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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 25, 2013 16:14:42 GMT -6
All pro's are racist too? intersesting how is it pro's are "all" racist now? And only pro's? The racism of antis doesn't matter to me, because they're not involved in making public policy, WhiteDiamonds. And yes, pros are racist. Thank goodness for DNA as well as cell phone pics & security cameras. Camera's do not lie on who and what is real. Store breakins, home invasions, etc, the truth the stats are there in many cases now. Racism .....
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 26, 2013 7:51:14 GMT -6
Thank goodness for DNA as well as cell phone pics & security cameras. Camera's do not lie on who and what is real. Store breakins, home invasions, etc, the truth the stats are there in many cases now. Racism ..... Totally irrelevant. When it comes to murder, if your victim is white you stand a much greater chance of getting the death penalty than if your victim is non-white.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 26, 2013 8:33:16 GMT -6
Thank goodness for DNA as well as cell phone pics & security cameras. Camera's do not lie on who and what is real. Store breakins, home invasions, etc, the truth the stats are there in many cases now. Racism ..... Totally irrelevant. When it comes to murder, if your victim is white you stand a much greater chance of getting the death penalty than if your victim is non-white. Too many factors come into play, nothing is that black and white. List of charges ontop of the murder charges, age of victims etc etc for each individual case. Fact is blacks and hispanics lead in criminal acts to begin with. Look at many sentences be it LWOP ( loosely used) DP, and non violent sentences nothing makes sense anymore let alone play the race card. The system as a whole needs fixing. Doing away with the DP totally" is not the answer. Exectuting every murderer is not the answer either. Nothing will ever be totally fair just won't happen. People make it complicated not the system, the system is the people. Not fair my loved one was murderered and only got life not the DP. Not fair My loved one murdered someone now the state is going to execute my loved one. Not fair Sounds like the debate going on over gun laws. Who the hell ever said life would be fair?
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 26, 2013 10:21:35 GMT -6
Too many factors come into play, nothing is that black and white. Murder is. All murder victims are equally dead.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 26, 2013 12:24:55 GMT -6
Too many factors come into play, nothing is that black and white. Murder is. All murder victims are equally dead. Exactly. No matter what race the victim is or the killer's race, dead is dead. Murder is murder. Commit the ultimate pay the ultimate. All the pain suffering and loss is due to one individual not the states fault. Both families on either side "one individual" did this too all involved emtionally/personally and physically, as well as financially.
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 26, 2013 13:47:33 GMT -6
She must have a point, if you folks are still arguing about it 7 months later. If you read the article she mentioned, you realize the author's suggested punishment for murder is more severe than what is currently practiced in the United States or anywhere in Europe. Permanent immurement for murder, in total isolation, with no visitation by anyone -- who could possibly be opposed to that? Even the condemned, or should I say especially the condemned, are allowed visitors in this country, and all but a handful of the condemned die of old age in prison anyway -- thanks to the incompetence and hypocrisy of "pros." Americans talk the talk, but don't walk the walk, when it comes to executing murderers. In every pro, there's an anti, trying to get out. damn joe. years later, and you're still trying to run the same discredited garbage. you know damn well that if the pros were totally in charge, every murderer would be executed. i don't think that even you would try to call the anti civil liberties union pros. even you wouldn't attempt to claim that the imbecilic defense attorneys who do pro bono death penalty appeals, filing frivolous trash all over the place, are pros. THOSE are the nutjobs that depress the execution numbers. obviously, pros have nothing to do with it nice to see ya around again lad
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 26, 2013 13:49:34 GMT -6
Thank goodness for DNA as well as cell phone pics & security cameras. Camera's do not lie on who and what is real. Store breakins, home invasions, etc, the truth the stats are there in many cases now. Racism ..... Totally irrelevant. When it comes to murder, if your victim is white you stand a much greater chance of getting the death penalty than if your victim is non-white. of course, the FACT is that, since 1976, two thirds of all those executed have been WHITE
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 27, 2013 9:28:50 GMT -6
of course, the FACT is that, since 1976, two thirds of all those executed have been WHITE That is why pros are racist. Black murderers are disproportionately spared the death penalty.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 27, 2013 9:31:41 GMT -6
if the pros were totally in charge, every murderer would be executed. The pros are in charge. They've always been in charge. They've comprised the majority of the electorate for centuries. The low execution rate is the responsibility of the majority, not the minority, and the pros comprise the majority.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 27, 2013 10:01:54 GMT -6
if the pros were totally in charge, every murderer would be executed. The pros are in charge. They've always been in charge. They've comprised the majority of the electorate for centuries. The low execution rate is the responsibility of the majority, not the minority, and the pros comprise the majority. Polls still show majority of Americans want the DP to remain in tact.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 27, 2013 10:33:29 GMT -6
Polls still show majority of Americans want the DP to remain in tact. Exactly, intact meaning "as is," which means nonfunctional. There is no groundswell of support to speed up the process and EXPAND use of the death penalty, which is what is necessary.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 27, 2013 11:29:41 GMT -6
Polls still show majority of Americans want the DP to remain in tact. Exactly, intact meaning "as is," which means nonfunctional. There is no groundswell of support to speed up the process and EXPAND use of the death penalty, which is what is necessary. No we won't expand the use of the DP. Reason we have different degree's of murder. Anyone proven guilty beyond a doubt who commits capital murder should face the DP. Next step with DNA as well as so many ways we have today to back guilt ( no doubt) then that should speed up the appeals process. Where the system is not working and costings us dearly is the non violent sent to prison, those who really should get rehab for addictions and some should only get community service, probation etc not prison time. Our prison over population has too many serving long sentences due to the war on drugs bs. Were handing out punishment when it should be a helping hand. These are not evil people. This is where prison turns into big business only. Money is "not" being wasted on the DP.
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