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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 17:39:46 GMT -6
It will improve standards. Right lol . You and fuglyville !!!! Neither of you have standards...AKA Bernard/Honky & Fyglyville the MVS .............. Have you run out of serious arguments?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 17:44:03 GMT -6
Right lol . You and fuglyville !!!! Neither of you have standards...AKA Bernard/Honky & Fyglyville the MVS .............. Have you run out of serious arguments? No you have Honk, lol standards ...
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 18:24:31 GMT -6
Sure the defense attorneys know. Ask them lol
As for your question, You appear to read/understand my English just fine, debating with me for hours. So, no problem.
It is a fair question to ask why make their name public, defense lawyers aren't doing so ? The defense attorney's that work for the state. Public defenders ask them Bernard why not make public the name.
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 8, 2015 18:50:25 GMT -6
Get over it Benard, cry all you want, not happening, too bad, common sense. Serial killer have forfeited their rights when they committ murder and the death penalty will continue, and the reversal of liberal judges overturning the law will start, beginning with Kansas. Defending the right of serial killers to get more rec time and not face Justice won't work. So raise your AK 47 high! The death penalty is Justice, and it works. Justice, that's the American way, like it or not Benard.
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 4:21:02 GMT -6
Get over it Benard, cry all you want, not happening, too bad, common sense. Serial killer have forfeited their rights when they committ murder and the death penalty will continue, and the reversal of liberal judges overturning the law will start, beginning with Kansas. Defending the right of serial killers to get more rec time and not face Justice won't work. So raise your AK 47 high! The death penalty is Justice, and it works. Justice, that's the American way, like it or not Benard. This seems more like cheerleading than argumentation.
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 4:21:12 GMT -6
Have you run out of serious arguments? No you have Honk, lol standards ... So the answer is yes.
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 4:21:42 GMT -6
Sure the defense attorneys know. Ask them lol As for your question, You appear to read/understand my English just fine, debating with me for hours. So, no problem. It is a fair question to ask why make their name public, defense lawyers aren't doing so ? The defense attorney's that work for the state. Public defenders ask them Bernard why not make public the name. I'm not sure what you are saying.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 4:33:27 GMT -6
I believe you stated in one of your post the names were not important to you to be made public?? Correct That's correct. It makes no difference to me. However, I can see the point of those who think that the performance of executioners, just like that of every other government employee, should be public knowledge and accountable to the tax payer. Your counter-argument, that they would have to fear extremists, does not hold weight in my view. The judges, jurors, prosecutors and so on all played a role in sending the man to his death, but their names are a matter of public record with whatever risks that entails. So I don't see why the executioners should be particularly scared. This is a point you have repeatedly failed to address. Finally, someone with common sense.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 4:43:03 GMT -6
Get over it Benard, cry all you want, not happening, too bad, common sense. Serial killer have forfeited their rights when they committ murder and the death penalty will continue, and the reversal of liberal judges overturning the law will start, beginning with Kansas. Defending the right of serial killers to get more rec time and not face Justice won't work. So raise your AK 47 high! The death penalty is Justice, and it works. Justice, that's the American way, like it or not Benard. That's your conception of justice, and you have every right to stand for it - but don't expect everyone else to agree. There are people who defend the "fact" that the death penalty works, just as there are people who defend the "fact" of a flat earth - but luckily for all of us, both are decreasing in number. Maybe you're the one fighting a losing battle?
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 4:44:27 GMT -6
Here is the biggest question of all on this thread.... WHY DOES FUGLY WANT THE NAMES OF THE EXECUTIONERS? She/he is a resident of Norway or so he/she says. IOW, None of his/her dam business. Then you have to ask why would he/she want this information?? Could it be to do to the executioner and his family that other supposedly well meaning antis have done to the victims' families? Does anyone else remember what has happened to some of the MVSs that were posting here when the execution of the murderers of their loved was was nearing? Makes me think that any information will be used for more manipulations and lies. Oh, it's good to have you back - I've missed our discussions
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 9, 2015 7:42:43 GMT -6
Actually Fugey I never expect everyone to agree, I welcome discussion, the facts of the serial killers actions speak for themselves. That is opposed to adp like you, who delete posts and lie about being a surviving family victim. But I welcome your opinion, however ignorant and silly it is. I witnessed an execution, saw Justice upfront. It works, and I'm proud we have the DP in this great nation.
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 9, 2015 7:52:03 GMT -6
Is Norway a country? Where is it located?
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 8:05:02 GMT -6
Actually Fugey I never expect everyone to agree, I welcome discussion, the facts of the serial killers actions speak for themselves. That is opposed to adp like you, who delete posts and lie about being a surviving family victim. But I welcome your opinion, however ignorant and silly it is. I witnessed an execution, saw Justice upfront. It works, and I'm proud we have the DP in this great nation. You claim the death penalty works - but how? It doesn't seem to deter murderers, which is - I'd say - the only thing it might possibly be good for. If you have evidence for something else, do let me know.
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 9, 2015 8:06:29 GMT -6
Just so everyone knows Kansas for Justice is in the process of organizing a movement to recall the judges who improperly vacated the jury decision on a DP case and removed the DP from the state. As with most states the DP has been removed by political judges, NOT the voters. So let's give any support or letters to the Kansas citizens and help them take back there right to vote and remove the politicians who gutlessly appointed the politically motivated judges. CT is next! Go DP team! How's that for chearleading Bernard! And I'm still waiting for Fugey to tell me where Norway is.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 8:08:00 GMT -6
Is Norway a country? Where is it located? West of Sweden, east of the Atlantic Ocean and above Denmark - Northern Europe-ish
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 8:39:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 9:09:34 GMT -6
Here is the biggest question of all on this thread.... WHY DOES FUGLY WANT THE NAMES OF THE EXECUTIONERS? She/he is a resident of Norway or so he/she says. IOW, None of his/her dam business. Then you have to ask why would he/she want this information?? Could it be to do to the executioner and his family that other supposedly well meaning antis have done to the victims' families? Does anyone else remember what has happened to some of the MVSs that were posting here when the execution of the murderers of their loved was was nearing? Makes me think that any information will be used for more manipulations and lies. Oh, it's good to have you back - I've missed our discussions fugly! fugly! fugly! You are glad to have me back. Is this your way of dismissing me and acting like I am inconsequential.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 9:16:21 GMT -6
Actually Fugey I never expect everyone to agree, I welcome discussion, the facts of the serial killers actions speak for themselves. That is opposed to adp like you, who delete posts and lie about being a surviving family victim. But I welcome your opinion, however ignorant and silly it is. I witnessed an execution, saw Justice upfront. It works, and I'm proud we have the DP in this great nation. You claim the death penalty works - but how? It doesn't seem to deter murderers, which is - I'd say - the only thing it might possibly be good for. If you have evidence for something else, do let me know. BTW, did not mean to hit like, meant to hit quote but didn't work out. Maybe I was right the first time. I do like this post because it shows how manipulative you are. That is the simplest thing to prove above anything else. How many executed murderers have murdered again? 100% effective. That was easy next question.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 10:35:04 GMT -6
Also a killer already serving life or less yrs, murders yet again inside those walls.... which does happen, should go thru the fast lane to the DP. 100% they will not have the opportunity to murder again. Inmate escapes & kills yet again outside those walls, should go thru the fast lane to DR. 100% will not murder yet another . DP should always be a part of justice served !!!
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 9, 2015 12:00:18 GMT -6
I can speak from experience that many inmates sentenced death are active killers, Alfredo Prieto had escaped once, stabbed another prisoner, and was caught plotting the movements of a young gaurd for a possible assault. That's fact, that's one recent example. Considering ADP advocates were petitioning the Supreme Court to allow him access to the general population, claiming isolation was torture, you can bet there would have been more victims. In addition, the innocence project has gotten many off death row on technicalities, to date, and this was last year, the count was over a dozen murdered again when released. I know this, Alfredo Prieto will never again call my mother and brag about raping and killing her daughter, he will never again taunt the sanguist family with gang graffiti, and he will never stab another prisoner. That's just plain reality and fact. Solid proof the death penalty stops future suffering, and brings closure and justice to both society and grieving families.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 12:35:34 GMT -6
Amnesty International needs to have a good look at themselves. Amnesty & it's supporters need to face reality of terrible crimes.
Rapist/murderers are not prisoners of conscience !!
Live a day of a victim/families, (not pretend to be one fug) & see how you feel. Disgusting the cafe' latte sipping do-gooder & civil libertarians making it so easy on pos !!
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 13:19:32 GMT -6
Just so everyone knows Kansas for Justice is in the process of organizing a movement to recall the judges who improperly vacated the jury decision on a DP case and removed the DP from the state. As with most states the DP has been removed by political judges, NOT the voters. Judges appointed by representatives elected by the people. That's how it works. It's hard to say. On the one hand, your cheerleading sounds first rate to me. On the other, it isn't helping you raise your game, which is the point of cheerleading. Have you tried Google?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 13:34:54 GMT -6
This is a part/result of what cushy prisons get over yonder too.
A large proportion of the crime that is carried out in Norway is committed by criminals from overseas.[12] 34 percent of the Norwegian prison population are foreigners.[13] In his autobiography Undesirables, British criminal Colin Blaney has claimed that gangs of English thieves target the nation on account of the perception that its prisons are relatively comfortable compared to those of other countries.[14] Studies also indicate that this is one of the reasons that criminals from other parts of the world commit crime in Norway.[15]
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 13:38:18 GMT -6
In addition, the innocence project has gotten many off death row on technicalities, to date, and this was last year, the count was over a dozen murdered again when released. Could you link me to your info on this? If you had evidence that could exonerate someone on death row, would you present it to the criminal justice system, or hold it back for fear that the released prisoner might go on to kill people?
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 13:39:59 GMT -6
This is a part/result of what cushy prisons get over yonder too. A large proportion of the crime that is carried out in Norway is committed by criminals from overseas.[12] 34 percent of the Norwegian prison population are foreigners.[13] In his autobiography Undesirables, British criminal Colin Blaney has claimed that gangs of English thieves target the nation on account of the perception that its prisons are relatively comfortable compared to those of other countries.[14] Studies also indicate that this is one of the reasons that criminals from other parts of the world commit crime in Norway.[15] I wonder what the effect of this is on Norway's murder rate. Wonder if it is anything like as bad as ours.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 13:56:20 GMT -6
This is a part/result of what cushy prisons get over yonder too. A large proportion of the crime that is carried out in Norway is committed by criminals from overseas.[12] 34 percent of the Norwegian prison population are foreigners.[13] In his autobiography Undesirables, British criminal Colin Blaney has claimed that gangs of English thieves target the nation on account of the perception that its prisons are relatively comfortable compared to those of other countries.[14] Studies also indicate that this is one of the reasons that criminals from other parts of the world commit crime in Norway.[15] I wonder what the effect of this is on Norway's murder rate. Wonder if it is anything like as bad as ours. Well, in 2011 there were 111 murders, Norway attacks accounted for over half of that figure. Domestic violence of 5,284 people which in that figure accounted for assault, attempted murder & murder. Domestic violence & rape is high there.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 14:00:56 GMT -6
Just so everyone knows Kansas for Justice is in the process of organizing a movement to recall the judges who improperly vacated the jury decision on a DP case and removed the DP from the state. As with most states the DP has been removed by political judges, NOT the voters. Judges appointed by representatives elected by the people. That's how it works. It's hard to say. On the one hand, your cheerleading sounds first rate to me. On the other, it isn't helping you raise your game, which is the point of cheerleading. Have you tried Google? High five to cheer leading, for victims rights !!!
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Post by bernard on Oct 9, 2015 15:26:10 GMT -6
I wonder what the effect of this is on Norway's murder rate. Wonder if it is anything like as bad as ours. Well, in 2011 there were 111 murders, Norway attacks accounted for over half of that figure. Domestic violence of 5,284 people which in that figure accounted for assault, attempted murder & murder. Domestic violence & rape is high there. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Perhaps it would be best if you just provided the link.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 9, 2015 16:10:09 GMT -6
Well, in 2011 there were 111 murders, Norway attacks accounted for over half of that figure. In 2008 Domestic violence of 5,284 people which in that figure accounted for assault, attempted murder & murder. Domestic violence & rape is high there. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Perhaps it would be best if you just provided the link. Like you told rocky in a post ...have you tried looking it up on google for the info?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 10, 2015 9:23:59 GMT -6
I can speak from experience that many inmates sentenced death are active killers, Alfredo Prieto had escaped once, stabbed another prisoner, and was caught plotting the movements of a young gaurd for a possible assault. That's fact, that's one recent example. Considering ADP advocates were petitioning the Supreme Court to allow him access to the general population, claiming isolation was torture, you can bet there would have been more victims. In addition, the innocence project has gotten many off death row on technicalities, to date, and this was last year, the count was over a dozen murdered again when released. I know this, Alfredo Prieto will never again call my mother and brag about raping and killing her daughter, he will never again taunt the sanguist family with gang graffiti, and he will never stab another prisoner. That's just plain reality and fact. Solid proof the death penalty stops future suffering, and brings closure and justice to both society and grieving families. And, those let out of DR on technicalities, were not exonerated of the crime. Then over a dozen murdered when released !!!
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