a member of the NRA. I believe, we have a right to defend & the right to own a gun. Be it protecting ourselves from a wild pig, or a madman. Yes, this guy bought a gun legally..WTH ? Needs to be fixed. Much stiffer background checks, raise age to own a gun.
6,000 lives were lost due to cell phones, so lets ban cell phones. Thousands of life lost due to drunk drivers, lets ban cars.
We do not need to be gun free, as millions of responsible people legally own guns/rifles for years & never went on a rampage to kill.
One major complicated issue is types of guns on the black market . Or how many other countries can you just kick the door open & get all the benefits or sneak in thru tunnels with weapons & drugs? Background checks needed not break in.
Sort of off topic, being native american heritage odd how Euro's brought guns when all natives had were bow's and arrows, including alcohol introduced too. Just say'ing
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Post by bernard on Mar 1, 2018 1:22:36 GMT -6
Seems to me a few teachers here in the US, love a student too much. Is an issue, not shooting them. A few teachers having sex with a student have been caught , both male teachers & even female teachers. Can always rely on you to introduce a fascinating tangent. Gimme a break. You're a Republican. The easy answer. Blame it on the immigrants.
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 1, 2018 8:16:40 GMT -6
Seems to me a few teachers here in the US, love a student too much. Is an issue, not shooting them. A few teachers having sex with a student have been caught , both male teachers & even female teachers. Can always rely on you to introduce a fascinating tangent. Gimme a break. You're a Republican. The easy answer. Blame it on the immigrants. Really? I was just thinking that razor posted if teachers had a gun, they would shoot a student if angry. Here in the US No teacher has shot a student, here we have a problem with teachers ( some) having sex with them. Yeah glad you know me so well, I voted for Obama his first term, dang, did not know he is a DEM. lol Not his 2nd term though. Also it is ironic who introduced guns & booze .. Only against illegal entry. Illegal !!!
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Post by bernard on Mar 1, 2018 17:11:46 GMT -6
Yeah glad you know me so well, I voted for Obama his first term, dang, did not know he is a DEM. lol Not his 2nd term though. Which of Obama's policy proposals won your support in '08, and what changed by 2012?
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 1, 2018 18:08:37 GMT -6
Yeah glad you know me so well, I voted for Obama his first term, dang, did not know he is a DEM. lol Not his 2nd term though. Which of Obama's policy proposals won your support in '08, and what changed by 2012? A great speaker for one, fresh views, sense of humor, & I did not like who was running against him. Appeared to be what we needed at the time. None of your business which policy proposals won my support. I won't get into what changed by 2012. Thank God his 8 yrs is over.
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Post by bernard on Mar 2, 2018 3:52:06 GMT -6
Which of Obama's policy proposals won your support in '08, and what changed by 2012? A great speaker for one, fresh views, sense of humor, & I did not like who was running against him. Appeared to be what we needed at the time. None of your business which policy proposals won my support. Strangely defensive. You're not usually so reticent in revealing your political opinion. Why not?
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 2, 2018 9:24:30 GMT -6
A great speaker for one, fresh views, sense of humor, & I did not like who was running against him. Appeared to be what we needed at the time. None of your business which policy proposals won my support. Strangely defensive. You're not usually so reticent in revealing your political opinion. Why not? Why should I ? Why should it matter? Why do you think it changed by 2012? Why? What difference does it make to you?
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Post by bernard on Mar 2, 2018 11:12:17 GMT -6
Strangely defensive. You're not usually so reticent in revealing your political opinion. Why not? Why should I ? Why should it matter? Why do you think it changed by 2012? Why? What difference does it make to you? "Well, whitediamonds it's nice that we can at least enjoy civil conversation on such a sunny day. Don't you think the weather is lovely?" "What business is it of yours what I think? Why should it matter? What difference does it make to you?"
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Post by oslooskar on Mar 13, 2018 23:15:38 GMT -6
Thank God his 8 yrs is over. I agree! When Obama signed the NDAA which allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge or trial I knew he was a rat.
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 15, 2018 15:03:59 GMT -6
Thank God his 8 yrs is over. I agree! When Obama signed the NDAA which allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge or trial I knew he was a rat. Rat? That's mildly putting it. lol
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Post by bernard on Mar 17, 2018 23:39:45 GMT -6
I agree! When Obama signed the NDAA which allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge or trial I knew he was a rat. Rat? That's mildly putting it. lol What objections would you add to the one that oskar raises?
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 19, 2018 8:24:31 GMT -6
Reading where some people on the internet appear to be more outraged at kids walking out of school to protest, than kids being carried out of school in body bags.
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Post by bernard on Mar 20, 2018 16:27:58 GMT -6
Reading where some people on the internet appear to be more outraged at kids walking out of school to protest, than kids being carried out of school in body bags. That's hardly Obama's fault.
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 22, 2018 16:00:45 GMT -6
In the state I live in we have a small number of schools approx 170 that have some armed teachers & staff.
I am not real confident this is going to do good or harm. At the same time we cannot have a school of unarmed staff or some teachers for sure. The few schools so far are hoping that is a deterrent at least.
If there was a shooter that may just complicated it for when police respond at the scene too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:30:41 GMT -6
Arming teachers will make matters worse, IMO. Someone who wants to murder as many people as possible won't be deterred. Rather, he'll be more determined and he'll find a way, and quite possibly with even more death and destruction.
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