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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 21, 2012 18:49:48 GMT -6
I'll be glad when Charles Russell Rhines, Donald Moeller, and Suzanne Basso are gone. These are the cases I'm most familar with.
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Post by snidery on Feb 22, 2012 15:51:40 GMT -6
... and my apolgies in this thread. I dont "rate" any murder as worse than the next, however, the nastier the murder, the more you would think people would see that the death penalty is justified. I'd prefer to highlight for justification's sake than lionise the attrocities that some of these sick people have perpetrated. My apologies should I have offended anyone.
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 22, 2012 18:09:04 GMT -6
... and my apolgies in this thread. I dont "rate" any murder as worse than the next, however, the nastier the murder, the more you would think people would see that the death penalty is justified. I'd prefer to highlight for justification's sake than lionise the attrocities that some of these sick people have perpetrated. My apologies should I have offended anyone. Neither do I, but I believe some murders tend to gross us out or anger us more than others. Still all murderers should be put to death regardless.
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Post by snidery on Feb 22, 2012 18:27:16 GMT -6
Can't argue with that!
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 22, 2012 18:28:47 GMT -6
... and my apolgies in this thread. I dont "rate" any murder as worse than the next, however, the nastier the murder, the more you would think people would see that the death penalty is justified. I'd prefer to highlight for justification's sake than lionise the attrocities that some of these sick people have perpetrated. My apologies should I have offended anyone. It's not one murder is worse then the next. The extreme heinous method or numbers of, does tell us more about the murderer himself/herself though.
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Post by snidery on Feb 22, 2012 18:55:56 GMT -6
More oft than not, though, it will tell us that some people rate human life very cheaply, that some people are very cruel and that there are people in this world who wouldn't think twice before taking another human's life. I must read the anti-death penalty comments in order to understand why people would NOT want murderers put to death. It's a foregone conclusion in my book.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 22, 2012 19:37:22 GMT -6
I must read the anti-death penalty comments in order to understand why people would NOT want murderers put to death. It's a foregone conclusion in my book. I have been listening to anti DP folks for years now. When money comes up in the debate ( cost to the taxpayer) for an execution is not worth it, that one reasons used really pizzz's me off, so maybe life is cheap afterall?
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Post by snidery on Feb 27, 2012 15:41:43 GMT -6
... and money can get them off, too. Although more prevalent in places like Thailand, Malaysia, etc., rich people can buy their way out. I realise it shouldnt be a matter of money - but money is usually what it's all about unfortunately. To overcome the cost - there should be a review panel established of legal professors from Unis around the country that assess the case in an hypothetical case (no names, etc.) to remove the hystrionics or emotions found in the trial. Life is the most precious gift on the planet - however, courtesies shown to murderers makes mockery of the life of the victim. In most cases (sorry to generalise) the murderer has afforded the victim(s) no courtesy. At least the murderer is adjudged before death - which would be the only courtesy they should be extended. The problem of jurisdiction can also play a part - if every state in the US had the death penalty, you wouldnt have to worry about extradition, getting the Feds involved, etc., just put the accused to trial whereever s/he ran to, and process them there. The anti's dont proffer any solutions, so the ball will remain with pros. It's us who must do something about it to silence the arguments from the anti's - not the other way around. If money's the issue, I'm sure the family of the victim will pull the lever on the guillotine for free. There are ways and means to lessen the cost whilst not interefering with due process - it's just we have to find the way and means.
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Post by starbux on Oct 7, 2012 15:56:22 GMT -6
Tina BrownWow what a *bi+ch*, This one has to be up there with the worst of the worst. www.pnj.com/article/20120929/NEWS01/309290024/Death-penalty-Tina-Brown-teen-s-killingOne of three woman accused of beating, burning and leaving a teenager for dead in Ensley in March 2010 was sentenced to death on Friday. Tina Brown, 42, was convicted of first-degree murder in June for killing Audreanna Zimmerman, 19. Zimmerman, a mother of two, was repeatedly beaten and hit with a stun gun before she was taken to a wooded area, doused with gasoline and set on fire, according to testimony in Brown’s trial. She died 16 days later in a Mobile hospital. Following the guilty verdict, the jury unanimously recommended that Brown be sentenced to death rather than life in prison, the only other option. Circuit Judge Gary Bergosh said he agreed with the jury’s recommendation because Zimmerman’s death was “heinous, atrocious and cruel” and was done in a premeditated manner. The families of Brown and Zimmerman were not in court when the sentence was imposed. Brown has apologized since she was convicted. And prior to her sentencing, she again said she was sorry and wanted Zimmerman’s family “to have closure.” “I hope today they get it,” she said in a trembling voice. During the penalty phase of her trial, Brown’s family members and doctors testified that she has lived a hard life full of drugs and sexual abuse. That life, as well as the cocaine she ingested the day she killed Zimmerman, influenced her state of mind and the decisions she made, according to testimony. Bergosh said he gave weight to some of these arguments, but they did not outweigh the especially cruel nature of the killing in his decision to impose the death penalty. Bridgette Jensen, the prosecutor handling the case, said the State Attorney’s Office does not take seeking the death penalty lightly, and she believes it was appropriate in this case. Bergosh noted that death penalty cases are reviewed by the state Supreme Court. John Jay Gontarek, Brown’s attorney, also pointed that out during comments made after the sentencing. “These cases are difficult cases, and, of course, we’re sympathetic to the family of the victim,” Gontarek said. Death penalty cases often take years to make it through the legal system. Twenty-nine people have been executed in Florida since 2000, according to state records. The last woman to be executed in Florida was Aileen Wuornos in 2002. She killed six men in north and central Florida in 1989 and 1990. Brown’s daughter, Britnee Miller, 19, is awaiting sentencing after pleading no contest to a first-degree murder charge in the same case. Another co-defendant, Heather Lee, received a 25-year prison sentence from Bergosh after pleading no contest to a second-degree murder charge. Lee testified during Brown’s trial Written by Eric Heisig
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Oct 7, 2012 18:56:13 GMT -6
We Floridians aren't known for being the swiftest with our application of the DP, but we do get around to it.
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Post by starbux on Oct 8, 2012 0:55:46 GMT -6
Your a lot swifter than most of the states with maybe the exception of Texas
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Oct 8, 2012 15:44:07 GMT -6
Your a lot swifter than most of the states with maybe the exception of Texas Texas and Virginia at least, man Texas - now that is the express lane!
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Post by Stormyweather on Oct 8, 2012 15:59:06 GMT -6
Your a lot swifter than most of the states with maybe the exception of Texas Texas and Virginia at least, man Texas - now that is the express lane! From what I have heard Virginia express lane is the fastest.
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Post by starbux on Oct 8, 2012 19:28:26 GMT -6
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Post by starbux on Oct 8, 2012 19:54:33 GMT -6
One of the things I like about those states is that they have a compact appeals process. One of the worst states for executing people is California. What happens in California is that the attorneys can file multiple separate appeals on different issues. I believe in Virginia, Texas and I could have sworn Florida, the criminal gets one blanket appeal. The counsel must present all arguments at that appeal for all issues. They of course can and do bog up the federal circuits if there is a federal constitutionality argument that can be made. Usually this is when they argue competency or cruel and unusual punishment for Lethal Injection, of course it is looking like it is becoming harder to use the "Tard Card," and the DP will be carried out sooner than later.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Oct 8, 2012 22:30:49 GMT -6
Texas and Virginia at least, man Texas - now that is the express lane! From what I have heard Virginia express lane is the fastest. Nope, still Texas. Virginia is #2,
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Post by Stormyweather on Oct 9, 2012 8:59:29 GMT -6
From what I have heard Virginia express lane is the fastest. Nope, still Texas. Virginia is #2, Are you sure? John Muhammond was executed seven years after the murders and Texas on average executes them 10 years after conviction.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Oct 28, 2012 5:03:18 GMT -6
Texas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Florida and Missouri are the 5 states that have executed the most people. Texas has 488, Virginia has 109, Oklahoma has 100, Florida has 73 and Missouri has 68. Though most of Missouri's executions were when they were using Fred Leuchter's injection machine. Still, the difference between Texas and Virginia is big. 379 more inmates.
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Post by Stormyweather on Oct 28, 2012 9:16:17 GMT -6
Texas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Florida and Missouri are the 5 states that have executed the most people. Texas has 488, Virginia has 109, Oklahoma has 100, Florida has 73 and Missouri has 68. Though most of Missouri's executions were when they were using Fred Leuchter's injection machine. Still, the difference between Texas and Virginia is big. 379 more inmates. I was referring to which states ran the appeals process faster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 21:56:31 GMT -6
Worst of the worst- John Couey- now deceased from natural causes, although the murderer of Jessical Lunsford he was!
Susan Smith- drove her beautiful boys into the water- to their death,- fricken sickening!
And every other pedophile/child murderer!
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 5, 2012 11:21:07 GMT -6
One down two to go.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Mar 5, 2013 3:18:02 GMT -6
Can't wait until Edward Schad gets his in Arizona. He murdered a defenseless 74 year old just to get his car. He may not be the worst of the worst, but I have a special hate for people that go after kind elderly people who possibly can't defend themselves.
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 15:57:30 GMT -6
Hi Charlene....Arizonavet here, I can't believe you are still running this very-nessessary web page here...kudo's to you!
Yes, both deserved to die...very sad about the child, but my main reason that we MUST execute animals like this isn't vengeance. As emotionally satisfying as vengeance can be, it's not a morally good reason to kill anybody (IMHO).
It's still to protect the innocent.
It's been proven over & over again that they will break out, be pardoned by bleeding heart governors, or kill in prison (and no, not all prisoners deserve to die). Don't want them to even feel pain...just to cease to exist.
Can anyone even IMAGINE the horror of San Quentin, holding all the condemned murderers, yes, truly the "worst of the worst" being protected by the ninth circuit court of appeals, if there was an earth quake and all escaped?
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 16:10:21 GMT -6
How the hell did that happen? On death row they are given one plastic spoon to eat their meals with and they have to hand this back after each meal is finished right? Just because that is what they are allowed to have does not mean they can't sneak something into their cells. Freddie Owens has stabbed three inmates and one guard while on South Carolina's death row. Leon Dorsey stabbed a prison guard 17 times before his execution in Texas. That, and Silverstein was not on death row. He was serving three 25 to life sentences for murders he committed in federal prisons after going away for bank robbery. Because there was no dp in the federal system at the time, he got another 25 to life sentence. Not even worth denying it....these dedicated, sick killers will & DO kill until they are dead....that's why they need to be executed.
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 16:13:31 GMT -6
I want it to go off smooth and by the numbers. I dont want anyone saying that they are in pain or anything. But I do want them to have to have their cells covered in pictures of the victims and that the are unable to remove them... Oh no....believe it or not, THAT would only give most of them sexual gratification....these people do not think like civilized adults.
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 16:17:46 GMT -6
We Floridians aren't known for being the swiftest with our application of the DP, but we do get around to it. I'm living in Texas now...the state of the union that really cares for the innocent & protects them by executing murders the most, but I hate to admit it, it's only a matter of time before the worst of the worst will ALWAYS have a 2nd, 3rd, chance to kill again....
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 16:25:45 GMT -6
Can't wait until Edward Schad gets his in Arizona. He murdered a defenseless 74 year old just to get his car. He may not be the worst of the worst, but I have a special hate for people that go after kind elderly people who possibly can't defend themselves. Pix...my home state is Arizona (thus the name) and you've sent me to my states death row page...I've been away too long...I was photographed standing outside the Florence prison while a murderer was being executed....the photograph was on the front page of the Arizona Republic...very proud!
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 17:38:56 GMT -6
Can't wait until Edward Schad gets his in Arizona. He murdered a defenseless 74 year old just to get his car. He may not be the worst of the worst, but I have a special hate for people that go after kind elderly people who possibly can't defend themselves. Pix...my home state is Arizona (thus the name) and you've sent me to my states death row page...I've been away too long...I was photographed standing outside the Florence prison while a murderer was being executed....the photograph was on the front page of the Arizona Republic...very proud! The killer I was referring to, that I attended (outside the gates of Florence prison) was Robert Comer....a rather deserving "chap". This man, Robert Vickers killed TWICE while in Florence Prison....I know an ex-guard who knew him...he attacked guards and anyone else he could while he lived. On March 4, 1982, Vickers was an inmate on death row at the Arizona State in Florence as a result of killing Frank Ponciano. At around 6:30 p.m., Vickers was out of his cell, allegedly doing clean-up chores. Instead, he went to the cell of Buster Holsinger, another death row inmate. Vickers was upset over an earlier remark Holsinger had made about Vickers' niece. Vickers doused Holsinger and his cell with some Vitalis he had been saving and then threw burning toilet paper on Holsinger, setting him ablaze. Holsinger died as a result of tracheobronchial burns suffered in the resulting flash fire....Arizona Republic Vickers just might be the best example/reason to execute quickly....he was in prison for a relatively lesser crime when he murdered his roommate Frank Ponciano....I always DID feel that Vitalis (hair oil) was "bad for your health". As long as they BREATHE....they will be dangerous!
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Post by arizonavet on Apr 15, 2018 17:57:25 GMT -6
I can definatly disagree with that. The little old lady who pulls the plug on her terminally ill husband to end his misery IS in every sense of the word a murderer. So is the beast who rapes & murderers children. The former is never executed (as far as I know) because all states DO see a difference in murderers & only execute the worse of the worse. These differences in reasons for execution are actually codified, like "previous violent crimes" or "pecuniary gain", or "lying in wait", or "age of victim" or "multiple victims". If we even HINTED that we would execute all murderers, the death penalty would be "history" within days....very few citizens would stand for that!
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