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Post by Donnie on Feb 28, 2006 0:09:33 GMT -6
I agree that the incidence of innocents being executed is very low most likely, my concern is that it could happen at all, But we know that the failure to execute had resulted in at least 800 deaths of innocents. Too bad you aren't concerned about the overwhelming majority of innocents accidently killed.
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Post by Donnie on Jun 3, 2006 16:38:31 GMT -6
Interestingly enough, I live in a state that votes heavily Democratic, yet almost 70% of the voters supported the DP last time it came to the ballot. Not only that, but California voters voted out a California Supreme Court Justice who did everything she could to prevent the use of the DP in California.
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Post by WankerMcGoo on Jul 26, 2006 16:05:54 GMT -6
Hi, for a school debate, I have to tell the audience what action they can take to defend the death penalty Tell the audience to stop thinking of the so-called “Death Penalty” as a penalty and to start thinking of it as a humanitarian form of euthanasia that will spare the convicted murderer the anguish of spending years of confinement behind bars while, at the same time, insuring that he/she will never kill another innocent person.
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Post by Donnie on Jul 29, 2006 5:42:14 GMT -6
Hi, for a school debate, I have to tell the audience what action they can take to defend the death penalty Tell the audience to stop thinking of the so-called “Death Penalty” as a penalty and to start thinking of it as a humanitarian form of euthanasia that will spare the convicted murderer the anguish of spending years of confinement behind bars while, at the same time, insuring that he/she will never kill another innocent person. All we need is love.
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Post by Hugh E Winthrop on Jul 30, 2006 12:03:03 GMT -6
The death penalty as applied in the United States is not a deterrent but a cash cow for lawyers. If the execution was public hanging, televised, and carried out within 24 hours of sentencing, that would be a deterrent to the young gang bangers! If the criminal is going to die anyway, attempt to deter others from the same fate, not hide it away for 20 years of appeals and shield the public from the humane execution.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Aug 2, 2006 6:50:33 GMT -6
Okay so the young woman asked a good question and we go off and debate ourselves . The opposable thumbs was great, joseph. Two thumbs up for that. Bavaria doesn't appear to know what debate means in a US school setting. I was on the debate team and it was two podiums with a student standing at each (representing opposing views) and you have so much time to give reasons why your position is the right one. A new age concept for SURE, Bavaria (you make great cream pies btw). . The action citizens can take are exactly what Donnie wrote. Write to their local, state and federal representatives and CALL CALL CALL. Politicians HATE their phone ringing and it moves them to action. In addition, volunteering at local abuse shelters and other victim advocacy centers. Although the majority of crimes they find there will not be in regards to the DP it will shine a light on the bigger moral/social issues relating to serious crimes. Lastly I would encourage her use this forum to challenge the students to know what they believe and why (either side). Personally I think one of the biggest things lacking in parenting today is the encouragement of children to know what they believe. I wasn't taught that, I was from a liberal family and we didn't discuss issues at all...regardless of the topic because it wasn't fun. That was great but once I grew up I realized the only response I had when confronted with what I believed was that I just knew it was right/wrong but couldn't say WHY.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Aug 2, 2006 6:51:45 GMT -6
BTW... I know I'm new here...but at least I had the cajones to sign up and not come in as a guest, flame, then leave.
Didn't wanna wait for your username to be approved?
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Post by Donnie on Aug 6, 2006 13:07:09 GMT -6
In addition, volunteering at local abuse shelters and other victim advocacy centers. Although the majority of crimes they find there will not be in regards to the DP it will shine a light on the bigger moral/social issues relating to serious crimes. A beautiful suggestion. Since my parents had substantially different beliefs, this happened in my family regardless of the issue. However, it was strongly reinforced by my public school teachers as well/ A post on another thread caused me to think of another way to support the DP, for those with some artistic ability. There are serveral popular songs that present the viewpoint of a murderer facing execution. But I know of no songs, popular or otherwise, that present the point of view of a murder victim.
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Post by depressio on Aug 14, 2006 12:02:22 GMT -6
Regarding the original poster's question, I would say that the best way to make an impact on any political issue is to send a letter (handwritten and signed are best, but typed and signed works as well) to your state and national representatives. Make sure you let them know how important your issue(s) are to you and tell them how you expect them to vote.
I have friends who work on Capitol Hill who say that letters are taken much more seriously than email or even phone calls, because people who take the time to sit down and write a letter are people who are almost certain to vote.
For added effect you can follow up with a phone call.
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Post by Legal Eagle on Aug 23, 2006 13:43:16 GMT -6
:DWe must support the death penalty for Justin Fuller who says he was"just caught up in the situation". lets pray for a speedy journey to the gurney. Convicted killer in Tyler slaying set to die Thursday By MICHAEL GRACZYK Associated Press LIVINGSTON — Death row inmate Justin Fuller acknowledges being present when a 21-year-old Tyler man was abducted and robbed in 1997, but he says he didn't kill the victim or show the body to friends and shouldn't be executed for it. Fuller faced lethal injection Thursday evening for the death of Donald Whittington III, who prosecutors said was forced to make an ATM withdrawal and then was taken to Lake Tyler where he was shot three times with a .22-caliber pistol. "I was just being a follower," Fuller said last week from outside death row at the Texas Department of Criminal Justice Polunsky Unit. "I was young, 18 years old. I feel like I just got caught up in a bad situation." Fuller, who would turn 28 next week, would be the 19th Texas inmate executed this year in Huntsville, equaling the total executions in the nation's busiest death penalty state for all of 2005. Another condemned inmate is set to die next week, and at least seven others are on the execution calendar the rest of the year. Even if all are put to death, the total would fall well short of the record 40 Texas executions in 2000. Fuller's lawyers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review the case and stop the punishment. Four people have been convicted in the Whittington case. Samhermundre Wideman, of Tyler, and Elaine Hays, of Red Springs, are serving life prison terms for murder. Wideman was 21 when arrested and Hays 25. Brent Bates Chandler, 19 at the time of the killing, is serving 25 years for aggravated kidnapping and aggravated robbery. Chandler, who testified against Fuller, is eligible for parole in 2009. Whittington's ATM card was found in Fuller's wallet. His watch was in Fuller's living room. The body of Whittington, a hardware store employee, was found four days after he had been reported missing and after numerous people apparently viewed the decomposing remains without reporting it to police. Investigators learned of the body after some who went to the grisly scene talked about it at Tyler's Chapel Hill High School. A student who overheard the conversation called police. The three arrested for the slaying, along with the victim, had attended the high school, and Wideman lived in the same apartment complex as Whittington. Prosecutors said the robbery plot was hatched by Hays, Wideman's girlfriend, who believed Whittington had received $15,000 from a trust fund when he turned 21. Hays' lawyers at her trial blamed the scheme on the three men. "We were going to retrieve some rings that Elaine Hays loaned to this guy for some money," Fuller said from death row. "That was the initial plan, to get her rings back." When they all were inside Whittington's apartment, the victim was sprayed with a tear gas then wrapped with an elastic bandage that covered his face. His hands and feet were bound and he was threatened with death if he didn't surrender his ATM card and password. Chandler took clothing and items from Whittington's apartment while the other assailants threw Whittington in the back seat of his own car, drove to the Chapel Hill Branch of the Arp State Bank and withdrew about $300, then went to the lake area where Whittington was killed, about 200 yards from a parking area. Fuller told police he was urinating in the lake at the time of the shooting. His partners disputed his story. "They said I was the triggerman," said Fuller, who blamed Wideman for the shooting. "Some kids went and seen the body. And what happened, they started talking." According to court records, Fuller took friends to see body the day after the shooting and detailed his involvement. From death row, he denied that. Fuller pointed to Chandler, who testified Fuller talked of how he shot the victim, as "the one who got the deal, got the lesser sentence and told on everybody." Scheduled to die next is Derrick Frazier, 29, set for execution Aug. 31 for the slaying nine years ago of a woman and her son at their home on a ranch in Refugio County in South Texas. Jermaine Herron, a companion of Frazier's also convicted in the double murder, was executed in May. ——— On the Net: Texas Department of Criminal Justice Death Row www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/fullerjustin.htm
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Post by Donnie on Dec 10, 2006 18:38:33 GMT -6
Fuller, who would turn 28 next week, would be the 19th Texas inmate executed this year in Huntsville, equaling the total executions in the nation's busiest death penalty state for all of 2005. Another condemned inmate is set to die next week, and at least seven others are on the execution calendar the rest of the year. Even if all are put to death, the total would fall well short of the record 40 Texas executions in 2000. Fuller has been executed and 5 other murderers after him. So there has been an improvement over 2005.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2006 13:40:14 GMT -6
I think this is an just endless debate, I think DP is not justified no matter what, As the german guy said before we should tackle our social problems first, before putting anyone to an electric chair, you cannot just do that as an answer to justice, regards, frank stopthedeathpenalty.blogspot.com/
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Dec 12, 2006 14:18:01 GMT -6
The death penalty is a deterrent. It deters criminals forever. I do not see them commiting crimes so it works.
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Post by Lisa on Dec 13, 2006 1:59:13 GMT -6
I think this is an just endless debate, I think DP is not justified no matter what, As the german guy said before we should tackle our social problems first, before putting anyone to an electric chair, you cannot just do that as an answer to justice, regards, frank stopthedeathpenalty.blogspot.com/Excuse me, but crime (especially violent crime) is a horrendous social problem like no other. IMO the death penalty is a necessary answer to violent crime. First and foremost we should protect the lives of innocent people. Those who are executed will never again harm anyone else. It's simple.
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Post by Even on Dec 13, 2006 23:20:39 GMT -6
I As the german guy said before we should tackle our social problems first, Murder is a social problem. Execution is not an answer to justice, it is justice.
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Post by shariah on Dec 18, 2006 15:22:04 GMT -6
Florida's governor halted all executions in the state until a commission can investigate and report what went wrong with the lethal injection of Angel Nieves Diaz on December 13. Gov. Jeb Bush issued an executive order announcing a panel of experts to make recommendations for changes to the process and said that no death warrants will be signed until modifications are adopted. Diaz's execution took more than twice as long as normal and required two rounds of the lethal chemicals. Witnesses stated that Diaz appeared to be moving, grimacing, and trying to mouth words after the first injection.
Hours later on Friday, U.S. District Judge Jeremey Fogel ruled that California's process of lethal injection was "broken" and violated the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. He noted a "pervasive lack of professionalism" in the supervising of executions. His ruling followed extensive hearings over many months to try to find a solution to the lethal injection controversy. The execution of Michael Morales in California was halted at the 11th hour early in the year after doctors, who were called in to supervise the lethal injection, decided that they could not do so for ethical reasons. Both Gov. Bush and Judge Fogel indicated that modifications to the lethal injection process may still allow the method to be used in the future.
Officials in Florida had earlier indicated that Diaz's lengthy execution may have been due to a pre-existing medical condition. But doctors interviewed indicated that there were likely problems with the execution process. "I'm at a loss to explain all those occurrences," said Dr. Rafael Miguel, a University of South Florida professor who is president of the Florida Society of Anesthesiologists. "It just makes it hard to make any conclusion about what happened."
"If he really moved for that amount of time, there was some huge problem," said Dr. Jonathan Groner, an associate professor for surgery at Ohio State University who has testified in death penalty cases. "One can only surmise that he did not become unconscious and he felt pain." (See St. Petersburg Times, Dec. 15, 2006, N.Y. Times, Dec. 15 & 16, 2006; Washington Post, Dec. 16, 2006).
Diaz's execution was the last one scheduled in the country this year. He was the 53rd person executed this year, and the fourth in Florida. On the whole, executions are down 12% from last year and down over 45% since 1999. See DPIC's 2006 Year End Report and Lethal Injection. Read Gov. Bush's Executive Order. Read Judge Fogel's Decision in the Morales case.
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Post by skeptical on Dec 18, 2006 17:44:11 GMT -6
Florida's governor halted all executions in the state until a commission can investigate and report what went wrong with the lethal injection of Angel Nieves Diaz on December 13.
Simple. The IVs infiltrated. It happens. It happens thousands of times a day in hospitals regardless of the expertise of the person who starts the IV.
He noted a "pervasive lack of professionalism" in the supervising of executions.
Who's fault is that? Any time the state(s) try to use medical professionals, the antidp, leftist, professional organziations like the AMA and nurse associations (who do not represent the views of the rank and file), threaten to yank the license of the participant.
It's intellectual dishonesty all around. There will never be a method acceptable to the antis.
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Post by grandma on Dec 18, 2006 18:12:16 GMT -6
Excellent post Skeptical
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Post by Donnie on Feb 12, 2007 22:59:03 GMT -6
I think DP is not justified no matter what, Perhaps someday you will learn to think clearly.
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Post by Ariel on Feb 13, 2007 15:25:46 GMT -6
I agree. Whatever method was used would never satisfy the antis.
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Post by Donnie on Mar 21, 2007 22:15:13 GMT -6
I agree. Whatever method was used would never satisfy the antis. But they are satisfied with whatever method a murderer uses to kill his victim.
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Post by Donnie on May 21, 2007 22:01:44 GMT -6
As the german guy said before we should tackle our social problems first, before putting anyone to an electric chair A murderer who kills again after he was not executed for his first murder conviction is a serious social problem.
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