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Post by shawni on May 30, 2009 22:05:09 GMT -6
Murderers Escape in Guard Uniforms AP posted: 7 HOURS 30 MINUTES AGO comments: 203 filed under: Crime News, National News GRADY, Ark. (May 30) - Two convicted murderers put on corrections-officer uniforms and walked out of an Arkansas prison during a shift change, officials said Saturday as they searched for the men. Jeffrey Grinder, 32, and Calvin Adams, 39, escaped Friday evening from the Cummins Unit prison in Grady more than three hours before officials realized they were missing, corrections department spokeswoman Dina Tyler said. Both men were serving life sentences without the possibility of parole at the prison about 60 miles southeast of Little Rock. The guard uniforms the inmates put on are made in the prison. Video surveillance shows the men put them on in the prison library after the 6 p.m. headcount and walked out of the prison during a shift change less than 20 minutes later, Tyler said. Prison officials are investigating whether all policies and procedures were followed. "Someone should have laid eyes on them. That's one of the things we're looking at: How exactly did they get out without someone challenging them?" Tyler said. Grinder and Adams drove away in a maroon or burgundy colored, 4-door sedan that had been left for them. Officials realized the men were missing after coming up short during the 10 p.m. inmate headcount, Tyler said. Grinder was convicted of capital murder in 2004, and Adams was convicted of capital murder in 1995. Both men have family in Arkansas and out of state. "We think there's probably a pretty good chance that they are not in Arkansas," she said. Corrections officials are trying to develop leads on where the men are and hoping someone will spot them. Anyone who sees the men should call the Arkansas state police or their local law enforcement, Tyler said. So because these "men" where not put to death as they should have been but givin LWOP they are now free to kill another innocent person and destroy more innocent lives!!!!! Way to go!!!!!
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Post by suppenhuhn on May 31, 2009 11:39:01 GMT -6
No, they're free to kill again because security in their prison apparently was too lax.
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Post by ltdc on May 31, 2009 11:46:54 GMT -6
no, Shawni is absolutely right. cemetaries don't require any kind of security.
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Post by suppenhuhn on May 31, 2009 12:13:07 GMT -6
Even if both had gotten the DP at least Grinder wouldn't have been executed yet.
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Post by ltdc on May 31, 2009 18:21:29 GMT -6
Even if both had gotten the DP at least Grinder wouldn't have been executed yet. perhaps. one of the problems that still needs improvement
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on May 31, 2009 18:31:38 GMT -6
This did not occur in a vaccum. If a car was left for them, i will bet money that a cell phone was involved. If so, they need to really crack down on them even more. Jammers and other hardware should be used and penaltys should be increased.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on May 31, 2009 21:00:28 GMT -6
They should have been given the death penalty. What happens if they murder again? Then it will be on the Arkansas prison that was too lax when they escaped. Shame on them.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on May 31, 2009 22:26:43 GMT -6
no, Shawni is absolutely right. cemetaries don't require any kind of security. Correct. Dead scum are no longer anyone's liability.
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Post by Shaka on May 31, 2009 22:47:09 GMT -6
It proves one things, there's no such thing as LWOP. Someone serving life, getting more time for escaping is no deterrent, at least if they were both executed swiftly this type of thing wouldn't occur.
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Post by kingsindanger on Jun 1, 2009 19:58:17 GMT -6
no, Shawni is absolutely right. cemetaries don't require any kind of security. Perfectly stated.
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Post by kingsindanger on Jun 1, 2009 20:01:43 GMT -6
It would be interesting to know how video saw them put the uniforms on and nobody bothered to stop them. That tells me nobody is watching the cameras.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Jun 1, 2009 20:30:03 GMT -6
Well, you know, its either that, or they just don't care for what happens to them because they are too lazy to check quickly.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jun 2, 2009 6:50:35 GMT -6
I could be wrong but don't the officers have to hand in their handcuffs etc at the end of a shift? Amazed nobody recognised them as convicts. I mean the officers all know each other I would have thought.
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 2, 2009 8:31:20 GMT -6
no, Shawni is absolutely right. cemetaries don't require any kind of security. Perfectly stated. I figured it was such simple logic, even you could grasp it!
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Post by D.E.E. on Jun 2, 2009 8:52:55 GMT -6
No, they're free to kill again because security in their prison apparently was too lax. It is always easier to blame the prison and not the criminal. Prisoners have years to find one small crack in the system and then exploit it. I guess you have an escape prove prison designed and you are going to share it with the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 9:33:24 GMT -6
Murderers Escape in Guard Uniforms AP posted: 7 HOURS 30 MINUTES AGO comments: 203 filed under: Crime News, National News GRADY, Ark. (May 30) - Two convicted murderers put on corrections-officer uniforms and walked out of an Arkansas prison during a shift change, officials said Saturday as they searched for the men. Jeffrey Grinder, 32, and Calvin Adams, 39, escaped Friday evening from the Cummins Unit prison in Grady more than three hours before officials realized they were missing, corrections department spokeswoman Dina Tyler said. Both men were serving life sentences without the possibility of parole at the prison about 60 miles southeast of Little Rock. The guard uniforms the inmates put on are made in the prison. Video surveillance shows the men put them on in the prison library after the 6 p.m. headcount and walked out of the prison during a shift change less than 20 minutes later, Tyler said. Prison officials are investigating whether all policies and procedures were followed. "Someone should have laid eyes on them. That's one of the things we're looking at: How exactly did they get out without someone challenging them?" Tyler said. Grinder and Adams drove away in a maroon or burgundy colored, 4-door sedan that had been left for them. Officials realized the men were missing after coming up short during the 10 p.m. inmate headcount, Tyler said. Grinder was convicted of capital murder in 2004, and Adams was convicted of capital murder in 1995. Both men have family in Arkansas and out of state. "We think there's probably a pretty good chance that they are not in Arkansas," she said. Corrections officials are trying to develop leads on where the men are and hoping someone will spot them. Anyone who sees the men should call the Arkansas state police or their local law enforcement, Tyler said. So because these "men" where not put to death as they should have been but givin LWOP they are now free to kill another innocent person and destroy more innocent lives!!!!! Way to go!!!!! Pulease. It's because they weren't being housed properly and had access to things they oughtn't have been.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 9:36:01 GMT -6
No, they're free to kill again because security in their prison apparently was too lax. It is always easier to blame the prison and not the criminal. Prisoners have years to find one small crack in the system and then exploit it. I guess you have an escape prove prison designed and you are going to share it with the world. We house lotsa murderers without them escaping so it's perfectly reasonable to think that we can and should.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Jun 2, 2009 10:30:17 GMT -6
Murderers Escape in Guard Uniforms Video surveillance shows the men put them on in the prison library after the 6 p.m. headcount and walked out of the prison during a shift change less than 20 minutes later, Tyler said. Prison officials are investigating whether all policies and procedures were followed. " Someone should have laid eyes on them. That's one of the things we're looking at: How exactly did they get out without someone challenging them?" Tyler said. Maybe I'm missing something here. They have them on video tape changing into the uniforms - who is watching the monitors for the library? Polices and procedures were not followed or do not exist. I do not now nor have I ever worked in the penal system; however, I have worked in secure and security areas. Once the procedures are in place, then a constant training and evaluation of the system must exist. The uniforms are made inside the prison, so an inmate getting their hands of one is not only possible but probable. The planning of the escape including the car left for them is outside of the control of the prison. They can make it harder for the inmates to communicate among themselves or to those on the outside, but it starts bordering on infringement of civil rights. The entry and exit into the prison is the main point where all of this stops. I know when I was stationed at the submarine base in Kings Bay, GA we had prison officials visit several times. One of the things they were shown was the control of personnel and visitors to the upper base, lower base and submarine areas. Even the mill I am working at now has a guard verify the photo ID and you must swipe in and out of a one person security turnstile. The key to both systems being successful is a training and verification program that tests the individuals and system regularly and without notice. We would run security exercises and to make them useful the team trying to evade the system would work very hard to get around the systems. We would have nothing more than bragging rights, but it would expose loop holes and vulnerable areas in the security net. I would say they definitely need to review their processes and procedures.
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 2, 2009 10:43:32 GMT -6
The walked out during the change of shifts. I haven't found an article yet but some people have been arrested for leaving the get away car. I just heard it on the news.
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Post by D.E.E. on Jun 2, 2009 10:53:20 GMT -6
Murderers Escape in Guard Uniforms Video surveillance shows the men put them on in the prison library after the 6 p.m. headcount and walked out of the prison during a shift change less than 20 minutes later, Tyler said. Prison officials are investigating whether all policies and procedures were followed. " Someone should have laid eyes on them. That's one of the things we're looking at: How exactly did they get out without someone challenging them?" Tyler said. Maybe I'm missing something here. They have them on video tape changing into the uniforms - who is watching the monitors for the library? Polices and procedures were not followed or do not exist. I do not now nor have I ever worked in the penal system; however, I have worked in secure and security areas. Once the procedures are in place, then a constant training and evaluation of the system must exist. The uniforms are made inside the prison, so an inmate getting their hands of one is not only possible but probable. The planning of the escape including the car left for them is outside of the control of the prison. They can make it harder for the inmates to communicate among themselves or to those on the outside, but it starts bordering on infringement of civil rights. The entry and exit into the prison is the main point where all of this stops. I know when I was stationed at the submarine base in Kings Bay, GA we had prison officials visit several times. One of the things they were shown was the control of personnel and visitors to the upper base, lower base and submarine areas. Even the mill I am working at now has a guard verify the photo ID and you must swipe in and out of a one person security turnstile. The key to both systems being successful is a training and verification program that tests the individuals and system regularly and without notice. We would run security exercises and to make them useful the team trying to evade the system would work very hard to get around the systems. We would have nothing more than bragging rights, but it would expose loop holes and vulnerable areas in the security net. I would say they definitely need to review their processes and procedures. No doubt about it, the policies and procedures need adressing. Having said that prisoners have all the time to find a flaw in the system and will exploit it. It seems some on here have seen a perfect system, I guess I am slow and have never seen one. I have yet to see a prison that was or is escape proof. I think one came close but there has always been a question about it as well. I do work in a prison and even when I see flaws and report them you can bet someone else (prisoner) saw them before I did. People get lax and make mistakes all the time, even in military security units and I have worked in those as well. I have yet to see a perfect system that can be implimented in as many places as needed to remain perfect.
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 2, 2009 11:15:28 GMT -6
3 Arrested In Ark. Prison Escape PlanDeana Davison, Ryan McKinney, Michael Stephenson Charged With FelonyLITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Authorities said they arrested three people suspected of leaving a car for two convicted killers who escaped from a high-security prison in Grady by putting on jail guard uniforms that are made at the facility. Arkansas State Police Spokesman Bill Sadler said Tuesday that police arrested Deana Davison and Ryan McKinney, both of Little Rock, and Michael Stephenson of Jacksonville. The three were arrested and charged on Saturday with furnishing an implement for escape, a felony, Sadler said. Jeffrey Grinder and Calvin Adams escaped Friday evening from the Cummins Unit. They were spotted in the Missouri Bootheel on Saturday, but later seen in Michigan, authorities said. Sadler would not say if police believe others may have helped the killers escape the unit. www.4029tv.com/news/19633584/detail.html
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 2, 2009 14:10:24 GMT -6
Convicted Murderers Caught After Brazen Escape From Arkansas PrisonLITTLE ROCK, Ark. ā A pair of convicted murderers who escaped from an Arkansas prison wearing guard uniforms made at the facility were captured Tuesday afternoon after being stopped for speeding in New York state.A prisons spokeswoman said the two were in the same car that had been left for them at the Cummins Unit prison about 90 miles southeast of Little Rock last Friday night. Spokeswoman Dina Tyler said a New York state trooper tried to stop the men for speeding. Both were caught after the car crashed and the two tried to run away. No one was hurt. Calvin Adams and Jeffrey Grinder were captured near Hornell, N.Y., about 90 miles southeast of Buffalo. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524657,00.html
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Post by suppenhuhn on Jun 2, 2009 18:09:24 GMT -6
No, they're free to kill again because security in their prison apparently was too lax. It is always easier to blame the prison and not the criminal. Prisoners have years to find one small crack in the system and then exploit it. I guess you have an escape prove prison designed and you are going to share it with the world. Well i definitely won't blame prisoners for trying to escape, that's more or less their new full-time job. The point is that if your prison happens to make uniforms you might require more than just wearing one for people to enter or leave your facility. That no one watched the cctv while they changed is another issue, i bet that took them a bit longer than a second or two. Sure, there will always be ways to escape even from the highest security prisons but that isn't the point in this case as exactly what they did should have been anticipated and could have been prevented rather easily with an ID check upon leaving or entering the prison.
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Post by ltdc on Jun 2, 2009 18:22:00 GMT -6
It is always easier to blame the prison and not the criminal. Prisoners have years to find one small crack in the system and then exploit it. I guess you have an escape prove prison designed and you are going to share it with the world. We house lotsa murderers without them escaping so it's perfectly reasonable to think that we can and should. we house lotsa murderers who don't try, also. as well as those who try and are caught, so we can and do try better. so until prisons become as escape proof as cemetaries, execution will always trump incarceration.
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Post by kingsindanger on Jun 3, 2009 18:24:22 GMT -6
I figured it was such simple logic, even you could grasp it! That is a pretty bold statement coming from you, the jackass of jackasses.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Jun 3, 2009 21:42:24 GMT -6
I can only thank the stars that no body was hurt this time, but what about when something happens like this next time? Then what will happen?
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 4, 2009 3:53:40 GMT -6
I figured it was such simple logic, even you could grasp it! That is a pretty bold statement coming from you, the jackass of jackasses. soeaking of jackasses, where is Dumbo, I mistakenly thought she was your sidekick but I admit i may be wrong. She appears to get you to throw all her snowballs for her. Does that make you think or even sometimes wonder if perhaps you're the silly one?
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Jun 4, 2009 19:52:31 GMT -6
No, I just decided that I am not gonna hurl insults back at you just for the reason that it doesn't get any of us nowhere. My posts may be stupid, but they will get better and at least I don't insult people.
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Post by kingsindanger on Jun 4, 2009 21:22:52 GMT -6
That is a pretty bold statement coming from you, the jackass of jackasses. soeaking of jackasses, where is Dumbo, I mistakenly thought she was your sidekick but I admit i may be wrong. She appears to get you to throw all her snowballs for her. Does that make you think or even sometimes wonder if perhaps you're the silly one? There are no snowballs on the Internet, you dolt. Are you really that stupid, or are you possessed by a retarded ghost, you toilet-licking piece of lice?
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Post by D.E.E. on Jun 4, 2009 21:54:12 GMT -6
It is always easier to blame the prison and not the criminal. Prisoners have years to find one small crack in the system and then exploit it. I guess you have an escape prove prison designed and you are going to share it with the world. Well i definitely won't blame prisoners for trying to escape, that's more or less their new full-time job. The point is that if your prison happens to make uniforms you might require more than just wearing one for people to enter or leave your facility. That no one watched the cctv while they changed is another issue, i bet that took them a bit longer than a second or two. Sure, there will always be ways to escape even from the highest security prisons but that isn't the point in this case as exactly what they did should have been anticipated and could have been prevented rather easily with an ID check upon leaving or entering the prison. do you have any idea how many cameras there are in a prison? I would imigan that the prisoners found someone who was not doing as they were trained and waited until they were on shift to take advantage of that. It is easy to say what should have been done after the fact but not so easy when you are there. I know that at my unit we have to touch the ID of every person who leaves the facility. This is a requirement and in the post orders, yet a good number of officers will simply wave at someone wearing an officers uniform during shift change. They figure that one of the other officers will notice if the person is not on shift with them. It is this kind of thing that an inmate will take advantage of. You do not have to make the uniforms, we leave them in a room to be taken (by inmates) and cleaned. It is easy to blame the prison and the officers involved and yes they may have gotten sloppy, it is what happens when you do the same job over and over again and again. It happens in all jobs, prisoners know this and look for those things to happen. Watching cameras that number in the hundreds will not stop many much since they would have to be watching that camera at that time to catch them. In the unit I work in we have 10 cell blocks with 8 cameras in each cell block, cameras in the food prepration area, cameras in the medical area, maintance areas, in the halls outside the cell blocks, and in any other area that a inmate might go in. I would guess at a minum 200 cameras just in the High Security area, and this is not to mention the ones in GP. Inmates know that it is a good bet that they can do something off of the cell blocks and not be seen by anyone, they also know that the camera can be used as evicence against them if they get caught. That is the main thing the cameras are used for, evidence. good luck on that whole making a prison escape proof thing. Ain't going to happen until you can do away with human error, and prisoners who can think and have time to implement a plan. Hasn't been done in the history of man and will not be done in the future, that is unless we make the moon a prison colony.
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