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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 20:00:01 GMT -6
Fug on twitter to incite, encourage or urge people in a cause to do harmful, violent actions... reason fuglyville wants names. Maybe you Bernard do not care about names personally, but think think what your backing.... It's possible, but what is the evidence for it? There are lots of people who play a role in sending a man to his death, from cops to jurors to prosecutors to judges. Their names are all on the record. Are they all living in terror of fuglyville? Anti's are suppose to be agans't killings remember? Evidence to lies, secrets, postings is certainly time to be of concern on the real fug 's agenda. Don't start with your spin, no not of fuglyville but too many things point to should be checked out. This is a crazy world Bernard, anyone can be behind a computer screen great place to be secret.
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 6, 2015 20:05:57 GMT -6
Actually Bernard a convicted prisoner loses many rights like pursuit of freedom, he is a convicted killer. The same legal process that you are blabbering about is the same one that executes killers, before they kill again. You have a right to your opinion, however naive and distorted it is. But we the victims families live it and know the importance of capital punishment, it works, and is the right thing to do with murders. The same ADP people you support were trying to get Prieto more rec time- violation of his rights, how ignorant. Gotta go, I've had enough fun with your sillyness, God Bless America, thank you Virginia for having the courage to execute Prieto, Justice for All!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 20:38:14 GMT -6
Yeah enough is enough, when fug equated the holocaust with the DP, I will never reply or read a post of someone who is so distorted/twisted again.
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Post by bernard on Oct 6, 2015 20:41:01 GMT -6
It's possible, but what is the evidence for it? There are lots of people who play a role in sending a man to his death, from cops to jurors to prosecutors to judges. Their names are all on the record. Are they all living in terror of fuglyville? Anti's are suppose to be agans't killings remember? Evidence to lies, secrets, postings is certainly time to be of concern on the real fug 's agenda. Don't start with your spin, no not of fuglyville but too many things point to should be checked out. This is a crazy world Bernard, anyone can be behind a computer screen great place to be secret. I do not know fuglyville and have no interest in defending or apologizing for him. I was responding to your suggestion that people LIKE fuglyville will perform many awful deeds should the names of the strap down team become known. I wondered what your evidence for that was. Do you have something better than the fact that some guy on prodp.proboards.com occasionally tells lies and makes ominous comments?
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Post by bernard on Oct 6, 2015 21:15:19 GMT -6
thank you Virginia for having the courage to execute Prieto, It doesn't take courage to kill a restrained coward.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 21:40:43 GMT -6
Anti's are suppose to be agans't killings remember? I was responding to your suggestion that people LIKE fuglyville will perform many awful deeds should the names of the strap down team become known. comments? Yes, It does draw concern. Yes, radicals do go to extremes, they know how to incite other people. A basic question do you live & pay tax in the US, does not reply too after yrs posting crap here. On coming here yrs back claiming to be MVS, what kind of person would lie about that? What person would post an executioner should be in trouble? What for? And say they should be held responsible for murder? Then rambles on & wants the names of executioners publid Equate ( post which he deleted) holocaust is the same as the DP. WTH? It is far past an opinion on the DP, or being an Anti, something is way off . Post of cops being the problem MVS have no rights, they have nothing to do with it. Well, how the hell did this all end up in a court then? Told an MVS to get mental help for being angry a child of her's was murdered. Who the hell has that right to talk to her like that? I could go on all night on the distorted thinking which I believe any half reasoning person should have concerns.
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Post by bernard on Oct 6, 2015 21:58:22 GMT -6
Equate ( post which he deleted) holocaust is the same as the DP. WTH? Get a grip. He wasn't "comparing" the DP with the holocaust, if by that you mean that he thinks they are equally wrong. His point was that the holocaust proves that just because something is legal, that doesn't make it morally okay. He then applied that lesson to the DP. He did not delete the post in question. It is at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 22:04:18 GMT -6
Equate ( post which he deleted) holocaust is the same as the DP. WTH? Get a grip. He wasn't "comparing" the DP with the holocaust, if by that you mean that he thinks they are equally wrong. His point was that the holocaust proves that just because something is legal, that doesn't make it morally okay. He then applied that lesson to the DP. He did not delete the post in question. It is at the bottom of page 1 of this thread. You need to get a grip, defending murderers all night is pretty extreme..
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 22:09:03 GMT -6
The reason I want to end the secrecy, is because those involved in carrying out an execution deliberately chooses to participate in killing a fellow human being - and the secrecy means they'll never have to answer for it. If you kill someone with an axe in a shed, you end up in a court of law - if you kill someone with sodium pentothal within the walls of a prison, you get a paycheck. There's something fundamentally wrong here. And the fact that the death penalty is legal, is a *bullcrap* argument - the Holocaust was legal, that doesn't mean it was right. This is the last post at the end of the first page Bernard, it is not that one... the one I am talking about was deleted, that rocky replied to with OMG but he did not quote that deleted post, he just posted right under it.
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Post by bernard on Oct 7, 2015 1:24:23 GMT -6
The reason I want to end the secrecy, is because those involved in carrying out an execution deliberately chooses to participate in killing a fellow human being - and the secrecy means they'll never have to answer for it. If you kill someone with an axe in a shed, you end up in a court of law - if you kill someone with sodium pentothal within the walls of a prison, you get a paycheck. There's something fundamentally wrong here. And the fact that the death penalty is legal, is a *bullcrap* argument - the Holocaust was legal, that doesn't mean it was right. This is the last post at the end of the first page Bernard, it is not that one... the one I am talking about was deleted, that rocky replied to with OMG but he did not quote that deleted post, he just posted right under it. This appears to be the one with the holocaust comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 18:28:31 GMT -6
Here is the biggest question of all on this thread.... WHY DOES FUGLY WANT THE NAMES OF THE EXECUTIONERS? She/he is a resident of Norway or so he/she says. IOW, None of his/her dam business. Then you have to ask why would he/she want this information?? Could it be to do to the executioner and his family that other supposedly well meaning antis have done to the victims' families? Does anyone else remember what has happened to some of the MVSs that were posting here when the execution of the murderers of their loved was was nearing? Makes me think that any information will be used for more manipulations and lies.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 9:25:57 GMT -6
Well, back in the 90's anti abortion groups made public ( named) abortion providers which constituted ( a true threat,) it led to the murders of several of them. The Zealots who believe abortion is immoral & murder.
Sound familiar?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 9:41:22 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626409/thread" timestamp="1444062506" author=" I f they didn't choose to participate in the executions, they wouldn't be in trouble. - and if that gets you in trouble, that's tough luck. If it gets you in trouble " tough luck" ?? Twisted & disgusting !!!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 9:59:18 GMT -6
Fuglyville, , I think maybe you should be watched as a possible terrorist sympathizer...for real !!! Why would fuglyville say if they didn't choose to participate in executions, they wouldn't be in trouble? From who fuglyville would they be in trouble? Exactly, Fugltvillebplease define "trouble". Are you threatening law enforcement?[/quote] Why again would they be in trouble? Like the names placed public on those who did abortions, that were " murdered for it"? "Tough luck" huh
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Post by liljessncda on Oct 8, 2015 11:05:04 GMT -6
Funny that You, Fuglyville, are even entertained with your BS "secrecy" post. Law abiding citizens doing there jobs by aiding in executions are not murderers. I'm not sure how you can even compare the halocaust to executions. What crime or murder did any one those innocent people commit? Furthermore your the last person that should have any knowledge of names or addresses!
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 13:50:36 GMT -6
Well, back in the 90's anti abortion groups made public ( named) abortion providers which constituted ( a true threat,) it led to the murders of several of them. The Zealots who believe abortion is immoral & murder. Sound familiar? Gasp! You're comparing abortion to the DP?!? The DP is the execution of rapist-murderers who deserve to die. Abortion is the killing of an innocent. To compare the two is sick.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 15:07:32 GMT -6
Well, back in the 90's anti abortion groups made public ( named) abortion providers which constituted ( a true threat,) it led to the murders of several of them. The Zealots who believe abortion is immoral & murder. Sound familiar? Gasp! You're comparing abortion to the DP?!? The DP is the execution of rapist-murderers who deserve to die. Abortion is the killing of an innocent. To compare the two is sick. Exactly, I agree. But, when names are made public the results are the same. If you kill someone either, for taking part in an abortion, or part of an execution which is legal.. The same would happen. That is the comparison. As far as abortion, many do not see that as murder of innocent life, which is done everyday across the world. Execution differs there & splits off with a whole different category now, criminal's." Bottom line is in either scenario, nutjobs want the infor, for one only one reason....... proven already by the zealous nutjobs use it for murder. Getting the name an addy, so they can get murdered for going by the law. If you believe that would do any good, No harm then what Bernard in your anti stance would that accomplish? Don't skip my two question's like fug did, why would you want the names public. question 2: do you live & pay tax in the US? Don't go into a long rant, first tell me why??? That is so important to you?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 15:25:16 GMT -6
Fug made a comparison between the holocaust & the DP, not me.
The results for the holocaust, the ones who murdered & tortured innocents, men , women, children for religious beliefs, pure evil were executed. When fug made that comparison" where Bernard,was your Gasp "!!!
One man decided, a less pure race in his mind, had to be taken off the earth? That man knew how to incite evil & death onto innocent mass"s of humanity.
My comparison only showed what those doing a legal job by the laws get murdered for it by placing public the names.
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 15:40:24 GMT -6
Gasp! You're comparing abortion to the DP?!? The DP is the execution of rapist-murderers who deserve to die. Abortion is the killing of an innocent. To compare the two is sick. Exactly, I agree. But, when names are made public the results are the same. If you kill someone either, for taking part in an abortion, or part of an execution which is legal.. The same would happen. That is the comparison. Oh, I see. You were making a limited comparison. Hey, maybe that's what fuglyville was doing with the Holocaust. Just a thought. I've answered the first one already. The answer to the second is yes. Same question to you. Do you live and pay taxes in the US? You don't sound American to me.
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 15:41:49 GMT -6
My comparison only showed what that those doing a legal job by the laws get murdered for it. Fuglyville's comparison only showed that what's legal isn't always right. Now that you've made a limited comparison of your own, you should see what he is getting at.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 16:02:27 GMT -6
Exactly, I agree. But, when names are made public the results are the same. If you kill someone either, for taking part in an abortion, or part of an execution which is legal.. The same would happen. That is the comparison. Oh, I see. You were making a limited comparison. Hey, maybe that's what fuglyville was doing with the Holocaust. Just a thought. I've answered the first one already. The answer to the second is yes. Same question to you. Do you live and pay taxes in the US? You don't sound American to me. I am very much American born & raised here. Yes, I worked all my life no gaps, paid taxes, never needed welfare. I worked part time as a teen, full time all my adult life. Made good honest money, no silver plate for me. No criminal record, one ticket at 17, fine upstanding citizen who has no issue with the DP, for pos. Love for kids, elderly, vulnerable, animals that's me. Hard working, law abiding. My comparison is not limited its fact on human nature what zealots will do & they won't say what they want those names made public for . Take the law into their own hands when it does not agree. I believe you stated in one of your post the names were not important to you to be made public?? Correct
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 16:10:22 GMT -6
I believe you stated in one of your post the names were not important to you to be made public?? Correct That's correct. It makes no difference to me. However, I can see the point of those who think that the performance of executioners, just like that of every other government employee, should be public knowledge and accountable to the tax payer. Your counter-argument, that they would have to fear extremists, does not hold weight in my view. The judges, jurors, prosecutors and so on all played a role in sending the man to his death, but their names are a matter of public record with whatever risks that entails. So I don't see why the executioners should be particularly scared. This is a point you have repeatedly failed to address.
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 16:12:15 GMT -6
I am very much American born & raised here. I am right in assuming, though, that English is not your first language. Right?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 16:16:47 GMT -6
My comparison only showed what that those doing a legal job by the laws get murdered for it. Fuglyville's comparison only showed that what's legal isn't always right. Now that you've made a limited comparison of your own, you should see what he is getting at. What Hitler did, was not legal. I could care less what he" is getting at. No long rant about the holocaust is needed. just a simple answer. lets not go all around the block My point is public naming on topics like abortion, & the dp are topics the zealots latch onto, to harm. Still" just a simple reply to(why make the name public) neither of you will answer. Why? Why?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 16:19:16 GMT -6
I am very much American born & raised here. I am right in assuming, though, that English is not your first language. Right? That's all fine, but what do you two think making the names public will accomplish? Why? Simple not a rant. Do you comprehend? Why?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 16:24:56 GMT -6
I believe you stated in one of your post the names were not important to you to be made public?? Correct That's correct. It makes no difference to me. However, I can see the point of those who think that the performance of executioners, just like that of every other government employee, should be public knowledge and accountable to the tax payer. Your counter-argument, that they would have to fear extremists, does not hold weight in my view. The judges, jurors, prosecutors and so on all played a role in sending the man to his death, but their names are a matter of public record with whatever risks that entails. So I don't see why the executioners should be particularly scared. This is a point you have repeatedly failed to address. Why? since I asked first for days now, why is it so important, what will it accomplish?
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 17:07:56 GMT -6
That's correct. It makes no difference to me. However, I can see the point of those who think that the performance of executioners, just like that of every other government employee, should be public knowledge and accountable to the tax payer. Your counter-argument, that they would have to fear extremists, does not hold weight in my view. The judges, jurors, prosecutors and so on all played a role in sending the man to his death, but their names are a matter of public record with whatever risks that entails. So I don't see why the executioners should be particularly scared. This is a point you have repeatedly failed to address. Why? since I asked first for days now, why is it so important, what will it accomplish? It will improve standards.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 17:16:58 GMT -6
Let me remind you of who you two are .......... AKA Bernard/Honky & fuglyville/MVS. Why the deceptions, lies & secrecy?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2015 17:19:48 GMT -6
Why? since I asked first for days now, why is it so important, what will it accomplish? It will improve standards. Right lol . You and fuglyville !!!! Neither of you have standards...AKA Bernard/Honky & Fyglyville the MVS ..............
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Post by bernard on Oct 8, 2015 17:37:28 GMT -6
Let me remind you of who you two are .......... AKA Bernard/Honky & fuglyville/MVS. Why the deceptions, lies & secrecy? The public has no compelling interest in knowing the true identities of Bernard aka Honky aka Matthew5v38 on prop.proboards.com. The public does have a compelling interest, however, in knowing the identities of executioners. They are employees of the taxpayer, acting as such, and the taxpayer should be able to check whether they are doing a good job. Speaking of which, you didn't answer my question about whether English was your first language? Why the secrecy?
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