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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 19:00:48 GMT -6
No, it doesn't. Not really. It explains why you think you're involved in all of this. IMO, there's nothing special or compassionate about you. You're a murder groupie. Btw, I have a better idea about what you should do with those letters. You should bundle them up, tie them up with a pretty blue ribbon, then gently, lovingly place them in a pretty hat box. Then shove the hat box where the sun doesn't shine. Never said that there was something special or compassionate about me. Just told my story which was as honest and insecure as I could possible be. And if these MVS would do that with this particular letter, than it's up to them to do so. or better yet, you could LEAVE THEM ALONE, and NOT insert yourself into their lives And you could work out your guilt on your own, never asking anything of the MVS to help you with it You are not fooling anyone P.S. I do not believe that you are a therapist, that has to be a lie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 19:01:52 GMT -6
Have you read my reply to Lady? It's on this page, it describes why I am involved in all of this... No, it doesn't. Not really. It explains why you think you're involved in all of this. IMO, there's nothing special or compassionate about you. You're a murder groupie. Btw, I have a better idea about what you should do with those letters. You should bundle them up, tie them up with a pretty blue ribbon, then gently, lovingly place them in a pretty hat box. Then shove the hat box where the sun doesn't shine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 19:05:16 GMT -6
No, it doesn't. Not really. It explains why you think you're involved in all of this. IMO, there's nothing special or compassionate about you. You're a murder groupie. Btw, I have a better idea about what you should do with those letters. You should bundle them up, tie them up with a pretty blue ribbon, then gently, lovingly place them in a pretty hat box. Then shove the hat box where the sun doesn't shine. Never said that there was something special or compassionate about me. Just told my story which was as honest and insecure as I could possible be. And if these MVS would do that with this particular letter, than it's up to them to do so. DON'T YOU DARE GO NEAR ANY MVSs. YOU LUNATIC. You want to do this to hurt them more, you are just as much of a psycho as that POS scummy friend of yours. Maybe you think you can convert them. You are nothing but the lowest of the low. You are one creepy bytch. You are worse than any other scumpals that has ever been here. Therapist, I think not. NUTJOB, You bet.
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:06:14 GMT -6
Never said that there was something special or compassionate about me. Just told my story which was as honest and insecure as I could possible be. And if these MVS would do that with this particular letter, than it's up to them to do so. or better yet, you could LEAVE THEM ALONE, and NOT insert yourself into their lives And you could work out your guilt on your own, never asking anything of the MVS to help you with it You are not fooling anyone P.S. I do not believe that you are a therapist, that has to be a lie In "Dead man walking" the MVS accused Helen Prejean of only being interested and only listening to the story of the murderer. She knew she made a mistake. She drove to their home and said she would listen to their story as well. I use this as an example. I am not a nun I just try to explain that, although you feel this way (and I can only respect this), how do you know for sure all MVS feel the same way as you do?
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:07:55 GMT -6
Never said that there was something special or compassionate about me. Just told my story which was as honest and insecure as I could possible be. And if these MVS would do that with this particular letter, than it's up to them to do so. DON'T YOU DARE GO NEAR ANY MVSs. YOU LUNATIC. You want to do this to hurt them more, you are just as much of a psycho as that POS scummy friend of yours. Maybe you think you can convert them. You are nothing but the lowest of the low. You are one creepy bytch. You are worse than any other scumpals that has ever been here. Therapist, I think not. NUTJOB, You bet. Lunatic, psycho, the lowest of the low, a creepy *bi+ch*, worse than any other pen pal...
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 26, 2009 19:10:17 GMT -6
A letter out of the blue from the murderer might just be devastating. It's not even supposed to happen in the state of Texas. The murderer is not supposed to contact the survivors unless the survivors themselves request a supervised reconciliation process (with support before and after for the survivors). O no, I would never recommend that! Even after using so many words I should have used more to explain myself properly. I am sorry. I will keep this letter and look for the MVS and then try to contact them as carefully as possible, hopefully by contacting someone whom they trust at first, someone who can give them the support they need while they listen to the possibility of receiving this letter, one day, from me... May I ask why you think you need to do this for them? You don't even know them. Do you hope to mend fences between them and the murderer or something?
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Feb 26, 2009 19:10:53 GMT -6
Get over it. You had your fun, now go back to pto and whine some...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 19:13:32 GMT -6
DON'T YOU DARE GO NEAR ANY MVSs. YOU LUNATIC. You want to do this to hurt them more, you are just as much of a psycho as that POS scummy friend of yours. Maybe you think you can convert them. You are nothing but the lowest of the low. You are one creepy bytch. You are worse than any other scumpals that has ever been here. Therapist, I think not. NUTJOB, You bet. Lunatic, psycho, the lowest of the low, a creepy *bi+ch*, worse than any other pen pal... This isn't pain. THIS IS DISGUST. HOW LOW CAN THE HUMAN RACE GO? Producing something like this. you murderphile.
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:16:12 GMT -6
O no, I would never recommend that! Even after using so many words I should have used more to explain myself properly. I am sorry. I will keep this letter and look for the MVS and then try to contact them as carefully as possible, hopefully by contacting someone whom they trust at first, someone who can give them the support they need while they listen to the possibility of receiving this letter, one day, from me... May I ask why you think you need to do this for them? You don't even know them. Do you hope to mend fences between them and the murderer or something? Hi Stormyweather, I read a story about Cary Ann Medlin which touched me tremendously. I've read that after 21 years of trial and appeals, Robert Glen Coe, the one who murdered her, was executed (April 19, 2000). Cary's family watched the execution from an adjoining room. Much to their sadness, Coe did not apologize before his death. After reading this I thought some MVS's do hope for remorse. Not all of them, but some of them. Maybe these MVS would want that too... It is NOT about mending fences AT ALL between them and the murderer. In fact, I think I can only give it a try after the execution.
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:16:50 GMT -6
Get over it. You had your fun, now go back to pto and whine some... Have never been to pto
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:17:57 GMT -6
Lunatic, psycho, the lowest of the low, a creepy *bi+ch*, worse than any other pen pal... This isn't pain. THIS IS DISGUST. HOW LOW CAN THE HUMAN RACE GO? Producing something like this. you murderphile. I am not a murderphile
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 26, 2009 19:19:59 GMT -6
I never said "play nice". I wrote about the possibility to give the MVS the chance (IF they want this and ONLY if they approve) to read a letter about remorse, probably AFTER the execution and, then again, ONLY when they want this. Why would you insert yourself into their lives uninvited at all? Cant you find some drama in your own life to keep you busy, and leave these people alone? The gall, the unmitigated gall I wasn't addressing "Somebody" at all, but somehow she felt compelled to speak on behalf of whatever cause she feels is hers. I don't understand this compulsion on Somebody's part to persecute people whose loved ones have been murdered. What's the point?
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Feb 26, 2009 19:20:28 GMT -6
Stay the hell away from Carrie Ann.
"People" like coe are totally evil. He would never show remorse, he meant EVERYTHING he did to her and her family.
And stay away from my MVS's, hag.
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 26, 2009 19:20:53 GMT -6
May I ask why you think you need to do this for them? You don't even know them. Do you hope to mend fences between them and the murderer or something? Hi Stormyweather, I read a story about Cary Ann Medlin which touched me tremendously. I've read that after 21 years of trial and appeals, Robert Glen Coe, the one who murdered her, was executed (April 19, 2000). Cary's family watched the execution from an adjoining room. Much to their sadness, Coe did not apologize before his death. After reading this I thought some MVS's do hope for remorse. Not all of them, but some of them. Maybe these MVS would want that too... It is NOT about mending fences AT ALL between them and the murderer. In fact, I think I can only give it a try after the execution. Well this isn't your job. He can talk to the chaplin about how he feels. Like I said before, that is what the chaplin is there for? He can drop his appeals so he can lay on the gurney and apologize to them as other murderers have done when about to be executed. You job is to raise your sons and teach them to be productive members of society. Stop writing to him and live you life and concern yourself to what is your business.
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:22:51 GMT -6
Why would you insert yourself into their lives uninvited at all? Cant you find some drama in your own life to keep you busy, and leave these people alone? The gall, the unmitigated gall I wasn't addressing "Somebody" at all, but somehow she felt compelled to speak on behalf of whatever cause she feels is hers. I don't understand this compulsion on Somebody's part to persecute people whose loved ones have been murdered. What's the point? I answered the questions Lady asked me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 19:30:33 GMT -6
or better yet, you could LEAVE THEM ALONE, and NOT insert yourself into their lives And you could work out your guilt on your own, never asking anything of the MVS to help you with it You are not fooling anyone P.S. I do not believe that you are a therapist, that has to be a lie In "Dead man walking" the MVS accused Helen Prejean of only being interested and only listening to the story of the murderer. She knew she made a mistake. She drove to their home and said she would listen to their story as well. I use this as an example. I am not a nun I just try to explain that, although you feel this way (and I can only respect this), how do you know for sure all MVS feel the same way as you do? All I know is you are perfectly willing to take the risk of hurting them more to try to make yourself feel better. You are okay with that risk as long as you get what you want out of it. Selfish Drama queen
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:44:50 GMT -6
In "Dead man walking" the MVS accused Helen Prejean of only being interested and only listening to the story of the murderer. She knew she made a mistake. She drove to their home and said she would listen to their story as well. I use this as an example. I am not a nun I just try to explain that, although you feel this way (and I can only respect this), how do you know for sure all MVS feel the same way as you do? All I know is you are perfectly willing to take the risk of hurting them more to try to make yourself feel better. You are okay with that risk as long as you get what you want out of it. Selfish Drama queen Selfish drama queen No, I am not taking the risk of hurting them. If ALL of the MVS on this board agree that remorse doesn't mean anything to any MVS in the U.S.A, period, if there are no exceptions, if nobody cares, if you all know that this is absolutely true, than I will do nothing at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 19:57:45 GMT -6
All I know is you are perfectly willing to take the risk of hurting them more to try to make yourself feel better. You are okay with that risk as long as you get what you want out of it. Selfish Drama queen Selfish drama queen No, I am not taking the risk of hurting them. If ALL of the MVS on this board agree that remorse doesn't mean anything to any MVS in the U.S.A, period, if there are no exceptions, if nobody cares, if you all know that this is absolutely true, than I will do nothing at all. YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING WHEN YOU WERE 18.
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Post by somebody on Feb 26, 2009 19:59:25 GMT -6
Selfish drama queen No, I am not taking the risk of hurting them. If ALL of the MVS on this board agree that remorse doesn't mean anything to any MVS in the U.S.A, period, if there are no exceptions, if nobody cares, if you all know that this is absolutely true, than I will do nothing at all. YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING WHEN YOU WERE 18. I agree
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Post by Kay on Feb 26, 2009 20:18:43 GMT -6
Hello Somebody,
You wrote to someone because they murdered and received a death sentence, you say you regret writing and would never do it again, correct. Yet you still continue to write and visit?
You are now wanting to interject yourself into a situation that is none of your business, and never will be.
If the murderer is truly sorry, as you say, he will have a chance to express that remorse at the time of his execution. And, yes, I've heard some MVS say that helped them, but that's a very personal decision, and not one that an outsider should be a part of.
I think your intentions are misguided, at best. And just so you know, I too, am opposed to the death penalty.
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Post by Kay on Feb 26, 2009 20:53:04 GMT -6
There's just one more thing I'd like to add, Somebody. I shudder to think that, perhaps, your attempting to locate the MVS in this case, to express the murderer's remorse, so they will ask to have his sentence commuted. That would be an extremely cruel thing to do.
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Post by PIP on Feb 26, 2009 22:18:31 GMT -6
Hello Somebody, You wrote to someone because they murdered and received a death sentence, you say you regret writing and would never do it again, correct. Yet you still continue to write and visit? You are now wanting to interject yourself into a situation that is none of your business, and never will be. If the murderer is truly sorry, as you say, he will have a chance to express that remorse at the time of his execution. And, yes, I've heard some MVS say that helped them, but that's a very personal decision, and not one that an outsider should be a part of. I think your intentions are misguided, at best. And just so you know, I too, am opposed to the death penalty. "Knowing a victim is like knowing a celebrity. Particularly when the crime is clouded in taboo. When I was doing research for this book, back in Syracuse, I met a woman like this. Without recognizing me at first, only knowing I was writing a book on Alice Sebold's rape case, she hurried in from another room and told me and those assisting me that 'the victim in that case was my best friend.' I had no idea who she was. When someone referred to me by name, she blinked and then came forward, embracing me to save face."~Alice Sebold, from the book "Lucky" a memoir about her own rape ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think Somebody is a lot like the woman in this story (not Alice, the other woman), only the celebrity she is after is the murderer and the victim of the murder case is just simply an ends to a means. Sorry to be so blunt, but I believe this is the truth.
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Post by PIP on Feb 26, 2009 22:20:04 GMT -6
There's just one more thing I'd like to add, Somebody. I shudder to think that, perhaps, your attempting to locate the MVS in this case, to express the murderer's remorse, so they will ask to have his sentence commuted. That would be an extremely cruel thing to do. Disgusting as it is Kay, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find your suspicions correct.
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Post by Californian on Feb 26, 2009 22:23:20 GMT -6
I think Somebody is a lot like the woman in this story (not Alice, the other woman), only the celebrity she is after is the murderer and the victim of the murder case is just simply an ends to a means. Sorry to be so blunt, but I believe this is the truth. Hybristophilia "Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving being sexually aroused or attracted to people who have committed an outrage or a gruesome crime. In popular culture, this phenomenon is also known as "Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome". Many high-profile criminals, particularly those who have committed atrocious crimes, receive fan mail in prison, presumably as a result of this phenomenon. In some cases, admirers of these criminals have gone on to marry the object of their affections in prison."Edit: Also see "Narcissistic Personality disorder." www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/dsm_iv.html
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 26, 2009 23:28:54 GMT -6
There's just one more thing I'd like to add, Somebody. I shudder to think that, perhaps, your attempting to locate the MVS in this case, to express the murderer's remorse, so they will ask to have his sentence commuted. That would be an extremely cruel thing to do. I hadn't thought of that, but I think you have brought up an excellent point.
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 26, 2009 23:29:36 GMT -6
Get over it. You had your fun, now go back to pto and whine some... Have never been to pto Most of us have been at least once only to be sickened by it.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 27, 2009 2:09:31 GMT -6
Joe, you have wrote some interesting points and some bloody stupids points but that rebuutle of love for child and parent is the most daming retoric i have ever read from you which in a way explains a lot about your personality. I think genuinely your a nice guy buit you have serious issues with emotion and love. You need to find true love Joe. Your childhood circumstances have given you some pretty strong personal and emotional defence mechanisums. I genuinely fell sorry for you if you feel that way. You need to experience true love and understand the meaning of love. Its the most strongest emotion of them all, it conquers everything and knows no barriers. A child is for life, not just for christmas matey. Lisa, Storm, Pip and others have questioned my stance on the dp stating that a child is still a child to someone no matter how old they are and they are all correct. A murderer has parents as a does a victim, A muderer has children. Love connects everything to everyone. You cant switch that off no matter how you feel and you know that to be true. If you genuinely belive what you wrote then sorry Joe, i feel sorry for you. I really do. I know i could never switch of my love for my children or my parents no matter what they did. I suspect neither could anyone else on this board if they are true to themselves. You need to go and speak to someone professionally. Your lifes expreriences has turned you into a emotionless robot.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 27, 2009 2:11:49 GMT -6
Sorry, parent, my old man is dead.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 27, 2009 2:59:44 GMT -6
Elric you have been watching toooooooooooooooo many Clint Eastwood films matey. Where did that one come from, I know his charactor was Gunny Highway. What was that film called??? this is going to bug me big time until i can get this answer.
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 27, 2009 3:22:51 GMT -6
I am aware of such studies, but wonder if stormy is? I think there is no escaping soem of the possible conclusions with regard to the way we dispose of serious cases. Why just me? Why not Californian, Subsurfcpo, J.B.S., Lady, and other people who have commented? I personally could care less about how normal Nazis, who helped murder masses of people, were otherwise in their lives. You just answered the question yourself, precuisely because you could'nt care less, and probably because you dont see the popint or importance of same. Cali might vehemently oppose my view but I feel I can be certain he would understand the significance of the poibnt.
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