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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 10:36:16 GMT -6
If Death Row inmate´s were hanged then the organs were not damaged. So many people need new organs so bad and they can live with new organs but often have to die because there are not enough donored organs. So is Lethal Injection not wrong when many lifes were rescued if Death Row inmates were hanged? It is very sad that the organs are destroyed when so many good people wait for donatons. Two kidnes, one heart, two lungs and much more.What do the other members think?
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Post by D.E.E. on Mar 6, 2009 10:50:13 GMT -6
If Death Row inmate´s were hanged then the organs were not damaged. So many people need new organs so bad and they can live with new organs but often have to die because there are not enough donored organs. So is Lethal Injection not wrong when many lifes were rescued if Death Row inmates were hanged? It is very sad that the organs are destroyed when so many good people wait for donatons. Two kidnes, one heart, two lungs and much more.What do the other members think? There are a great many things that this does not take in to consideration, for one the vast majority of those on DR have been heavy users of drugs for years and so not good for Organ Donations to begin with. Second they would have to be volunteers to Organ Donation or it would be ethically unacceptable. Third it would bring in to question the real reason for their execution, which is a punishment for a crime.
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Post by Californian on Mar 6, 2009 10:53:59 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical.
I agree with that premise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 10:58:36 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. The words Death Row inmate and Ethic are like fire and water. There is nothing unethical when we speak about murderers.
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Post by D.E.E. on Mar 6, 2009 11:00:08 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. The words Death Row inmate and Ethic are like fire and water. There is nothing unethical when we speak about murderers. While DR inmates have no ethics, we should.
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Post by Californian on Mar 6, 2009 11:01:35 GMT -6
The words Death Row inmate and Ethic are like fire and water. There is nothing unethical when we speak about murderers. The physicians involved have no connection with Death Row. I also of the opinion your knowledge of anatomy and physiology is as weak as your reasoning. .
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 6, 2009 11:13:05 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. It would not be unethical, however, for non-physicians to harvest organs, either from executees or any dead inmate. Inmates are state property. It follows that their organs are, too.
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Post by D.E.E. on Mar 6, 2009 11:23:20 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. It would not be unethical, however, for non-physicians to harvest organs, either from executees or any dead inmate. Inmates are state property. It follows that their organs are, too. Not too sure that is true at least after execution. At that point they have completed their sentence and like any other inmate who has completed their sentence they do not belong to the state any longer.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 6, 2009 12:02:03 GMT -6
It would not be unethical, however, for non-physicians to harvest organs, either from executees or any dead inmate. Inmates are state property. It follows that their organs are, too. Not too sure that is true at least after execution. At that point they have completed their sentence and like any other inmate who has completed their sentence they do not belong to the state any longer. Once they have paid their debt, they are square with the house (to coin a phrase from The Green Mile). The decision of organ donation would have been in a final disposition or the decision of the family -NOK. As for the usefulness, does the LI make the organs unusable? And finally, I agree the prior lifestyle may have had an adverse affect on them.
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Post by Californian on Mar 6, 2009 13:03:30 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. It would not be unethical, however, for non-physicians to harvest organs, either from executees or any dead inmate. Inmates are state property. It follows that their organs are, too. I'm afraid you're wrong on both counts, Joseph.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 13:15:08 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. It would not be unethical, however, for non-physicians to harvest organs, either from executees or any dead inmate. Inmates are state property. It follows that their organs are, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 13:17:47 GMT -6
Physicians will not harvest organs from inmates executed, whatever the method. They consider it unethical. I agree with that premise. It would not be unethical, however, for non-physicians to harvest organs, either from executees or any dead inmate. Inmates are state property. It follows that their organs are, too. they may be state property and criminals but this idea certainly completely devaluesstheir worth as human beings, and that is just plain wrong.
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 6, 2009 13:19:24 GMT -6
If Death Row inmate´s were hanged then the organs were not damaged. So many people need new organs so bad and they can live with new organs but often have to die because there are not enough donored organs. So is Lethal Injection not wrong when many lifes were rescued if Death Row inmates were hanged? It is very sad that the organs are destroyed when so many good people wait for donatons. Two kidnes, one heart, two lungs and much more.What do the other members think? Yeah, we could make felt slippers from their hair as well or lampshades from their skin.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 6, 2009 13:25:30 GMT -6
Yeah, we could make felt slippers from their hair as well or lampshades from their skin. I was trying to think of something serious to respond with, but I am still laughing too much.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Mar 6, 2009 13:29:41 GMT -6
The only way I think they could harvest organs is to do executions in an OR. Not going to happen. I think that the drugs used would have harmed organs that could be used.
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Post by Californian on Mar 6, 2009 13:40:17 GMT -6
Yeah, we could make felt slippers from their hair as well or lampshades from their skin. It's been done. There's nothing new under the sun. Most do have interesting tattoos, though. Don't forget lampshades.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 6, 2009 13:49:47 GMT -6
It's been done. There's nothing new under the sun. Most do have interesting tattoos, though. Don't forget lampshades. I've seen pictures of that; now it's getting creepy.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Mar 6, 2009 13:51:30 GMT -6
The idea of using organs is all well and good but as its been pointed out most inmates have been junkies and thus their organs would be in quite a grim state
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 13:57:23 GMT -6
It's been done. There's nothing new under the sun. Most do have interesting tattoos, though. Don't forget lampshades. I've seen pictures of that; now it's getting creepy. My father had one of those tattoos...
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 6, 2009 14:08:14 GMT -6
I've seen pictures of that; now it's getting creepy. My father had one of those tattoos... "had"? Not that I am making light, but was it removed or is he longer with us? No sarcastic comment will follow.
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Post by somebody on Mar 6, 2009 14:08:52 GMT -6
The words Death Row inmate and Ethic are like fire and water. There is nothing unethical when we speak about murderers. While DR inmates have no ethics, we should. And this, although used in another context here, is the perfect line for an anti. DR inmates have not ethics and killed. We should have ethics and don't do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 14:11:38 GMT -6
My father had one of those tattoos... "had"? Not that I am making light, but was it removed or is he longer with us? No sarcastic comment will follow. My father was a Holocaust survivor.
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Post by somebody on Mar 6, 2009 14:12:32 GMT -6
Yeah, we could make felt slippers from their hair as well or lampshades from their skin. It's been done. There's nothing new under the sun. Most do have interesting tattoos, though. Don't forget lampshades. I like joking around a bit but I don't like Holocaust jokes...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 14:17:34 GMT -6
It's been done. There's nothing new under the sun. Most do have interesting tattoos, though. Don't forget lampshades. I like joking around a bit but I don't like Holocaust jokes... I know you don't...but somebody does.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 6, 2009 14:21:42 GMT -6
"had"? Not that I am making light, but was it removed or is he longer with us? No sarcastic comment will follow. My father was a Holocaust survivor. Thank you for your candor.
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Post by somebody on Mar 6, 2009 14:41:34 GMT -6
My father was a Holocaust survivor. Thank you for your candor. Hey Sdl, I think it was courageous to to tell us that.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 6, 2009 15:14:49 GMT -6
they may be state property and criminals but this idea certainly completely devalues their worth as human beings, and that is just plain wrong. It's not wrong. If their lives were really worth anything, they wouldn't have committed crimes in the first place. Once you're sentenced, the CDC here assigns you a number, and you are known as that number for the ENTIRE period you're in the custody of the CDC (not just imprisonment).
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 6, 2009 15:17:02 GMT -6
I'm afraid you're wrong on both counts, Joseph. The ethics of harvesting organs from dead inmates is a matter of opinion. That inmates are the physical property of the state isn't.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 6, 2009 15:24:08 GMT -6
Once they have paid their debt, they are square with the house (to coin a phrase from The Green Mile). There is no atonement for murder. The death penalty may be the harshest punishment, but that doesn't mean the executed have paid their debt. They haven't. The decision of organ donation would have been in a final disposition or the decision of the family -NOK. I would change that. As for the usefulness, does the LI make the organs unusable? And finally, I agree the prior lifestyle may have had an adverse affect on them. The latter may be true, but there are body parts that can still be used, like corneas. I'm in need of one myself.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Mar 6, 2009 15:33:21 GMT -6
I'm afraid you're wrong on both counts, Joseph. That inmates are the physical property of the state isn't. Joe, I don't think inmates are considered property. For starters, inmates have rights, the most important of which is probably the right to due process. The state cannot do whatever it wants with its prisoners as it can (to a certain degree) with its property. Indeed, it seems absurd to think of property as possessing rights, whereas it seems fascist for a state to deprive prisoners of all rights. So it does not seem accurate to classify inmates as property, and I have never heard a state official or regulation publicly refer to them as such.
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