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Post by Tozzie on May 10, 2005 6:11:17 GMT -6
Well now, a 13 year old comes onto this board and shows more intelligence, respect and thought than any person here. and you wonder why he's AGAINST the death penalty? Yeah, you all really give him a reason to listen to you. Keep up the good work ECADP. It's great to see kids like you willing to fight for something instead of out on the streets. I'm proud of you. Well thats your opinion, I don't think a 13 year old has enough life experience to have an informed opinion about the death penalty. At 13 unless you have had violence touch your life personally you really don't know, when he is older and more mature his opinion might change.
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Post by Tozzie on May 2, 2005 22:44:47 GMT -6
I agree with Sally it is very hard to get a grasp of your points and the absence of paragraphs makes everything jumbled and difficult to read.
One other point, you state Texas still uses hanging as a method of execution, I think in 1977 Texas swithed exclusivly to lethal injection.
There are states that while they have lethal injection as the method of execution, however if the inmate was sentenced to death when the previous method of execution was used the inmate is permitted to choose the method of execution.
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Post by Tozzie on Oct 4, 2005 9:57:55 GMT -6
You will also find that, although Blakely is essentially correct, that different States have different laws as to exactly how it works. (i.e. States usually have different lists of "Aggravating Factors" that would qualify one for the Death Penalty) there is a host of information on the internet. Chazz Blakely is correct on how it works, in everystate you must have aggravating factors and in every state the aggravating factors must outweigh the mitigating factors. As to what constitues an aggravating factor each state is different. Two different principles chazz.
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Post by Tozzie on Mar 23, 2007 18:10:17 GMT -6
They've run out of money to pursue the DP in the Brian Nichols case (GA court room shooter) - so the trial is on hold until September. The defense has offered to plead guilty for LWOP, but the prosecution wants to push for DP. www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=89552Considering his crime and where he commited it he is the absolute poster child for the death penalty , society is not safe from him.
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Post by Tozzie on Mar 4, 2007 13:06:47 GMT -6
It's interesting that even when those in favour of the death penalty are about to get their fervent wish & someone is literally minutes away from being put to death, just a few words from that person can still make you so unhappy. I honestly don't think there is anything that these murders have done or could do that would make the MVS feel any worse than the day their loved one was murdered.
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Post by Tozzie on Jan 21, 2006 23:37:04 GMT -6
It is truly amazing what these monsters will try to avoid their punishment, if they had only given the same consideration to their victims they wouldn't be where they are now. I don't care what method they use as long as we can say Buh-Bye to another oxygen thief it is okay by me
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Post by Tozzie on Dec 19, 2005 19:05:18 GMT -6
OH, you mean wesley cook? I thought he's off DR & livin' large behind bars. What did I miss? The last I heard was the decision throwing out his death sentence was under appeal and a few months ago blakely sent me a court decision and it doesn't bode well for this vile creature.
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Post by Tozzie on Dec 12, 2005 22:08:22 GMT -6
The anti-dp crowd are acting like real a-holes outside San Quentin. They are attacking reporters physically. If a reporter asks where they are from, their canned response is: “You're attacking me. I consider it an act of violence.” None of them know the names of any of the victims including Jesse Jackson. Any response they give as to why they are there is barely coherent. www.kfi640.com/main.html I listened to it for a while, one woman kept telling them the victims aren't the point and that all the tookies prints weren't the only ones in the 7/11 where he murdered Albert Owens, well I do hope they had customers in the store. Where do they come up with this junk? Oh and that Judge Mathis of tv fame was there with the good Jesse Jackson, broke a mike of one of the KFI reporters then turned around and said they attacked him. It will all be over soon and tookie will be worm food!
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Post by Tozzie on Nov 6, 2005 19:37:13 GMT -6
Does anyone know what is happening with Christa? This vile creature had originally dropped her appeals but I recently read that she has since decided to reinstate them, another waste stealing oxygen from us.
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Post by Tozzie on Oct 15, 2005 18:55:01 GMT -6
April 5, 2005 South Carolina Melissa "Missi" McLauchlin, 25 Joseph Gardner stayed A man who had been scheduled to die on April 8 for the kidnapping and murder of a Charleston woman 12 years ago, has been granted a stay of execution so he can pursue federal appeals. The stay for Joseph Gardner was granted U.S. District Judge Henry Herlong, Does anyone have any information of why this judge stayed this execution ?? ( I woud be interested in hearing what reasons ) [/b] ( If there was (EVER) a person whom the death peanalty was designed for ) this fellow ranks #1 I CANNOT BELIEVE A STAY WAS GRANTED)!! THIS JUDGE NEEDS TO (( GO )) [/quote] It is very unfortunate that the execution was stayed, however since the states attorney didn't appeal or didn't win an appeal it is likely that this vile creature had not exhausted all his appeals and of course he has more rights than the victim so he is still stealing oxygen from society.
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Post by Tozzie on Oct 8, 2005 15:04:48 GMT -6
Luis Ramirez was found guilty on the sole evidence of a named police informer, a drug addict who was given $500 to name Luis as the murderer. Luis has an independent witness, who has given him an alibi to say he was valueing her property at the time. There are phone bills and petrol receipts to back this up. Luis is innocent, his only crime appears to be poor and unable to pay for a decent lawyer to represent him. Why don't you read up about his case and then tell me if you are so happy that he will be murdered by the state of Texas. For a so called Christian country, you don't seem to mine breaking the 'thou shall not kill' commandment. I thought only God could tkae and give life? Get a grip! First of all the USA is a country of many Religions, that being said, Religion has nothing to do with the law, it is kept seprate for a reason. Now iif you have any link to court documents or other credible proof of your above claims other than amnesty iinternational or some other biased anti organization please post I would love to read them. I won't be holding my breath waiting mind you because I think it will be a long wait.
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Post by Tozzie on Sept 28, 2005 19:15:36 GMT -6
He never was human...Just an animal and he will be put down just like any other rabid dog...A needle ful of chemicals. Poster boy for why the death penalty is necessary in our country. I prefer the term vile evil monster, I have pets and calling them animals insults them.
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Post by Tozzie on Sept 16, 2005 17:11:21 GMT -6
[Qoute] If you can provide examples with links to court records of innocence, I would be interested to investigate further. Anyone can say that the executed were possibly innocent - that is why I was specific. [EndQuote] Ok. I heard your scream. The exact reason why i believe she was INNOCENT is stated in this PDF document : Link (URL) : www.amnesty.nl/downloads/vs230805.pdfThe executors should be ashamed of themselves... because they didn't want to read that document... or the court denied the appeal while knowing. Maybe one of them had the avenged insurance policy i mentioned, whilst getting that booty of money to let her be killed "legally" yuck.. just think about that possability !!! Friendly greetings Wim Hamhuis The Netherlands Europe That document is nothing more than a summary of an appeal filed by an attorney for a coward that didn't want to meet the same fate as her victims. As for this fictitious insurance policy, if I understand you correctly you have some conspiracy theory that some has a policy on Frances Newton, that is beyond ludicrous, I don't' know of any insurance company that would issue a policy for someone on death row!
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Post by Tozzie on Sept 15, 2005 23:54:28 GMT -6
LIVINGSTON, Texas -- The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals on Thursday stopped the scheduled execution next week of convicted killer Michael Riley so a hearing can be held on claims that he's mentally retarded. Seems this is latest EXCUSE for committing a vicious murder
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Post by Tozzie on Sept 14, 2005 15:25:41 GMT -6
She already got 120 day stay to look at and retest evidence One can look at and retest the same evidence over and over and get the same result. What is not happening is testing the additional evidence that was not presented or admitted in the first place. And so, a woman will die... whether she is guilty or not... and maybe yet another killer will laugh because he got away with murder. You are right, "additional evidence" is not being tested but then again it is hard to test something that doesn't exist!
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Post by Tozzie on Sept 14, 2005 10:14:33 GMT -6
You can bet JJ will be all over this. Do you think this will influence Perry to give her a stay?? What are the odds of this going forward this evening?? She already got 120 day stay to look at and retest evidence, that only further proved her guilt. Now they have nothing so they are playing the race card crap which is disgusting. This woman murdered her own family and the only thing that is wrong about this execution is that it has taken over 17 years to take place.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 1, 2005 18:54:54 GMT -6
Amen to that. I hope people would start referring to folks like the Oklahoma City Truck Bomb Murderer without saying his name or showing his picture ever again. The one thing that 2-bit low-life wanted from day one was publicity. Unfortunately, his name will be archived forever as a matter of public record in legal files, but it would be nice if every other venue voluntarily erased his name and picture. It is unfortunate but that monster and his name will never fade, even if he got LWOP he would just be another charles manson who has fanclubs and websites. The enormity of the act and the fact that he was an American who did that to Americans ensures he has a place in history.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 26, 2005 21:17:32 GMT -6
the scumbag should of been put on death row for his first killing...he got life and killed a Correctional Officer...is that not the poster child for the death penalty But, But Bryan this monster is a misunderstood victim of the state. He is just ask him. Not, poster child absolutely, he has proven that he will kill again weather in prison or out of prison, he is a danger to those around him both prison staff and other prisoners and should have been summarily executed after he was sentenced. It is a shame that this vile monster is still stealing oxygen!
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 26, 2005 19:09:57 GMT -6
Convicted murderer James Harlow wants a federal court to force the state to turn over records that may show his conviction and death sentence were unconstitutional, his attorneys wrote last week. Harlow was convicted in 1998 of the June 26, 1997, stabbing death of Wyoming State Penitentiary guard Cpl. Wayne Martinez during an escape attempt with two other inmates. The Wyoming Supreme Court declared in February that Harlow's right to justice was not prejudiced by the fact that he was shackled during his trial, and justices called for a new execution date on March 31. Harlow then appealed to federal court, and U.S. District Judge Clarence Brimmer in early March stayed his execution so the appeals process could proceed. The state, through the Wyoming attorney general's office, has not responded yet to Harlow's motion. Harlow asserted during his trial that two other inmates -- Richard Aaron Dowdell and Bryan Collins, who both received life sentences -- intended to kill a guard during the escape, but he did not, according to the discovery motion filed by his attorneys, Terry Harris of Cheyenne and Sean O'Brien of Kansas City, Mo. In the penalty phase of the trial, Harlow's attorneys unsuccessfully presented evidence for mitigation that he was the victim of childhood abuse and neglect that left him with post-traumatic stress disorder and clinical depression, according to the motion. They also unsuccessfully presented evidence that Martinez's actual killer received a life sentence, and so should Harlow, according to the motion. But the prosecution successfully argued that Harlow should be sentenced to death because he posed a future danger to society. In his effort to revisit the innocence-guilt and penalty phases of the trial, Harlow wants the state to produce records about inmates who testified against him. One inmate later stated his release from prison was a result of an agreement with the prosecution to testify against Harlow, according to the motion for discovery. Harlow wants documents, depositions and physical evidence about Martinez's murder from the Rawlins Police Department, the Carbon County Sheriff's Department and the prison because those agencies refused to cooperate with his defense attorneys during the trial, according to the motion. During the penalty phase of the trial, the prosecution presented evidence that Harlow's conviction for raping and killing his cousin, Tammy Schoopman, in Rock Springs in 1985 showed that he would be a future danger to society and he deserved the death penalty, according to the motion. Subsequent investigations have raised questions about that conviction, including police reports that another person admitted to the crime, and Harlow wants evidence about the investigation of that crime such as body fluids that now could be submitted for DNA testing, according to the motion. Harlow also wants the state to provide information about what it knows about unsafe, inhumane and hazardous conditions at the prison, according to the motion. "Throughout the attempted escape, Dowdell and Collins attempted to goad the law enforcement officers into shooting them because they were tired of being treated like animals," the document says. Besides prison conditions, Harlow wants the prison's policies, disciplinary incidents against inmates and staff, psychiatric medicines given to prisoners, guards using excessive force, and other information, according to the motion. Finally, Harlow wants the federal court to review the Wyoming Supreme Court's February decision upholding his death sentence that included justification for shackling him and thereby prejudicing the jury, according to the motion. NewsTracker * Last we knew: The Wyoming Supreme Court upheld the conviction and death sentence of James Harlow, who then appealed to federal court. * The latest: Harlow's attorneys filed a motion calling for the state to produce records about inmates who testified against him. * What's next: The state of Wyoming has an opportunity to respond to the motion, and a federal judge will consider the issue. Why don't we blame the state for the Tsunami, the earthquakes in California and heck the hurricanes in Florida. This vile monster raped and murdered his own cousin and then murdered a Correctional Officer while in prison I don't think this one should have a chance for strike 3.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 27, 2005 9:52:08 GMT -6
There are a lot of guilty people who don't take plea deals that are offered to them, mainly from what I have read it is because they think they are smarter and know more about the law than the prosecutor and after they are convicted they scream foul. One recent example was, Donald Jones in Missouri. he murdered his own grandmother when she refused to give him money for drugs. He didn't think he would get the death penalty so he refused the plea, if he had accepted the plea he would have gotten lwop.
I have to correct a 2 error you repeatedly keep posting.
First Hadrians Wall was built by the Romans not the Scots.
and Second.
In the US a person is not found "innocent" they are found "not guilty" which means there wasn't enough evidence to convict someone. In Richey's case the court in no way shape or form declared him "innocent" they ruled that the evidence at the time did not support a Capital Murder charge under the laws in place at the time that is a big leap to saying he is innocent. are you saying then that in the US if you are accused, go to court where no evidence is offerred and are released you continue to be thought of as guilty but unproven? That is some system Tozzie dont you think? I don't know why I am bothering since you seem to enjoy being so obtuse so her is goes. No what I am saying is there is a difference in the meaning of the words innocent and not guilty, OJ was guilty as sin, he was found not guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt) he wasn't found innocent. Under the laws of the US the accused once found not guilty can never be re tried.
AS to your insinuation about our legal system, I wouldn't throw any stones if I were you considering the way your legal system lets murderers out of jail. I don't have a problem with the US legal system it seems tha the only ones who don't like it are the crimminals and their supporters.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 27, 2005 6:20:56 GMT -6
I believe myself that Kenny is an innocent man. I have never said the courts have said hes innocent either. If the courts were so sure that Kenny was guilty they would never have quashed his death sentance or even have doubts about it Kenny would have been executed before now. So now in my eyes people are looking at Kenny's case and saying yes there have been mistakes made there has been some sort of misjustice here. Things are going in the right direction for Kenny finally being released at long last. And the part where i mentioned Hardians wall was a joke my dear. Where i come from its often said if they built Hardians wall higher we might have kept the english out. I will try to say this again, the court that ruled on this case, looked at the law as it applied to the Capital Murder charge. The court said he the charge should have been a lesser charge. That is the reason they overturned the sentence, he must be retried on a lesser charge has nothing to do with them finding him innocent or guilty.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 26, 2005 19:40:45 GMT -6
I knew we built hardians wall for a reason ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Kenny has stood by for 18 years and said he never ever started that fire. He could and would have been free years ago now if he accepted a plea bargin he was given and he never took it as it meant he would still be guilty. I tell you one thing if i was guilty and they gave me the same plea bargin they gave Kenny i would have jumped at the chance. But he never as he WILL not admitt to something he never done. Now that shows me what a strong proud and brave man KENNY RICHEY really is. There are a lot of guilty people who don't take plea deals that are offered to them, mainly from what I have read it is because they think they are smarter and know more about the law than the prosecutor and after they are convicted they scream foul. One recent example was, Donald Jones in Missouri. he murdered his own grandmother when she refused to give him money for drugs. He didn't think he would get the death penalty so he refused the plea, if he had accepted the plea he would have gotten lwop.
I have to correct a 2 error you repeatedly keep posting.
First Hadrians Wall was built by the Romans not the Scots.
and Second.
In the US a person is not found "innocent" they are found "not guilty" which means there wasn't enough evidence to convict someone. In Richey's case the court in no way shape or form declared him "innocent" they ruled that the evidence at the time did not support a Capital Murder charge under the laws in place at the time that is a big leap to saying he is innocent.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 8, 2005 10:59:52 GMT -6
Has anyone got any more information on this execution, is this still scheduled for tomorrow? Tomorrow is my birthday, what a crappy gift! Happy Bithday, since he is a volunteer it is not likely that there will be a stay of execution.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 12, 2005 11:46:35 GMT -6
yep Site? I am really not interested you seem to think he is innocent I don't he was part of the crime that makes him guilty as far as I am concerned and apparently as far as the Law was concerned as well. He had the chance at the same plea his co criminals got he decided not too take it but was stupid enough to write letters incriminating himself , to coin a phrase RED used he is a victim of his own actions and no one elses. If I'm innocent, I'm not going to plea guilty..... He was guilty of the robbery, not of the murder...... If he was part of the robbery he was part of the murder maybe not in his mind but he was. It would also be nice if the anti's told the whole story as well.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 12, 2005 9:18:31 GMT -6
Someone want to tell us how "innocent" he was again? I guess he sealed his own fate. At the top of this thread, there is a site posted with official information about his execution, etc....it will explain many things about his case if you read it. Site? I am really not interested you seem to think he is innocent I don't he was part of the crime that makes him guilty as far as I am concerned and apparently as far as the Law was concerned as well. He had the chance at the same plea his co criminals got he decided not too take it but was stupid enough to write letters incriminating himself , to coin a phrase RED used he is a victim of his own actions and no one elses.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 12, 2005 8:54:01 GMT -6
cartwright asks forgiveness from Rick Moraida's family after his 'Innocent' strategy fails. Quote: Last words and such: "I want to apologize to the victim's family for any pain and suffering I caused them." www.deadmaneating.com/dmearch.html rc was also the undisputed leader of the gang and he tried to contact and influence the testimony of Hagood. Certainly not innocent behavior. Quote: Cartwright wrote to Hagood: "My statement was vague and doesn't put the gun in your hand. Your statement don't hurt me because you saw nothing." Woerner now believes those letters sealed Cartwright's fate. Woerner said he told Cartwright at the time not to talk to the other defendants in the case, but he said Cartwright evidently took that advice to mean that writing them was all right. Woerner said he learned of the letters during jury selection. "I was just flabbergasted," he said. "The statement indicated to the jury pretty strongly that he was involved in the murder. Without the letters, I think he probably would not have been convicted." Skurka, who tried the case, said he was concerned that the only eyewitness was a participant in the crime and his testimony might have been discounted by the jury because he had reached an agreement with prosecutors. Cartwright's letters helped abate that concern. "I didn't have a priest walking by seeing them kill him," Skurka said. "Even if you didn't believe the co-defendant, the guy in his own handwriting says he was there." Skurka said it was clear from the beginning that Cartwright was the leader of the pack and had taken the gun from the younger men because he didn't think they would be able to pull the trigger if it came to that. He also said prosecutors did not pursue a hate crimes charge because they already were trying the highest charge possible, capital murder. Dr. Burk Strong, foreman of the jury that convicted and sentenced Cartwright to death, said he has no doubt of Cartwright's guilt. He said the entire case, not just the testimony of the co-defendants or the letters, pointed to guilt. "The evidence was quite strong," he said. "I think it was a just sentence. It was a stone-cold murder www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_3779882,00.html Someone want to tell us how "innocent" he was again? I guess he sealed his own fate.
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Post by Tozzie on May 19, 2005 17:26:54 GMT -6
That was very helpful, however I still have a question. If all appeals have been exhausted at the time that an execution date is set...where does the 'stay' come in? I mean....do they ALL apply or ask for a 'stay' and some get them granted and some don't? I am very ignorant about these issues, so I have lots of questions. I just happen to see people on here saying things like: "so&so is suppose to be executed on Friday, but it 'looks' like he will get a 'stay'." How do they know that...or are they just guessing without any knowledge whatsoever? I'm just curious as to how people KNOW the odds of him being executed, or PROBABLY getting a stay?? Again, the information is general, but in some cases the prosecutors will ask for the death warrant after the first appeal or after the last state appeal and since the inmate has recourse in other courts they may be granted a stay. Then sometimes the inmates attorney will try last ditch efforts such as mental illness or mental retardation. The defense can raise issues weather they have merit or not and then the court will decide the merit of it. I should have stated in my previous post that the death warrant is sought after all serious (I can't think of the word that I want to use) appeals have been exhausted.
I have stated several times that I think that separate appeals courts should be established in each state with Capital Punishment as well as within the Federal court system. these courts would only handle DR cases and thereby speeding up the process while protecting the offenders right to appeal. This would be good for the pros and the antis would have one less excuse as the prisoners would languish on DR for 20 years. HTH
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Post by Tozzie on May 18, 2005 22:08:20 GMT -6
Speaking of that..... I have a question that I would like answered honestly, and to the best of ones ability. WHEN is an execution date set? I mean...... A trial is held, and a guilty verdict is handed down, then the criminal is sentenced to death, then what happens? How many appeals do they get, how many years can they drag them out? WHY, exactly DOES it take so long to execute once the final sentence has been handed down? It seems so crazy to me for a convict to be sentenced to death, then 20 - 25 years later he is still alive. What is the problem......they just haven't gotten around to it yet? I'm not being sarcastic here, I honestly don't know. I see hundreds or thousands of inmates sitting on death row and wonder how many have execution dates...or why they don't yet? This is a general answer, some things vary state to state.
When an inmate is sentenced to death the 1st appeal is automatic and mandatory under state law. Then when that appeal is denied it can be appealed to a higher court and the federal courts. There can also be different issued the defendant raises on appeal and in some states they are seprate appeals. The courts are backlogged and it can sometimes take longer than two years for an appeal and decision. multiply that by 4-6 appeals and you arrive at the 12-20 years an inmate spends on dr. Now texas being the good state that they are enacted laws streamlining the appeals process so they have quicker resolution to the issue. The great Republic of California is an anomoly all its own, it takes an average of 5-7 years to get a lawyer assigned to handle the first mandatory appeal then of course the Federal Appeals court is the 9th circuit court of fools so they stay, reverse and throw out convictions like you and I drink water so I think 25 years is the average for a california prisoner to spend on death row. I used to have a website listing all the court filings with dates and dates of rulings for Florida DR inmates I will try and find it again so you can see what the timeline looks like. Then usually when it appears all appeals have been exhausted the prosecutor requests a execution date and a warrant is issued. In some states the judge signs the warrant and in others it is the governor, also some states the warrant is for a period of 1 week and in others the warrant is for one specific day. HTH. appears.
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Post by Tozzie on May 11, 2005 14:32:41 GMT -6
Yet another fine reason why we should Juice them quick.A mutt confesses to his crime and some pansy Judge decides he's a good guy afterall. It is common knowledge that polygraph test results are not admissable as evidence in most states. The fact a juror knew the test had taken place is meaningless since the results would never have been admitted into evidence. I have to look at this case a little more but I think an appeal is in order. Sure this wasn't the 9th circut court of fools deciding this?
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Post by Tozzie on May 10, 2005 17:36:37 GMT -6
In Memory of Amanda Greenwell. www.geocities.com/foramandagreenwell/On Inside Edition tonight after the ABC nightly news at 11:00pm will be Rick Greenwell - Amandas Dad - my cousin, Rob Endres - husband of Patrice Endres, and Amber & Jennifer Nichols - daughters of Lisa Nichols. Amanda, Patrice and Lisa were murdered by Jeremy Bryan Jones. I know in many families there are opposing sides, heck my sister is more radical anti than you could ever be, that being said I am curious how does the rest of your family feel about the case, what do your cousins parents wish as punishment.
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