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Post by bernard on Jan 9, 2018 17:49:47 GMT -6
Neither did the Reverend Agave, and yet it was hard to believe he was for real. One thing we agree on Bernard, about the Rev. Same here. I have thought's on that too. Was he "clowning around to make pros's look like fools? He made everyone look like fools, if you ask me. I miss the good Reverend.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 9, 2018 17:56:46 GMT -6
One thing we agree on Bernard, about the Rev. Same here. I have thought's on that too. Was he "clowning around to make pros's look like fools? He made everyone look like fools, if you ask me. I miss the good Reverend. He brought the shock factor to this site. lol
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 10, 2018 8:54:55 GMT -6
Neither did the Reverend Agave, and yet it was hard to believe he was for real. He masked his identity. I did not, and never have.
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Post by oslooskar on Jan 10, 2018 12:28:15 GMT -6
He masked his identity. I did not, and never have. That's one of the reasons why I've always doubted your sanity.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 10, 2018 13:31:30 GMT -6
That's one of the reasons why I've always doubted your sanity. Why, because I stand for something? How can I take you seriously when you refuse to identify yourself.
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Post by bernard on Jan 10, 2018 15:33:17 GMT -6
Neither did the Reverend Agave, and yet it was hard to believe he was for real. He masked his identity. I did not, and never have. How does that help anyone to be sure that, if you were in a position to send a murderer to his death, you would have the courage of your professed convictions? Most pros don't. And you're a pro. Why should we think that you, and you alone, are so very different?
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 10, 2018 16:15:38 GMT -6
How does that help anyone to be sure that, if you were in a position to send a murderer to his death, you would have the courage of your professed convictions? I've always been opposed to indeterminate sentencing, and that includes sentencing in murder cases. Most pros don't. And you're a pro. Why should we think that you, and you alone, are so very different Because I have never made a big deal about the heinousness of a crime or about any individual murderer. None of that matters to me.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 10, 2018 19:28:51 GMT -6
One thing we agree on Bernard, about the Rev. Same here. I have thought's on that too. Was he "clowning around to make pros's look like fools? He made everyone look like fools, if you ask me. I miss the good Reverend. I think his avatar spoke for itself.
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Post by oslooskar on Jan 10, 2018 22:02:01 GMT -6
Why, because I stand for something? No, because you put yourself and your family at risk by revealing your name. How can I take you seriously when you refuse to identify yourself. By simply weighing the merits of my arguments-------which would tell you far more about me than my name. After all, "What's in a name?"
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Post by bernard on Jan 11, 2018 0:39:46 GMT -6
How does that help anyone to be sure that, if you were in a position to send a murderer to his death, you would have the courage of your professed convictions? I've always been opposed to indeterminate sentencing, and that includes sentencing in murder cases. Most pros don't. And you're a pro. Why should we think that you, and you alone, are so very different Because I have never made a big deal about the heinousness of a crime or about any individual murderer. None of that matters to me. So what? Sitting in their armchairs all pros think they will be iron. But by all appearances they lose their nerve when it comes to really passing sentence. What have you done to convince the board that, when that moment comes, your spine will be any stronger?
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 11, 2018 9:54:22 GMT -6
you put yourself and your family at risk by revealing your name. Don't be ridiculous. I've used my name for 13 years without consequence. By simply weighing the merits of my arguments-------which would tell you far more about me than my name. After all, "What's in a name?" Are the arguments truly yours? How is anyone to know? You're a nobody. An Internet Protocol address -- untraceable, unaccountable, meaningless.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 11, 2018 9:59:44 GMT -6
What have you done to convince the board that, when that moment comes, your spine will be any stronger By the "board," you mean you. My family has been the victim of murder, so I don't feel very charitable, and certainly not "Christian," to murderers. All along I've argued for automatic death sentences and the repeal of the Eighth Amendment -- on 14th Amendment grounds. The argument, however, is academic, because Christians hold in very low regard the temporal life, and therefore aren't angry enough about acts of murder to impose punishment consistently. Your expressions of doubt about me aren't persuasive and only weaken your arguments.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 11, 2018 10:55:01 GMT -6
I was exposed to the Roman Catholic teaching,not the bible verse by verse though.
They teach, only God has the right to take a life. They stay consistent there. They believe in a soul, & that the soul goes to another place or places to be judged. In teachings" that is !!! Belief in a soul is a way of taking the fear factor out of death & for those loved ones left behind.
I have to disagree Joe, by their teachings, they hold high temporal regards towards life.
No one can prove or disprove there is a God. Some use only God has the right to take life, is a moot point, not a valid defense again for no DP in a debate. I resent when some use that in a debate Not that you did Joe, just saying.......
Nothing is absolutely painless, in life or death. We all "I would think' that at least death any death is quick & painless as possible.
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Post by oslooskar on Jan 11, 2018 13:30:56 GMT -6
Don't be ridiculous. I've used my name for 13 years without consequence. Most ocean liners sail the seas of this world without consequences but a man would still have to be a fool to book passage on one if he knew it didn't have any lifeboats. Are the arguments truly yours? How is anyone to know? Totally irrelevant! You challenge the argument being presented, not the individual presenting it. You're a nobody. An Internet Protocol address -- untraceable, unaccountable, meaningless. And your point is exactly what?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 11, 2018 14:07:02 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/629095/thread" author=" So what? Sitting in their armchairs all pros think they will be iron. But by all appearances they lose their nerve when it comes to really passing sentence. What have you done to convince the board that, when that moment comes, your spine will be any stronger? [/quote] You do in a majority of your post, paint with a wide brush Bernard. "All """Pro's sitting in their armchairs lose their nerve when it comes to really passing a sentence? Do you have a psychic hot line?
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 11, 2018 15:45:14 GMT -6
by their teachings, they hold high temporal regards towards life. They not only don't, they can't. There is no point trying to sell an imaginary afterlife to the faithful if it's no better than this one. So many of you have the gall to tell the bereaved their loved ones have gone to "a better place." How is murder all that bad given that mentality?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 11, 2018 16:22:58 GMT -6
by their teachings, they hold high temporal regards towards life. They not only don't, they can't. There is no point trying to sell an imaginary afterlife to the faithful if it's no better than this one. So many of you have the gall to tell the bereaved their loved ones have gone to "a better place." How is murder all that bad given that mentality? They teach/believe ( no one can disprove this) the murderer goes to hell. Me? I believe we get some insight on earth of heaven & hell. At least they do not teach take your life along with many innocents & you will have 20 virgins waiting for you.
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Post by oslooskar on Jan 11, 2018 16:48:33 GMT -6
you will have 20 virgins waiting for you. NO THANKS! If they're still virgins in the afterlife that means they were too homely in this life and nobody wanted a roll in the hay with them.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 11, 2018 17:17:07 GMT -6
you will have 20 virgins waiting for you. NO THANKS! If they're still virgins in the afterlife that means they were too homely in this life and nobody wanted a roll in the hay with them. Proof of a hell Reminds me of the movie "The Shining" the scene with the beautiful nude lady in the tub, when he holds her & they kiss, that is the type of virgins in hell.
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Post by bernard on Jan 12, 2018 0:24:36 GMT -6
Your expressions of doubt about me aren't persuasive and only weaken your arguments. To have the slightest misgivings about the great Joe Phillips is enough to cast all one's arguments into doubt.
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Post by bernard on Jan 12, 2018 0:43:26 GMT -6
You do in a majority of your post, paint with a wide brush Bernard. "All """Pro's sitting in their armchairs lose their nerve when it comes to really passing a sentence? Do you have a psychic hot line? No. I am over generalizing. You're absolutely right to call me out. Let me dial it back. I will say instead that I have heard a great many pros on this board telling me how tough they are. Boasts to make Chuck Norris blush. I have seldom, if ever, heard any of them say they might lose their nerve were they asked to pass the sentence themselves. And yet, despite the majority of people in this nation claiming to be pro, very few murderers ever gaze at the ceiling of the execution chamber. So somebody, somewhere, is failing to follow through on the big talk. I asked Joe if he had any doubts about himself. None whatsoever, and I should feel embarrassed for even asking! Nor would arizonavet, if I asked him, or Rfisher, or spur, should they ever come by again. Remarkable.
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