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Post by rayozz on Aug 15, 2018 0:41:49 GMT -6
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Post by hawg on Aug 15, 2018 10:02:01 GMT -6
38 years of totally wasted food, clothing, shelter costs and our oxygen. we need to do better.
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Post by deathcub2000 on Aug 15, 2018 20:35:23 GMT -6
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 16, 2018 23:28:38 GMT -6
38 years of totally wasted food, clothing, shelter costs and our oxygen. we need to do better. We do need to do better than this because this case isn't about swift justice; it's an exercise in pure sadism.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 17, 2018 10:17:23 GMT -6
Why does it take decades?
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 18, 2018 10:58:59 GMT -6
Why does it take decades? Sadism! They want to torture the inmates before they kill them. What other reason could they possibly have for killing a sixty year old for crimes he committed when he was was a 22 year old?
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Post by hawg on Aug 18, 2018 11:20:12 GMT -6
Why does it take decades? Sadism! They want to torture the inmates before they kill them. What other reason could they possibly have for killing a sixty year old for crimes he committed when he was was a 22 year old? sadism? yeah, for taxpayers. is there any reason from 22 to 60 the pos couldn't have dropped all appeals and volunteer? others have.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 18, 2018 12:30:38 GMT -6
sadism? yeah, for taxpayers. is there any reason from 22 to 60 the pos couldn't have dropped all appeals and volunteer? others have. That just won't sell. Bottom-line; no civilized society with its mental faculties intact is going to kill a 60 year old for a murder he committed when he was 22 years old.
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Post by hawg on Aug 18, 2018 17:35:09 GMT -6
sadism? yeah, for taxpayers. is there any reason from 22 to 60 the pos couldn't have dropped all appeals and volunteer? others have. That just won't sell. Bottom-line; no civilized society with its mental faculties intact is going to kill a 60 year old for a murder he committed when he was 22 years old. so we'll assume you couldn't find a reason he didn't want to volunteer, leaving the state to finally do it's job. 38 years too late
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 18, 2018 21:42:49 GMT -6
so we'll assume you couldn't find a reason he didn't want to volunteer, leaving the state to finally do it's job. 38 years too late I couldn't find a reason he didn't want to volunteer? Seriously, stop arguing like a frustrated schoolgirl! Obviously he didn't want to die so that's why he didn't want to volunteer! You're simply trying to pass the ball to Carey Moore and hold him responsible for his long delayed execution. Hence, the intended purpose of an execution is to prevent condemned killers from killing again and the fact that the state killed Moore when he was an old man for crimes he committed when he was a young man did not serve this purpose. Simply put; it was a long drawn out game of Chess between killers ------albeit the ones working for the state were also sadists.
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Post by hawg on Aug 19, 2018 11:11:11 GMT -6
so we'll assume you couldn't find a reason he didn't want to volunteer, leaving the state to finally do it's job. 38 years too late I couldn't find a reason he didn't want to volunteer? Seriously, stop arguing like a frustrated schoolgirl! Obviously he didn't want to die so that's why he didn't want to volunteer! You're simply trying to pass the ball to Carey Moore and hold him responsible for his long delayed execution. Hence, the intended purpose of an execution is to prevent condemned killers from killing again and the fact that the state killed Moore when he was an old man for crimes he committed when he was a young man did not serve this purpose. Simply put; it was a long drawn out game of Chess between killers ------albeit the ones working for the state were also sadists. stop whining like the state wakes up every day with new ways to pluck his eyebrows and put bamboo shoots up his toenails. the guy lived like a king for 38 years. totally fed, clothed and housed with him not having a single concern or responsibility. yeah I agree, he wasn't a threat but he was far from a victim here. if you you have a penalty then use it. but use it right away, don't torture taxpayers for 38 years. and if he was soooo miserable and mistreated he could have bailed at any time. so spare me the he "wants to live" crap.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 19, 2018 13:14:27 GMT -6
stop whining like the state wakes up every day with new ways to pluck his eyebrows and put bamboo shoots up his toenails. the guy lived like a king for 38 years. totally fed, clothed and housed with him not having a single concern or responsibility. yeah I agree, he wasn't a threat but he was far from a victim here. if you you have a penalty then use it. but use it right away, don't torture taxpayers for 38 years. and if he was soooo miserable and mistreated he could have bailed at any time. so spare me the he "wants to live" crap. You really and truly just don't get it------your argument is totally irrelevant! What we are concerned with here is the sadistic behavior of the state, as previously mentioned, not about how Carey Moore lived for the last 38 years of his life. Hence, he should have been history no later than 35 years ago.
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Post by hawg on Aug 19, 2018 17:00:22 GMT -6
The sadistic nature of the state? How so? The state sentenced him to die many years ago. I assume "somebody" didnt want him to die. The state? "Somebody" has been appealing this sentence. The state? "Somebody" has been kicking each sentence date down the road. The state? Or do you believe the judge (state) set his initial execution date 38 years into the future. I realize the sadistic "state" PAYS for both sides of the ball here but I can't imagine the state attorney general filing appeals opposing their own attorneys. So speaking of "not getting it" maybe you could explain what's in it for the state to keep this man alive for 38. Or do you think that if a convicted murderer can survive to a certain age then the sentence should be commuted? Perhaps we should just call the Nebraska state department of corrections and ask to speak with the "sadistic prisoner treatment" bureau and have them explain this horrible practice of actually carrying out a sentence.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 19, 2018 18:51:01 GMT -6
It is not the state, it is the appeals process.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 22, 2018 22:30:19 GMT -6
do you think that if a convicted murderer can survive to a certain age then the sentence should be commuted? Yes, absolutely! Executions as far as I'm concerned are to be carried out for one specific purpose only and that is to prevent the condemned from killing again. Therefore, killing a 60 year old for a murder he committed when he was 22 years old hardly serves that purpose.
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Post by hawg on Aug 23, 2018 10:17:21 GMT -6
do you think that if a convicted murderer can survive to a certain age then the sentence should be commuted? Yes, absolutely! Executions as far as I'm concerned are to be carried out for one specific purpose only and that is to prevent the condemned from killing again. Therefore, killing a 60 year old for a murder he committed when he was 22 years old hardly serves that purpose. So he wasn't dangerous enough to execute but apparently he was dangerous enough to keep in a cage all this time. Why don't we kick him free if he is so "non-dangerous?" Nope, to me execution is punishment first and foremost. Deterrence is just the gravy.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 23, 2018 11:03:49 GMT -6
Even Moore stated he was tired of living on DR so long, he did not see his execution as punishment, he had peace & joy & was ready. It was actually a blessing to him.
In Nebraska the DP was restored by voters in 2016 by a 61 to 39 % margin. He did not want another appeal filed.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 23, 2018 11:09:53 GMT -6
do you think that if a convicted murderer can survive to a certain age then the sentence should be commuted? Yes, absolutely! Executions as far as I'm concerned are to be carried out for one specific purpose only and that is to prevent the condemned from killing again. Therefore, killing a 60 year old for a murder he committed when he was 22 years old hardly serves that purpose. Completely forgetting the victims & the families of. Two cab drivers working to support their families.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 24, 2018 12:03:32 GMT -6
So he wasn't dangerous enough to execute but apparently he was dangerous enough to keep in a cage all this time. Apparently that was a gamble that the State of Nebraska took for 38 years. Why don't we kick him free if he is so "non-dangerous?" Who said he wasn't dangerous? Nope, to me execution is punishment first and foremost. How does that work exactly; is it the infliction of pain, or the fear and apprehension of it that is the punishment? Deterrence is just the gravy. Sheer bunk! "Deterrence" is the absolute goal of an execution and it should be carried out for no other reason. After all, the protection of society is far more important than your emotional needs.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 24, 2018 12:09:19 GMT -6
Completely forgetting the victims & the families of. Two cab drivers working to support their families. On the contrary, I'm not forgetting anything! It was the State of Nebraska that forgot Carey Dean Moore. In fact, if I'd had my way he would have been worm-food no later than four years after he was sentenced.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 24, 2018 17:00:44 GMT -6
Therefore, killing a 60 year old for a murder he committed when he was 22 years old hardly serves that purpose. This is why I felt the victims & their family were left out by you. It still serves a purpose, for them. Agree it is torture to keep him on DR that long though. There are many reasons in this case it took so long. Forgetting Moore was not the reason.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 24, 2018 20:30:56 GMT -6
Whitediamonds, if you are going to quote me then please do it properly and don't make it look like I said something that I didn't.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 25, 2018 8:39:33 GMT -6
Why does it take decades? Sadism! They want to torture the inmates before they kill them. What other reason could they possibly have for killing a sixty year old for crimes he committed when he was was a 22 year old? Right here Oslooskar. What other "reason" could they have for killing him for a crime he committed . That part.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 26, 2018 11:12:43 GMT -6
Sadism! They want to torture the inmates before they kill them. What other reason could they possibly have for killing a sixty year old for crimes he committed when he was was a 22 year old? Right here Oslooskar. What other "reason" could they have for killing him for a crime he committed . That part. And your question is?
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Post by hawg on Aug 28, 2018 19:12:27 GMT -6
So he wasn't dangerous enough to execute but apparently he was dangerous enough to keep in a cage all this time. Apparently that was a gamble that the State of Nebraska took for 38 years. Why don't we kick him free if he is so "non-dangerous?" Who said he wasn't dangerous? Nope, to me execution is punishment first and foremost. How does that work exactly; is it the infliction of pain, or the fear and apprehension of it that is the punishment? Deterrence is just the gravy. Sheer bunk! "Deterrence" is the absolute goal of an execution and it should be carried out for no other reason. After all, the protection of society is far more important than your emotional needs. how does punishment work exactly? ask the "punished", might be different for everyone. is not every sentence some type of punishment? but if it is the sentence then carry it out. the sooner the better, but in the end just carry it out. as was accomplished here. yes, deterrence is the foremost goal of punishment, they're not mutually exclusive. but only for subject A. no punishment of subject A will deter subject B. never has, never will. that's why all the tickets written yesterday (punishment) didn't deter all the tickets written today. when I said deterrence was "gravy" I was referring to any chance that subject B "might" be deterred. my emotional needs? you're obviously running out of arguments.
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Post by oslooskar on Aug 29, 2018 16:48:40 GMT -6
how does punishment work exactly? ask the "punished" No, I'm asking you! Now, once again, how does that work exactly; is it the infliction of pain, or the fear and apprehension of it that is the punishment? (Note: I'm making reference to executions, not prison sentences.) you're obviously running out of arguments. You're obviously running from my arguments.
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Post by hawg on Sept 4, 2018 10:23:07 GMT -6
how does punishment work exactly? ask the "punished" No, I'm asking you! Now, once again, how does that work exactly; is it the infliction of pain, or the fear and apprehension of it that is the punishment? (Note: I'm making reference to executions, not prison sentences.) you're obviously running out of arguments. You're obviously running from my arguments. in this case punishment is kicking him off the planet, never more to participate and enjoy anything it has to offer. what he perceives or feels apprehensive that it might be painful (since we're not allowed to make it painful) is of no concern to anyone. and since he never cut his own ties to the sadistic state tells me he wasn't all that apprehensive about ever actually being executed and perceived prison life to be pretty good. maybe he should now appeal his execution on your silly "sadistic" grounds argument. 8th amendment maybe?
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 4, 2018 10:34:03 GMT -6
I may be wrong but, I think we were saying, it is sadistic to keep them on DR decades. In my opinion the DP should be carriedd out w/in 5 years of sentencing.
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Post by hawg on Sept 4, 2018 14:38:23 GMT -6
I may be wrong but, I think we were saying, it is sadistic to keep them on DR decades. In my opinion the DP should be carriedd out w/in 5 years of sentencing. i know what you are saying, should even be 2 years. but keeping them on death row for decades is NOT the states doing. it's "he" and/or his attorneys. well, I suppose in all fairness we could blame "state" judges for allowing it to go on. so what if through our pathetic appeals process you manage to make it past 5 or 10 or even 38 years, then what? congratulations, all is forgiven? why sentence anyone to anything? I simply cannot drum up a tear for any age a convicted murderer is finally executed. but that's just me.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 4, 2018 17:50:45 GMT -6
I may be wrong but, I think we were saying, it is sadistic to keep them on DR decades. In my opinion the DP should be carriedd out w/in 5 years of sentencing. Ooops messed up quoting hawg's reply i know what you are saying, should even be 2 years. but keeping them on death row for decades is NOT the states doing. it's "he" and/or his attorneys. well, I suppose in all fairness we could blame "state" judges for allowing it to go on. so what if through our pathetic appeals process you manage to make it past 5 or 10 or even 38 years, then what? congratulations, all is forgiven? why sentence anyone to anything? I simply cannot drum up a tear for any age a convicted murderer is finally executed. but that's just me. WD's reply to hawg. lol It is not the state, not sure how the state judges could do more. Even if it makes it to decades to carry out, I personally could care less what age they are in the present time. Who should care is the ones who allow the years to pass, think we all know who plays a big role in that. Shame on them, they are sadistic morons, who torture. Look at the cases where even the day of execution which should go forward at say, 6:00:pm, placing a knowingly bozo appeal to stop the execution. So, for hours they still give them false hope to add to their torture. Execution carried out near midnight instead.
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