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Post by sally104 on Aug 25, 2005 18:58:29 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 19:03:26 GMT -6
Does anyone know about this process, how a letter writing campaign effects the actual decision? Dead Elvis, do you know sir? Should we just complete and sign the form letter, or would we have more impact, if we wrote our own letters? Are they going to consider mail from other states? Just want to be sure I'm having the maximum impact. This was a terrible, terrible crime, and this person deserves to rot in prison. Kay- I was going to write my own personal letter, not some sort of 'form letter'. I think it has more meaning. I am going to address my letter to the Director of Victims Services that has the address on that same link/page. (Raven Kazen) That office told me that all letters that are sent are put into the guys files. They are taken to the parole hearing, and taken into consideration. (thats what I was told....not sure how true it is tho) This guy was a slimeball that broke into a house and brutally beat, murdered, sodomized, raped, and stabbed poor 12 year old Amanda Marie Miller 12 times on THANKSGIVING DAY while her mom was at work!! It's truly a disgrace that he was sentenced to 65 years for Murder, and 25 years for Aggravated Sexual Assault and is actually eligible for parole after only 14 years!!!!! When you write your letter just be sure to put his Name and his ID# at the top of your letter. I don't think it matters that we are out of state. Many people write letters of protest that are friends or family or just acquaintances from out of state. As Benty said.....the more letters the BIGGER impact. Let me know if you guys think this is a good candidate for our letters, or if someone has a different suggestion.
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Post by happygrandmab on Aug 25, 2005 20:34:35 GMT -6
Does it say which unit this turd is housed? I would be glad to help but there might be a conflict of interest. spur, i might have missed the post. do you work in a prision?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2005 20:56:32 GMT -6
Are they going to consider mail from other states? This was a terrible, terrible crime, and this person deserves to rot in prison. Kay, if they get out they could go anywhere. If people like this get out of jail it could be any community whose safety is threatened. Letter is written, signed, stamped and ready to go.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 25, 2005 22:15:15 GMT -6
it is truly disgusting. dp should be mandatory for murderiing children Or anybody else.
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 25, 2005 23:31:58 GMT -6
Thats a start...i'll write to the board tonite...Perhaps we could start a thread each week with the Mutt of the Week as a title....then provide the name/address of the parole board etc. Posting a letter and have our list of writng scholors critique it and then post the finished copy for everyone to send...Let's ge moving!!!! I just visited the POMC site (Parents of Murdered Children). I found a good candidate for our first letter writing campaign. Check this out and see what you think? Give opinions please as to any other suggestions. This guys parole hearing is coming up in December, so we have plenty of time to FLOOD them with letters! www.pomc.com/julianflores.cfm
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 25, 2005 23:35:11 GMT -6
Excellent point, perhaps letters from other states will have an impact when they see how notorious these people are they might feel a twing of "responsibility" and not let them out..again, for 37 cents it cant hurt!! Are they going to consider mail from other states? This was a terrible, terrible crime, and this person deserves to rot in prison. Kay, if they get out they could go anywhere. If people like this get out of jail it could be any community whose safety is threatened. Letter is written, signed, stamped and ready to go.
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Post by Jane on Aug 26, 2005 2:30:49 GMT -6
Not sure what impact i can have from this side of the pond - but count me in for any back up and i will of course, help where i can
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Post by Kay on Aug 26, 2005 6:16:57 GMT -6
OK all here, is my proposed letter, input is more than welcome, so please feel free to make suggestions for change.
Dear Raven Kazen
It was come to my attention that Julian Flores, who brutally beat, raped and stabbed to death 12 year old Ms. Amanda Marie Miller on Thursday, November 24, 1988, is being considered for parole in December of this year.
Since public safety is the paramount factor in reaching a parole decision, the sheer brutality of this crime surely reveals a violent and dangerous nature and therfore, Flores release would be a threat to all citizens. I urge that you consider this factor when making your decision.
Thank you for your consideration.
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So, what do you think guys???
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Post by aka on Aug 26, 2005 7:18:31 GMT -6
OK all here, is my proposed letter, input is more than welcome, so please feel free to make suggestions for change. Dear Raven Kazen It was come to my attention that Julian Flores, who brutally beat, raped and stabbed to death 12 year old Ms. Amanda Marie Miller on Thursday, November 24, 1988, is being considered for parole in December of this year. Since public safety is the paramount factor in reaching a parole decision, the sheer brutality of this crime surely reveals a violent and dangerous nature and therfore, Flores release would be a threat to all citizens. I urge that you consider this factor when making your decision. Thank you for your consideration. .................................................................................. So, what do you think guys??? That sounds great. I wonder if a sentence stating that "his getting out in 14 years when sentenced to 65 years mocks his victim and the judicial system" would make the letter more hard-hitting? Also, that every criminal must serve the terms of his punishment (65 years in this case) before being let out and good behavior in prison doesn't alter the brutal nature of his crime or the fact that he must be punished for his deeds.
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Post by Kay on Aug 26, 2005 7:33:58 GMT -6
Thanks AKA, I will add your suggested sentence regarding the victim. I wasn't sure if I should appeal from a sense of public safety or from the point of the MVS, but the addition of your words allows me to include both aspects My letter will be in the mail today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2005 8:54:32 GMT -6
That is a great letter.
Here is what I wrote, just in case it helps someone:
RE: Julian Flores ID#00602566
To whom it may concern:
On Thanksgiving Day, November 24, 1988, 12 yr. old Amanda Marie Miller was brutally beaten, raped, sodomized, and stabbed 12 times. The murderer gained access into the house while her mother was at work. After two years of investigating the police arrested and charged Julian Flores with her murder. At the time of the murder, Julian was visiting relatives two houses from Amanda's home. Julian Flores was convicted of Murder with a deadly weapon and sentenced to 65 years. He was also convicted of Aggravated Sexual Assault and sentenced to 25 years. He will have served only 14 years when he is considered for parole. How can this be? I absolutely oppose parole for this murderer. This man brutally raped a child, and took the rest of her life from her and from everyone who loved her. Amanda’s grieving family will serve a life sentence of missing her and suffering from the horrors of this atrocity that Julian Flores has committed. Releasing this violent sadistic murderer would put the safety of everyone wherever he lived from that day forward at risk. There is no Justice for Amanda if this man is allowed to serve less than the full sentence imposed by the jury and judge who heard all the evidence of this vicious crime.
Respectfully,
I can't help but include the MVS side of it heavily on every one of these I ever write. It is what is most important to me, telling them what kind of horror they are preventing from happening again if they keep them locked up.
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 26, 2005 9:16:36 GMT -6
GREAT...Came straight from your heart, that's how I felt it...IS there a way to 'gently' put some guilt on the parole board member as an individual? For example.... I know you did not charge or prosecute this man, however the safety of everyone is in your hands if he is released"....or words to that effect. As a man who has been married over 38 years, you would think i'd know how to do guilt better...lol..But you get the drift... Also, make it personal when you mention his possible release....instead of telling Kazen that this guy would be a threat to the community, include yourself as well..Something like, "I for one would not be able to sleep at night if Mr. Flores was released"...Just some thoughts..again, great job... OK all here, is my proposed letter, input is more than welcome, so please feel free to make suggestions for change. Dear Raven Kazen It was come to my attention that Julian Flores, who brutally beat, raped and stabbed to death 12 year old Ms. Amanda Marie Miller on Thursday, November 24, 1988, is being considered for parole in December of this year. Since public safety is the paramount factor in reaching a parole decision, the sheer brutality of this crime surely reveals a violent and dangerous nature and therfore, Flores release would be a threat to all citizens. I urge that you consider this factor when making your decision. Thank you for your consideration. .................................................................................. So, what do you think guys???
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2005 9:28:26 GMT -6
That is a great letter. Here is what I wrote, just in case it helps someone: RE: Julian Flores ID#00602566 To whom it may concern: On Thanksgiving Day, November 24, 1988, 12 yr. old Amanda Marie Miller was brutally beaten, raped, sodomized, and stabbed 12 times. The murderer gained access into the house while her mother was at work. After two years of investigating the police arrested and charged Julian Flores with her murder. At the time of the murder, Julian was visiting relatives two houses from Amanda's home. Julian Flores was convicted of Murder with a deadly weapon and sentenced to 65 years. He was also convicted of Aggravated Sexual Assault and sentenced to 25 years. He will have served only 14 years when he is considered for parole. How can this be? I absolutely oppose parole for this murderer. This man brutally raped a child, and took the rest of her life from her and from everyone who loved her. Amanda’s grieving family will serve a life sentence of missing her and suffering from the horrors of this atrocity that Julian Flores has committed. Releasing this violent sadistic murderer would put the safety of everyone wherever he lived from that day forward at risk. There is no Justice for Amanda if this man is allowed to serve less than the full sentence imposed by the jury and judge who heard all the evidence of this vicious crime. Respectfully, I can't help but include the MVS side of it heavily on every one of these I ever write. It is what is most important to me, telling them what kind of horror they are preventing from happening again if they keep them locked up. Great Post JBS. I felt the twinge in your words as they were written. That is very close to the type of letter I am writing. Another thought........... Should we stop with just one letter, or should we try to write several during the 'mutt of the week'? Meaning.....as many as you wish to write about that particular MUTT for that week? Just wondering what you guys think? Actually, I went home last night and was fairly excited about starting this venture. If nothing else, it makes me feel like I'm doing something about these scumbags as opposed to sitting and B!tching about them. Thank you Benty for giving us that much needed 'kick in the butt'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2005 9:34:21 GMT -6
Another thing for those that have never written any of these letters......... You will receive a letter back from the TDCJ stating that they received your letter of protest. Just wanted to let you know that so your not alarmed when you receive a letter from them. They always send a response when they receive a letter of protest, acknowledging that they have recieved it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2005 9:40:46 GMT -6
OOOPS............ Come to think of it, you probably WON'T recieve a reply from them. I forgot that they automatically send them to me because I'm on their victim notification system. I doubt they send them to everyone, because they don't have everyones address. Oooops. I was just going from my past experience with them....SORRY for the mix-up.
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Post by Kay on Aug 26, 2005 10:39:40 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions, as well as your kind words. JBS, I thought your letter was heart wrenching, and would certainly convince me not to let Flores out of prison. Mamabear, I actually did include my address in my letter, so it's nice to know, that I may receive an acknowledgement, I'll warn my husband too, incase he thinks I've been up to something I shouldn't ;D This was a great idea Benty, and a way for me to make a positive contribution to the board, and public safety, without compromising my values. Thank you, today I really feel like I made a difference. So, Mamabear, are you going to be our official weekly mutt finder?
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 26, 2005 11:20:19 GMT -6
What's that saying "necessity is the mother of invention"? Well, I'm just so frustrated with the way the 'system' doesnt work!! That is a great letter. Here is what I wrote, just in case it helps someone: RE: Julian Flores ID#00602566 To whom it may concern: On Thanksgiving Day, November 24, 1988, 12 yr. old Amanda Marie Miller was brutally beaten, raped, sodomized, and stabbed 12 times. The murderer gained access into the house while her mother was at work. After two years of investigating the police arrested and charged Julian Flores with her murder. At the time of the murder, Julian was visiting relatives two houses from Amanda's home. Julian Flores was convicted of Murder with a deadly weapon and sentenced to 65 years. He was also convicted of Aggravated Sexual Assault and sentenced to 25 years. He will have served only 14 years when he is considered for parole. How can this be? I absolutely oppose parole for this murderer. This man brutally raped a child, and took the rest of her life from her and from everyone who loved her. Amanda’s grieving family will serve a life sentence of missing her and suffering from the horrors of this atrocity that Julian Flores has committed. Releasing this violent sadistic murderer would put the safety of everyone wherever he lived from that day forward at risk. There is no Justice for Amanda if this man is allowed to serve less than the full sentence imposed by the jury and judge who heard all the evidence of this vicious crime. Respectfully, I can't help but include the MVS side of it heavily on every one of these I ever write. It is what is most important to me, telling them what kind of horror they are preventing from happening again if they keep them locked up. Great Post JBS. I felt the twinge in your words as they were written. That is very close to the type of letter I am writing. Another thought........... Should we stop with just one letter, or should we try to write several during the 'mutt of the week'? Meaning.....as many as you wish to write about that particular MUTT for that week? Just wondering what you guys think? Actually, I went home last night and was fairly excited about starting this venture. If nothing else, it makes me feel like I'm doing something about these scumbags as opposed to sitting and B!tching about them. Thank you Benty for giving us that much needed 'kick in the butt'.
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 26, 2005 11:40:49 GMT -6
Here is the text of the letter that i mailed this moring: Raven Kazen, Director Texas Department of Criminal Justice Victim Services Division 8712 Shoal Creek Blvd, Suite 265 Austin Texas 78757
RE: Flores, TDJC #00602566 December 2005 Parole Hearing
August 26, 2005
Dear Director Kazen,
Recently I was informed that prisoner #00602566, Flores, was coming up for a parole hearing in December.
Director Kazen, I read about the murder, rape and horrific barbaric acts resulting in the death of the 12 year old Amanda Marie Miller. This little girl’s life was taken as the result of a man with absolutely no regard for human life, suffering, or life in general.
While you were not responsible for the charges against Flores, his conviction or sentence, you do have the power to put this man back on the street. I can’t think of any reason on Gods earth that you would do such a thing.
Clearly the responsibility is in your hands, and if I am mistaken, please take the time to let me know whom to contact if the parole board is so inclined to let this man out of prison.
I am not a resident of the State of Texas, however I do have a son, grandson and daughter-in-law that are residents of Texas. Please protect my family, do not let this barbarian out of prison, my hope and prayers are in your hands now.
Thank you for the courtesy of listening to my plea to keep Flores behind bars.
Very respectfully,
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 26, 2005 11:53:06 GMT -6
Here is the text of the letter that i mailed this moring Great letter, Benty. Well-done.
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Post by Eminey1 on Aug 26, 2005 12:22:07 GMT -6
it is truly disgusting. dp should be mandatory for murderiing children Or anybody else. Anyone who makes that independent choice to end someone's life should face the death penalty. Murder now seems to be the norm on the news, radio and in the daily new papers. Each victim is someones child, mother, father etc. each time I hear or see news of a murder I think of the grief that people will have to endure because some sick person with no respect for another's life committed murder.
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Post by Eminey1 on Aug 26, 2005 12:24:04 GMT -6
Oh yes, I just wanted to say that I am full support of some of the pro ideas that have been put forward. you can guarentee that herds of anti letters get through to people dealing with mutts cases, why shouldn't we as pro's and grief stricken individual's have our say about cases and the effects they have.
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Post by Benty Pro Dp on Aug 26, 2005 13:56:30 GMT -6
Janie my darling Janie my Duck, come over to the US and I'll throw you a .....dinner...lol Well of course you Brittish Bombshell...just think of how it would look that the "word" of these mutts gets all the way to Europe. Especially England since you guys have the brains and guts to support our efforts, GB is looked upon in my eyes anyhow with great admiration. When people talk about getting letters, phone calls etc the ones that stand out are from far away places...so yes, i think it would be helpful....and thank you you wonderful slice of heaven for being such an ardent supporter....who loves ya baby? Bob (benty)_ Not sure what impact i can have from this side of the pond - but count me in for any back up and i will of course, help where i can
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Post by happygrandmab on Aug 26, 2005 14:07:01 GMT -6
it is truly disgusting. dp should be mandatory for murderiing children Or anybody else. you're right!
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Post by Eminey1 on Aug 26, 2005 14:47:57 GMT -6
Too right he is happygrandma b, you choose to take a life then you should expect to loose your own.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 26, 2005 15:11:08 GMT -6
Anyone who makes that independent choice to end someone's life should face the death penalty. Murder now seems to be the norm on the news, radio and in the daily new papers. Each victim is someones child, mother, father etc. each time I hear or see news of a murder I think of the grief that people will have to endure because some sick person with no respect for another's life committed murder. That's refreshing. Some believe some murderers aren't that bad, an attitude I find very frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2005 15:13:57 GMT -6
So, Mamabear, are you going to be our official weekly mutt finder? My personal opinion on this is that I think we can all keep an eye out for a 'mutt of the week' and maybe everyone have an imput on which one we choose and when. Maybe one week we will have a couple of good candidates, but one is due to have his parole hearing sooner, so we save the other one for the next week. Just an idea.... I like that everyone has a chance to introduce a 'mutt of the week'. I'll bet Spearmint gal can come up with some good candidates too. Lets all inject our choices and then kinda choose one at a time. Ya think??? I just don't want to be the one to PICK one when someone else may come up with a better candidate. Everyone can toss in their .02 and then we can pick a 'favorite mutt'...if there is one. (dang.....I feel like I'm trying to take over the ship here, and I don't mean to)
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Post by Eminey1 on Aug 26, 2005 15:26:52 GMT -6
Anyone who makes that independent choice to end someone's life should face the death penalty. Murder now seems to be the norm on the news, radio and in the daily new papers. Each victim is someones child, mother, father etc. each time I hear or see news of a murder I think of the grief that people will have to endure because some sick person with no respect for another's life committed murder. That's refreshing. Some believe some murderers aren't that bad, an attitude I find very frustrating. Thank you joseph Sometimes to put into words what your thinking can be difficult, there are no amount of words that can express someones loss. What i really wanted to say is, murder now seems to be a daily occurance, some people just don't seem to think of the devestation that it leaves behind. As far as I see it you choose to kill then you choose to die yourself.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 26, 2005 15:30:07 GMT -6
Thank you joseph Sometimes to put into words what your thinking can be difficult, there are no amount of words that can express someones loss. What i really wanted to say is, murder now seems to be a daily occurance, some people just don't seem to think of the devestation that it leaves behind. As far as I see it you choose to kill then you choose to die yourself. You're welcome, and I agree. The public has become inured to violence. Californians, though, are an odd lot. Even the liberals here are tough on crime. There are extremely few arguing for a change in the three-strikes law, or for a return to the dark days when that idiot Rose Bird struck down capital punishment and we did without for a few years. Now if someone could just remove the criminals running the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, my state might resume its prisoner-vaccination program.
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Post by Eminey1 on Aug 26, 2005 15:39:49 GMT -6
There has been a fire in Paris, I think something like 14 children died. Some people can just switch the news off and carry on, I think for a while about the 14 families that have to suffer, have to prepare funerals and have to carry on for the rest of their living days without their loved one.
People that are murdered have starred evil, possibly the devil in the face and people just forget, it makes me both angry and torn apart.
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