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Post by nykkic on Jun 7, 2017 9:52:29 GMT -6
good afternoon everyone ... ... for me coming here is returning after more than 10 years .. as well as returning to the subject of the death penalty after leaving it more than 10 years ago ...
.. between 1997 and 2007 I was an anti death penalty activist .. was in touch with people on death row , their familes and in the later years with 2 victims families too .. I was very opinionated about my anti death penalty stance for many years until I left it all in early 2007 ..
WHY? .. was I still opposed to the death penalty ? YES
... but after all I saw, read, experienced during these years did I believe that some crimes are so horrible that the perpretator deserves the death penalty? YES ...
... was it ok as an anti death penalty advocate to stand with the murderers and their families ? YES but NO
I felt it was the right thing to do an a logical consequence to my stance back then to stand with the murders and their families ...at the same time in the latter years before I left that whole DP thing I felt like I am addtionally hurting the MVS if I stood by the murderers too .. I felt I had done things right and wrong at the same time .. so in the end I left all volunatry DP work in early 2007 never to be back again .... would I still be a pen pal or ''friend'' to a person on death row ? .. GOD NO ... I feel that was the part I went absolutely wrong !! to have been opposed to the DP is one thing ... ''cuddling'' murderers despite their crimes is another ... and an additional slap in the face of MVS
...well so now I am here on this board ... reading .. feeling how it feels to re-visit the DP subject after such a long time
... thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings ...
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Post by nykkic on Aug 3, 2017 14:12:50 GMT -6
WHERE ARE:
Grandma Gregs Mom Doc Linda Shawny Joseph Tozzy Eric
the old bunch seems gone ... its been more than 12 years though
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Post by Moonbeam on Aug 3, 2017 21:16:05 GMT -6
Hi Doc and Joseph and Gregs Mom are still around at times. Sadly forums don't seem to be so popular. That's quite a change in your beliefs, however, I understand totally and had a similar journey in the sense that I was squeamish about the death penalty at one time however after speaking to some of the victims families it became clear to me that some people are truly evil and how do you rehabilitate that?
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Post by nykkic on Aug 5, 2017 17:36:30 GMT -6
Hi Doc and Joseph and Gregs Mom are still around at times. Sadly forums don't seem to be so popular. That's quite a change in your beliefs, however, I understand totally and had a similar journey in the sense that I was squeamish about the death penalty at one time however after speaking to some of the victims families it became clear to me that some people are truly evil and how do you rehabilitate that? I agree with you Moonbeam .. the longer you are in this field the more it changes your stances .. cos you see such vile things that oyu never thought was possible .. cos you see the suffering of the MVS families.. even the suffering of the killers families.. it shatters your beliefs and stances .. ...and I agree some people are so evil you can't fix/rehabilitate that ..so is it better to keep them locked up or kill them? .. I dont have the answer so if a state decides to kill them I dont protest it anymore - if a state wants to keep them locked up forever I wont celebrate it anymore .. .and b) yes the board went quiet .. in my time when I was still an active anti DP advocate the board was extremely busy .. every day .. both sides of the DP always present .. its a pity it all got so quiet.. I came back after more than 10 years and it saddened me to see what became of the board
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Post by john - uk on Aug 6, 2017 7:04:39 GMT -6
Sadly, Shawny passed away a few years ago. Some of the others are still around occasionally.
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Post by nykkic on Aug 7, 2017 14:56:26 GMT -6
Sadly, Shawny passed away a few years ago. Some of the others are still around occasionally. oh my god John .. this shocks me and makes me sad .. I did not know what Shawni had left us !! .. ... I really liked her but we lost contact when I traveled all over the world for years ... god bless her ....
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Post by willyb on Aug 9, 2017 4:05:23 GMT -6
good afternoon everyone ... ... for me coming here is returning after more than 10 years .. as well as returning to the subject of the death penalty after leaving it more than 10 years ago ... .. between 1997 and 2007 I was an anti death penalty activist .. was in touch with people on death row , their familes and in the later years with 2 victims families too .. I was very opinionated about my anti death penalty stance for many years until I left it all in early 2007 .. WHY? .. was I still opposed to the death penalty ? YES ... but after all I saw, read, experienced during these years did I believe that some crimes are so horrible that the perpretator deserves the death penalty? YES ... ... was it ok as an anti death penalty advocate to stand with the murderers and their families ? YES but NO I felt it was the right thing to do an a logical consequence to my stance back then to stand with the murders and their families ...at the same time in the latter years before I left that whole DP thing I felt like I am addtionally hurting the MVS if I stood by the murderers too .. I felt I had done things right and wrong at the same time .. so in the end I left all volunatry DP work in early 2007 never to be back again .... would I still be a pen pal or ''friend'' to a person on death row ? .. GOD NO ... I feel that was the part I went absolutely wrong !! to have been opposed to the DP is one thing ... ''cuddling'' murderers despite their crimes is another ... and an additional slap in the face of MVS ...well so now I am here on this board ... reading .. feeling how it feels to re-visit the DP subject after such a long time ... thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings ... I was introduced to the subject of the death penalty by accident. It was when I watched a documentary film about an American serial killer named Ted Bundy. I was around 11 or so, and what he did made me sick to my stomach since the documentary wasn't afraid of going into detail. I am a highly empathetic person so I felt the disgust and suffering of the victims and their families. Towards the end, he was electrocuted.
I think of it as like putting down a rabid dog. Abolishionists are all for ''rehabilitation'' and spending further tax money on luxuries to these kinds of monsters in prison. (Take Norway killer Anders Breivik, who is rewarded with PS3's, 3-roomed cell, typewriter, comfy bed, and a gym! Doesn't that seem backwards to you?) some people simply cannot be rehabilitated.
They also like to throw in the 8th amendment without knowing the context of it. The context of the 8th amendment was for the punishment to fit the crime. I can't recall a time I was ever anti death penalty and if it returned here in the UK I'd welcome it.
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Post by nykkic on Aug 11, 2017 4:51:05 GMT -6
good afternoon everyone ... ... for me coming here is returning after more than 10 years .. as well as returning to the subject of the death penalty after leaving it more than 10 years ago ... .. between 1997 and 2007 I was an anti death penalty activist .. was in touch with people on death row , their familes and in the later years with 2 victims families too .. I was very opinionated about my anti death penalty stance for many years until I left it all in early 2007 .. WHY? .. was I still opposed to the death penalty ? YES ... but after all I saw, read, experienced during these years did I believe that some crimes are so horrible that the perpretator deserves the death penalty? YES ... ... was it ok as an anti death penalty advocate to stand with the murderers and their families ? YES but NO I felt it was the right thing to do an a logical consequence to my stance back then to stand with the murders and their families ...at the same time in the latter years before I left that whole DP thing I felt like I am addtionally hurting the MVS if I stood by the murderers too .. I felt I had done things right and wrong at the same time .. so in the end I left all volunatry DP work in early 2007 never to be back again .... would I still be a pen pal or ''friend'' to a person on death row ? .. GOD NO ... I feel that was the part I went absolutely wrong !! to have been opposed to the DP is one thing ... ''cuddling'' murderers despite their crimes is another ... and an additional slap in the face of MVS ...well so now I am here on this board ... reading .. feeling how it feels to re-visit the DP subject after such a long time ... thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings ... I was introduced to the subject of the death penalty by accident. It was when I watched a documentary film about an American serial killer named Ted Bundy. I was around 11 or so, and what he did made me sick to my stomach since the documentary wasn't afraid of going into detail. I am a highly empathetic person so I felt the disgust and suffering of the victims and their families. Towards the end, he was electrocuted.
I think of it as like putting down a rabid dog. Abolishionists are all for ''rehabilitation'' and spending further tax money on luxuries to these kinds of monsters in prison. (Take Norway killer Anders Breivik, who is rewarded with PS3's, 3-roomed cell, typewriter, comfy bed, and a gym! Doesn't that seem backwards to you?) some people simply cannot be rehabilitated.
They also like to throw in the 8th amendment without knowing the context of it. The context of the 8th amendment was for the punishment to fit the crime. I can't recall a time I was ever anti death penalty and if it returned here in the UK I'd welcome it.
I am afraid you are right when it comes to rehabilitation - some people are so desensitized/or call it just evil that you just cant rehabilitate them!..so what to do ? .. I do not know the solution so how could I be opposed when some states decide to put them down - I will not celebrate executionsbut dont mourn them either - some things remain ugly but still have to be done
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Post by bernard on Aug 27, 2017 13:48:24 GMT -6
I think belief in the possibility of rehabilitation goes down with age. Mine certainly has.
When you're 21, personal change seems very possible. After all, you're coming off the back of two incredible decades of change in your own life.
By the time you're 41, you know several people who have been assholes for decades. You've tried to help a couple of them and it was a waste of everyone's time. Your own personality has been near constant for a long time, despite your best attempts to overcome your own flaws. Human psychology has begun to seem quite rigid. Something that can undergo biological changes in your formative years, but after which is almost set in stone.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 14, 2017 17:04:38 GMT -6
good afternoon everyone ... ... for me coming here is returning after more than 10 years .. as well as returning to the subject of the death penalty after leaving it more than 10 years ago ... .. between 1997 and 2007 I was an anti death penalty activist .. was in touch with people on death row , their familes and in the later years with 2 victims families too .. I was very opinionated about my anti death penalty stance for many years until I left it all in early 2007 .. WHY? .. was I still opposed to the death penalty ? YES ... but after all I saw, read, experienced during these years did I believe that some crimes are so horrible that the perpretator deserves the death penalty? YES ... ... was it ok as an anti death penalty advocate to stand with the murderers and their families ? YES but NO I felt it was the right thing to do an a logical consequence to my stance back then to stand with the murders and their families ...at the same time in the latter years before I left that whole DP thing I felt like I am addtionally hurting the MVS if I stood by the murderers too .. I felt I had done things right and wrong at the same time .. so in the end I left all volunatry DP work in early 2007 never to be back again .... would I still be a pen pal or ''friend'' to a person on death row ? .. GOD NO ... I feel that was the part I went absolutely wrong !! to have been opposed to the DP is one thing ... ''cuddling'' murderers despite their crimes is another ... and an additional slap in the face of MVS ...well so now I am here on this board ... reading .. feeling how it feels to re-visit the DP subject after such a long time ... thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings ... Well welcome back whomever you were before. I will have to say, that being against the dp was one thing but I never understood why people wanted to write to murderers on dr and then tell others what nice people they really were.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 16:17:29 GMT -6
Sadly, Shawny passed away a few years ago. Some of the others are still around occasionally. Oh my!! I'm so sorry to hear that. I liked her!
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