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Post by Maria on May 5, 2014 20:34:47 GMT -6
Hi, my name is Maria and I am a student at the University of Minnesota, Duluth. I am in a Death Penalty course and I would like to hear as many opinions on the death penalty as are willing to discuss. For this project, I am focusing on looking at capital punishment through a co-victim's (victim's family member) perspective. Along with your opinion on the death penalty, what do you think are the costs/benefits of the death penalty for a co-victim?
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Post by Donnie on May 8, 2014 19:38:09 GMT -6
Have you read "Dead Family Walking" by D. D. de Vinci? The following is from the web page for the book: On November 5, 1977, the Bourque's teenage daughter, Loretta, was found murdered in a trash pile near the city of New Iberia, Louisiana lying side by side near her boyfriend–with three well-placed bullet holes behind each head. No apparent motive. Very little clues.
WHAT THE PUBLIC KNEW
While the families of the murdered teenagers tried to find closure, a Catholic nun becomes spiritual advisor to one brother on death row and made it her mission to defend him, arguing that the crime was a single act of violence for which the other brother was solely responsible. Her attempts failed, killer is executed in 1984 when she and killer vow love for each other before he dies. Nun takes body to Baton Rouge for free funeral and mass performed by Bishop. Fifteen nuns brought in from New Orleans to attend funeral for stranger. Body laid to rest in Baton Rouge cemetery on sacred ground. Nun later writes book: Dead Man Walking.
WHAT THE PUBLIC DID NOT KNOW
Prior to the murders, posing as police, the brothers would hunt people on weekends kidnapping an estimated 30 couples. Boys would be handcuffed in view of girls being held down, raped, threatened and released. Secret conversation with Catholic priest revealed killer's funeral staged by Church hierarchy to protest capital punishment and said Bishop was subdued. Funeral home pressured for free funeral. Grounds keeper of cemetery said nun went behind Mother Superior's back to have killer buried. Thirty days after burial, upset nuns secretly tried to have killer's corpse disinterred.
After 6 years of trials and appeals, the devout-Catholic Bourques hoped with the killer's execution they could put the nightmare behind them and find some peace with which to live. Instead, the surprising scorn from Church leaders in Baton Rouge was just the beginning of family pain causing them to stop attending church—but they eventually returned with unexpected disrespect for Church personnel.
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Post by Donnie on May 8, 2014 19:38:43 GMT -6
Even if a murderer were to be executed an hour after she committed murder, she would still come out ahead of her victim.
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Post by Donnie on May 8, 2014 19:48:46 GMT -6
Two other good books are "Victim" by Gary Kinder and "Forgiving the Dead Man Walking" by Debbie Morris. There is nothing wrong with forgiving a truly repentant murderer before executing him. Of course he cannot be forgiven for the actual harm to the primary murder victim because the murderer always forcibly prevents that victim from forgiving anybody for anything
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Post by Donnie on May 8, 2014 20:40:25 GMT -6
The reason for having a death penalty is to provide an approach to justice for the victims of murder. I use the phrase "an approach to justice" because even if a murderer were to be struck dead one second after the murder, that would not provide justice for the victim and the victim's family. The murderer, even when executed, always comes out ahead. The murderer always gets what he wanted. The murderer wanted his victim dead and has gotten what he wanted. He has gotten what he wanted, even though he had no right to murder and his action was forbidden. THE MURDERER HAD NO RIGHT TO GET WHAT HE WANTED. YET HE GOT WHAT HE WANTED. The murder victim just wanted to live and did not get what she wanted, even though she had a right to live and society had promised her that she would be allowed to live. Usually she was also providing valuable benefits to society, as well as not harming anyone. THE MURDER VICTIM HAD EVERY RIGHT TO GET WHAT SHE WANTED. YET SHE DID NOT GET WHAT SHE WANTED. WHO IS AHEAD AT THIS POINT, THE MURDERER OR THE VICTIM? Can the victim ever catch up with her murderer? Is it just for the murderer to be better off than his victim? Is it fair for the murderer to be better off than his victim? Should we care about justice and fairness for the dead innocent victim? Once the murderer kills his victim, does he become more important than his victim? If not, than why is the murderer always treated better than his victim? The murderer gains an unfair advantage over his victim the moment he begins to kill her. That is true even if he hasn’t already tortured her or raped her. After the victim dies, every second that the murderer lives, the murderer's unfair advantage over the victim is increased. That is the situation in a simple murder where the murder was done in a painless way. In such rare cases the murderer is given at least one fair trial, has appeals heard and then is given spiritual counseling and a last meal of his choice before his merciful execution. The victim had none of those things and has been dead for years before the murderer is executed. But the death penalty does provide the closest available approach to justice. Of course, many cases of capital murder are much worse than that, with the victim or victims being raped (sometimes many times by different rapists) and tortured, sometimes for hours or days, before a painful death. Then the victim's family has to go through a period of not knowing if their loved one is alive or dead. Then the victim's family has to relive the suffering of their loved one several times during the police investigation, trial and appeals. If the murderer is not executed, the family members have to go through this for many years as the appeals and parole requests never stop. For an example, if you are mentally tough, go to the website below and read about 4 murders (Heather Muller was one victim) and one attempted murder in the same night. This is a transcript of the preliminary hearing testimony of the woman who survived that night. That woman was also infected with an incurable sexually transmitted disease by one of the murderers and has other permanent scars. library.flawlesslogic.com/wichita_2.htm WHEN THE MURDERER IS EXECUTED YEARS AFTER THE MURDER, WHO WAS AHEAD AT THAT POINT, THE MURDERER OR THE VICTIM? Is it good that the murderer’s unfair advantage over the victim has stopped increasing? Bear in mind that, in many cases, the murderer further benefits over the victim by raping or torturing her or both. The cases of Anita Cobby, Mary Alday, the Hi-Fi Shop murders, Dawn McCreery and Wendy Offredo are instructive, just as a few of many examples. Those can all be easily found with a search of the web. In those cases, the murderers can repeatedly relive the pleasure of the rapes or torture. He can sit with other rapists and murderers in prison and they can share their fond memories of the pleasure they drew from their victims’ suffering. They can laugh and joke about how the victim begged not to be raped for the fourth or fifth time. They can swap stories about how their victims begged for their lives as they lay broken and bleeding. In one case a rape-murderer obtained the crime scene photographs of his victim to further increase his relived pleasures. Also, in other cases, the murderer kills many victims. So, in such cases, the murderer gains even larger advantages over his victim or victims. In no case does the murderer ever suffer as much as his victims. In other cases the murderer hires other killlers from prison to kill others. A LWOP prisioner could hire people to kill witnesses and then appeal his case. If he gets as retrial, he would then go free because of a lack of witnesses. There are also two beneficial side effects from adequate use of the death penalty; deterrence and prevention. When the death penalty is used, as many as 20 potential murderers are deterred from murdering for each additional execution. When a murderer is executed, he cannot kill again. Thousands of innocent victims have been killed by previously convicted murderers who were not executed for their first murder. No innocent victim has ever been killed by an executed murderer. The DP also provides a benefit for the murderer, the opportunity for redemption. A murderer facing execution is given the benefit of a powerful incentive to review his past actions and seek the redemption of his soul. This was illustrated by Helen Prejean in her anti-DP book [Dead Man Walking]. I was against the DP for many years. Then I read about what happened to Amy Sue Seitz. www.wtv-zone.com/LadyMaggie/php/AmySueStory.htmlNow that I have gained knowledge, learned wisdom and developed humility, I am for the death penalty. For justice, deterrence, incapacitation, obedience to God and salvation of the souls of murderers.
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Post by Donnie on May 9, 2014 20:49:40 GMT -6
When Mary Alday was tortured, raped and murdered, five other members of her family were also murdered. Also, the three murderers killed a man to steal his car. In addition, after the murders, Mary Alday's mother was so sad that she stopped taking her insulin and soon died. One of the murderers was executed 30 years after he was convicted, one died a free man and the third died in prison while serving a life sentence. Some of the suffering of the other family and friends of the victims is discussed in the book, "Blood Echoes" by Thomas H. Cook. The book can be purchased on the internet for from 49 cents in hard cover or from one cent in paperback. "Recounts the prolonged agony of the Alday family as they are continually asked to testify in court about a 1973 crime during which six family members were brutally killed by escaped convicts."
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 16:23:10 GMT -6
Thank you so much for all of the information! I really appreciate it. I do actually have a follow up question, if you have any time... How does your "obedience to God" play a role in your belief of the death penalty?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 11, 2014 16:46:15 GMT -6
Personally obedience to God, has nothing to do with the DP. There is no factual proof there is a God to begin with. Makes no sense to use God to debate having a DP or no DP. Religion is based off faith not facts.
Reason" religion should be left out of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 17:50:23 GMT -6
Hi, my name is Maria and I am a student at the University of Minnesota, Duluth. I am in a Death Penalty course and I would like to hear as many opinions on the death penalty as are willing to discuss. For this project, I am focusing on looking at capital punishment through a co-victim's (victim's family member) perspective. Along with your opinion on the death penalty, what do you think are the costs/benefits of the death penalty for a co-victim? The one and only benefit of the DP for MVS(murder victim survivor) not co-victims is there is some relief(not closure). The relief of never having to think about the POS that took your loved one's life. never having to hear about the POS, never having to deal with the doogooders that are trying to save said POS or date said POS or hear the cries of innocence based on make believe. Then there is the relief of maybe never to have to face the POS that murdered not only your loved one but took away your life forever. Maybe there is the relief of no more bad dreams and having to hear about second chances for the person that took away all your chances at anything being normal ever again. I would bet your professor is in some anti DP group. I base this on the god question you asked. You are trying to turn this into some kind of religious movement and it is not. Don't you think that atheists have loved ones murdered? IOW, knock off the god squad stuff. I am sick of it. I am sick of hearing about forgiveness, I am sick of the guilt trip that people try to put on you for hating the POS that took everything away, all for some sick selfish reason and I am sick of people that pray for me. I don't need prayers, I don't want to forgive, I don't want to understand, I don't have any compassion left for any murderers. Let's just say I have as much compassion for murderers as they have for their victims. I am at this point in my life because of what a murderer has created. I must also ask you, Why a DP class in Minnsota? There is no DP in Minnesota. I know this because the murder of my son happened in Minnesota. I lived for 30 years of my life in Minnesota. Please no lecture on how wonderful Minnesota is. IT IS NOT. BTW, is your professor asking you to write and befriend a DP inmate? If so are you going to do it? If you will write, I would suggest that you grow a backbone and tell the professor to go fu(k himself. I guess in conclusion most MVS(co-victims) perspective is at least in this case is pure and total anger. Anger at the POS that did this, anger at the system that is only in place for murdering scum. Anger at people who think they know what we are going thru when they don't have a clue. Anger at people that think we should forgive and get on with our lives that was taken away from us by the very people we are supposed to forgive. One last thing. Happy Mothers Day to all the moms here. To all the Moms here that have lost a child to murder, I don't think there will ever be a happy mothers day again.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 18:35:06 GMT -6
Greggsmom,
I felt very compelled to reply to you because I am afraid I may have started off on the wrong foot. Yes, I am in a Death Penalty class in Minnesota and am fully aware that there is no DP in this state. It is important for there to be classes like this to contribute to the overall education of students in America, especially regarding our history. You are also correct in that one of the options was to forge a dialogue with a death row inmate for this assignment. However, I decided NOT to go with that option because there were things that I felt were ethically wrong with that. I will not go into that now, but if you are interested in hearing about it, then I am totally open to it. I decided to talk with murder co-victims (I connected with a student at my school who lost her mother to murder in 2012) to gain perspective on how the death penalty and their experiences affect them. I believe that the system is very corrupt and that TOO OFTEN co-victims are NOT treated the way they deserve and they are put on the back-burner. I find that a lot of people act like they know what loved ones "need" after they lose someone to murder and often that "need" is thought to be the death penalty. Although I have never lost someone to murder, I don't agree that the death penalty does much, if anything, for the justice of victims and their families. Ultimately, we cannot bring back those who are lost and that is the only way I think true justice can be achieved. I agree with you that closure is hardly a factor and relief is a better term.
I truly apologize if I contributed to any anger you feel. I hope that knowing my focus for this project is to shed light on what families of victims go through can help you understand that I am not one that demands you to forgive or accept the tragedy that was placed upon you and your family. Happy Mother's day to you, who shows true love and fight for her son.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 18:46:13 GMT -6
I also wanted to add that I am not a very religious person at all. I asked that question in response to what someone else said at the top of this thread regarding "obedience to God." I wanted this person to elaborate on this point so that I can try to understand their perspective because, regardless of my opinions or beliefs, my project is to focus on many perspectives. My intentions are not to make this topic or ANY topic, for that matter, "a religious movement."
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Post by josephdphillips on May 11, 2014 21:36:58 GMT -6
It is important for there to be classes like this to contribute to the overall education of students in America, especially regarding our history. I would disagree. The question of capital punishment ultimately boils down to whether or not the state has the moral authority to extinguish human life. In this country, it does. That is also true in states that do not have the death penalty. Is this really something that requires hours of study each week, for a dozen weeks or more?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 22:56:44 GMT -6
Personally, I value furthering my knowledge as a student and a human being in order to live a life where I am well informed. The purpose of a death penalty class in any school in America contributes to the education of the general history of this country. However, I respect your opinion and I appreciate your input because ultimately, my whole point in doing this project was to gain new insights and varying perspectives.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 0:27:36 GMT -6
You got off on the wrong foot here because you are part of a death penalty class. Is there a class that is pro dp in your seat of knowledge? I really really doubt that.
You stated ultimately that we can't bring the victim back. Oh FFS. No kidding. So glad someone else brought up this oh so very stupid statement. I would say that all of the co-victims know that better than anyone. We have lots of hints everyday of that very special statement spread by antis everywhere. You see if you knew anything about MVSs, you would know how annoying statements like that are. If we could bring them back then they would all be back because they are worth more than any of the precious murderers. Like I said before most don't have a clue and don't really want to have one.
Victims' families and friends are treated like shyt by the justice system. That is the long and short of everything.
You value further knowledge?? Excuse me. This further knowledge from a professor that wants you to write to a dr inmate. HUH?? What? I would say this is a one sided class that has no intention on helping victims unless it is to use them for their own agenda. Oh yes... We have seen many of the people that think if we only knew some of this knowledge that we would know why we should be just like them. Sorry to disappoint you but it won't work at least not on me.
I am not a project. My son was not and never will be a project.
You did not anger me. I am always angry and will be until I die maybe even beyond death my anger will live. So, don't flatter yourself that you could anger me.
You will grow up to be a fine anti until murder might come to close to who you really are. My son never got to have all this further knowledge. He didn't even get to graduate from high school because of a murderer.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2014 8:37:09 GMT -6
You stated ultimately that we can't bring the victim back. Oh FFS. No kidding. So glad someone else brought up this oh so very stupid statement. I would say that all of the co-victims know that better than anyone. We have lots of hints everyday of that very special statement spread by antis everywhere. You see if you knew anything about MVSs, you would know how annoying statements like that are. If we could bring them back then they would all be back because they are worth more than any of the precious murderers. This further knowledge from a professor that wants you to write to a dr inmate. HUH?? What? I would say this is a one sided class that has no intention on helping victims unless it is to use them for their own agenda. I am not a project. My son was not and never will be a project. You will grow up to be a fine anti until murder might come to close to who you really are. I am not an MVS, yet that remark so many anti's use, We can't bring the victim back" is another lame, stupid & insensitive vice used that has always concerned & bothered me. In the same breathe then expected to write too someone on DR? So, you can be sensitive to the poor murderere plight?? WTH Another stupid comment made by anti's not here" yet very common to use..an eye for an eye will make the world blind" WTH another lame stupid angle. In a criminal act if the victims lost their sight or limbs we do not do the same to them. Too many murderers do not reach DR or even LWOP...Also that is a quote out of the bible which a God stated. No proof there is a God as I said, it is based on faith not fact. Using God in a DP debate is ridiculous. Another lame stupid comment used by anti's " Two wrongs do not make a right, rights & wrongs are not universally known or transferable. This class is based on enotions geared towards the murderers to brainwash to become good anti's for killers of our civilians is that by' let by gones be by gones to late for the vicims anyhow who were killed is cheap shots & insensitive bs mentality.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2014 11:42:28 GMT -6
Greggsmom, I felt very compelled to reply to you because I am afraid I may have started off on the wrong foot. Yes, I am in a Death Penalty class in Minnesota and am fully aware that there is no DP in this state. It is important for there to be classes like this to contribute to the overall education of students in America, especially regarding our history. You are also correct in that one of the options was to forge a dialogue with a death row inmate for this assignment. However, I decided NOT to go with that option because there were things that I felt were ethically wrong with that. I will not go into that now, but if you are interested in hearing about it, then I am totally open to it. I decided to talk with murder co-victims (I connected with a student at my school who lost her mother to murder in 2012) to gain perspective on how the death penalty and their experiences affect them. I believe that the system is very corrupt and that TOO OFTEN co-victims are NOT treated the way they deserve and they are put on the back-burner. I find that a lot of people act like they know what loved ones "need" after they lose someone to murder and often that "need" is thought to be the death penalty. Although I have never lost someone to murder, I don't agree that the death penalty does much, if anything, for the justice of victims and their families. Ultimately, we cannot bring back those who are lost and that is the only way I think true justice can be achieved. I agree with you that closure is hardly a factor and relief is a better term. I truly apologize if I contributed to any anger you feel. I hope that knowing my focus for this project is to shed light on what families of victims go through can help you understand that I am not one that demands you to forgive or accept the tragedy that was placed upon you and your family. Happy Mother's day to you, who shows true love and fight for her son. Have you even bothered to notice in this reply to Greggsmom, this grand post reply back to her"" no comment made as to the death of her son" by a murdering POS" like sorry to hear your son was murdered .. Did you pay " Any Real Attention" to the fact this was posted to her on Mothers Day to boot !!! Telling her happy mothers day? ? wth again !!! And your focus is on the victims of course? WTH yet again?i
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Post by josephdphillips on May 12, 2014 16:34:18 GMT -6
Personally, I value furthering my knowledge as a student and a human being in order to live a life where I am well informed. Or you're just looking for an easy "A."
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Post by Donnie on May 12, 2014 18:53:21 GMT -6
Personally obedience to God, has nothing to do with the DP. There is no factual proof there is a God to begin with. Makes no sense to use God to debate having a DP or no DP. Religion is based off faith not facts. Reason" religion should be left out of it. Since I believe in God, with factual proof, I cannot ignore the question of obedience to God. I do not need my faith to support the death penalty, which is why I never introduce my belief in a discussion with anti-DP folk. However, since ill-informed Christian DP opponents often use their erroneous religious beliefs to argue against the DP, I consider it important to understand why they are wrong. Anti-DP crusader Prejean has admitted, in writing, that there is not Scriptural text in opposition to the DP. She, of course fails to point out that there is clear Scriptural instruction to use the DP for murderers. She also fails to mention that Jesus spoke in favor of the DP, as did St. Paul. A more general claim is that those who use the death penalty for murder are "playing God". I have never seen any anti-DP person support that claim. But since God instructed humankind to execute murderers, those who oppose the DP for murder are the ones "playing God". That is especially true since convicted murderers have gone on to kill hundreds of others (that wwe know of) when they are not executed.
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Post by Donnie on May 12, 2014 19:05:37 GMT -6
The question of capital punishment ultimately boils down to whether or not the state has the moral authority to extinguish human life. In this country, it does. That is also true in states that do not have the death penalty. Is this really something that requires hours of study each week, for a dozen weeks or more? Your summary statement doesn't require any study at all. But tricking people into abandoning their natural support for the DP for murder requires study of the magnitude that you describe. Since that type of "study" (indoctrination) is common in our educational system, then similar counter study (outside the biased educational system) is needed to address the trickery that takes place. I say that as someone whose natural support for the DP for murder was overcome by the anti-DP propaganda of the 1960s. I maintained my active opposition to the DP from the time I was tricked, in about 1964, until about 1984, when we had two young daughters and I read about the torture murder of Amy Sue Seitz.
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Post by Donnie on May 12, 2014 19:11:48 GMT -6
I am not an MVS, yet that remark so many anti's use, We can't bring the victim back" is another lame, stupid & insensitive vice used that has always concerned & bothered me. That is, indeed, a stunningly shallow remark. The simple answer to it is that neither can we bring the victim back by failing to execute the murderer. But we can prevent innocent people from becoming murder victims of the murderers that we execute.
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Post by Donnie on May 12, 2014 19:18:27 GMT -6
Another stupid comment made by anti's not here" yet very common to use..an eye for an eye will make the world blind" WTH another lame stupid angle. In a criminal act if the victims lost their sight or limbs we do not do the same to them. Too many murderers do not reach DR or even LWOP...Also that is a quote out of the bible which a God stated. The quote is actually attributed to Ghandi, and it is a completely false concept. Before the concept of "an eye for an eye" was introduced, criminals were often punished in a manner that far exceeded "an eye for an eye." So the introduction of "an eye for an eye" actually diminished the level of punishment. That proves that Ghandi's quote is utterly false because the whole world never became blind.
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Post by Donnie on May 12, 2014 19:23:13 GMT -6
Maria, If you have the time, perhaps you could let us know if your professor mentioned any of the books, or victims that I mentioned. Also, I wonder if she mentioned murderers who killed again after escaping the DP for their initial murder conviction. For example Juan Chavez, who killed at least eleven people after he was released from prison, or Kenneth McDuff, who killed several more people after the US Supreme Court quashed his execution.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 20:09:27 GMT -6
Maria, If you have the time, perhaps you could let us know if your professor mentioned any of the books, or victims that I mentioned. Also, I wonder if she mentioned murderers who killed again after escaping the DP for their initial murder conviction. For example Juan Chavez, who killed at least eleven people after he was released from prison, or Kenneth McDuff, who killed several more people after the US Supreme Court quashed his execution. Donnie, Thank you for your interest. My professor is actually very good at assigning materials and conducting in class discussions that look at both anti- and pro-death penalty arguments. Obviously it is impossible for someone to be completely unbiased as humans are fallible. But we have discussed some of the books/victims that you've mentioned and I firmly believe that, despite what anyone else thinks, that my professor's intentions are to get us to think for ourselves and gives us access to many different sources of many different perspectives pertaining to capital punishment. Ultimately, as students, we are encouraged to create our own beliefs/opinions and think critically. Reading everyone's responses have been eye-opening.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2014 12:30:26 GMT -6
Another stupid comment made by anti's not here" yet very common to use..an eye for an eye will make the world blind" WTH another lame stupid angle. In a criminal act if the victims lost their sight or limbs we do not do the same to them. Too many murderers do not reach DR or even LWOP...Also that is a quote out of the bible which a God stated. The quote is actually attributed to Ghandi, and it is a completely false concept. Before the concept of "an eye for an eye" was introduced, criminals were often punished in a manner that far exceeded "an eye for an eye." So the introduction of "an eye for an eye" actually diminished the level of punishment. That proves that Ghandi's quote is utterly false because the whole world never became blind. True ! Old and new testament conclusion. For lesser crimes eye for an eye did diminish the level of punishment, back then the punishment exceeded the crime done. ,
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2014 12:42:44 GMT -6
Personally obedience to God, has nothing to do with the DP. There is no factual proof there is a God to begin with. Makes no sense to use God to debate having a DP or no DP. Religion is based off faith not facts. Reason" religion should be left out of it. However, since ill-informed Christian DP opponents often use their erroneous religious beliefs to argue against the DP, I consider it important to understand why they are wrong. Anti-DP crusader Prejean has admitted, in writing, that there is not Scriptural text in opposition to the DP. She, of course fails to point out that there is clear Scriptural instruction to use the DP for murderers. She also fails to mention that Jesus spoke in favor of the DP, as did St. Paul. . I agree though it is important to understand why they are wrong or not giving full Scriptural as the anti DP crusader Prejean does. And yes, there is Scriptural instructions to use the DP for murderers thru the judical system not by individuals themselves.
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Post by Donnie on May 13, 2014 19:47:08 GMT -6
I agree though it is important to understand why they are wrong or not giving full Scriptural as the anti DP crusader Prejean does. And yes, there is Scriptural instructions to use the DP for murderers thru the judical system not by individuals themselves. Thank you for that important clarification
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Post by Donnie on May 13, 2014 19:52:20 GMT -6
Donnie, Thank you for your interest. My professor is actually very good at assigning materials and conducting in class discussions that look at both anti- and pro-death penalty arguments. Obviously it is impossible for someone to be completely unbiased as humans are fallible. But we have discussed some of the books/victims that you've mentioned and I firmly believe that, despite what anyone else thinks, that my professor's intentions are to get us to think for ourselves and gives us access to many different sources of many different perspectives pertaining to capital punishment. Ultimately, as students, we are encouraged to create our own beliefs/opinions and think critically. That would warm the cockles of my heart. But my life experience has led me to be skeptical. Thank you for your reply.
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