|
Post by fuglyville on May 1, 2017 18:05:19 GMT -6
A clear sign that people should stop participating in executions or killing people in other circumstances, is when the fact that they're taking someones lives doesn't bother them. What's being done - for execution teams and armed law enforcement officers - to ensure that doesn't happen?
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 2, 2017 17:20:40 GMT -6
A clear sign that people should stop participating in executions or killing people in other circumstances, is when the fact that they're taking someones lives doesn't bother them. What's being done - for execution teams and armed law enforcement officers - to ensure that doesn't happen? What on earth are you talking about. I don't want "sensitive" people working in my prisons. I want them to do their jobs.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 2, 2017 17:38:22 GMT -6
I don't think if I was on the strap down team that I would shed tears over the juiced POS. But I would probably wonder how my life sank to this.
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 2, 2017 19:55:34 GMT -6
I don't think if I was on the strap down team that I would shed tears over the juiced POS. But I would probably wonder how my life sank to this. It would depend on the pay, wouldn't it?
|
|
|
Post by whitediamonds on May 2, 2017 21:54:43 GMT -6
when the fact that they're taking someones lives doesn't bother them. What's being done - fug, I believe you have become desensitized to real life violence. The ones you are protecting are the ones when the fact is they're taking innocent lives doesn't bother them, they could give two flying .......by doing so. . They are the ones who get a high off it.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 3, 2017 0:05:48 GMT -6
I don't think if I was on the strap down team that I would shed tears over the juiced POS. But I would probably wonder how my life sank to this. It would depend on the pay, wouldn't it? I suppose so. Pay and prestige. If it were a high paid prestigious job that people across society admire... But it's not.
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 3, 2017 13:54:30 GMT -6
Prestige matters to you? Very odd. You don' t seem like the type.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 3, 2017 15:52:47 GMT -6
Prestige matters to you? Very odd. You don' t seem like the type. I was just trying to diss the strap down team. Don't read too much into it.
|
|
|
Post by fuglyville on May 4, 2017 5:24:46 GMT -6
A clear sign that people should stop participating in executions or killing people in other circumstances, is when the fact that they're taking someones lives doesn't bother them. What's being done - for execution teams and armed law enforcement officers - to ensure that doesn't happen? What on earth are you talking about. I don't want "sensitive" people working in my prisons. I want them to do their jobs. I agree, and their job is to treat the inmates as human beings. There's a reason why nurses and social workers are good correctional officers - and why security guards are not.
|
|
|
Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2017 6:59:11 GMT -6
Fug speaks for all security guards .
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 4, 2017 16:01:11 GMT -6
their job is to treat the inmates as human beings. They're not human beings. They're state property.
|
|
|
Post by fuglyville on May 4, 2017 17:01:30 GMT -6
their job is to treat the inmates as human beings. They're not human beings. They're state property. Please tell me you don't work with people.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 4, 2017 23:49:34 GMT -6
their job is to treat the inmates as human beings. They're not human beings. They're state property. They can be bought and sold?
|
|
|
Post by whitediamonds on May 5, 2017 7:32:21 GMT -6
They're not human beings. They're state property. They can be bought and sold? That would be slavery.
|
|
|
Post by whitediamonds on May 5, 2017 7:42:58 GMT -6
What on earth are you talking about. I don't want "sensitive" people working in my prisons. I want them to do their jobs. I agree, and their job is to treat the inmates as human beings. There's a reason why nurses and social workers are good correctional officers - and why security guards are not. The role of the security guard is to not get personally( emotionally) involved. Guards are there to keep watch, assigned to protect or control access . Defensive posture. You cannot speak for all guards behavior towards inmates, many are doing their job well, having urine thrown at them,spit & attacked Protect those murse's you talk about too. Some inmates have been known too attack them too fug.
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 5, 2017 7:54:09 GMT -6
They can be bought and sold? They can be forced into hard labor, without pay. They have no say over what they eat, when they sleep, who may visit them, or even whether or not they can communicate with the outside world. They are each assigned a number, and only by his number is an inmate addressed.
|
|
|
Post by whitediamonds on May 5, 2017 7:58:59 GMT -6
They can be bought and sold? They can be forced into hard labor, without pay. They have no say over what they eat, when they sleep, who may visit them, or even whether or not they can communicate with the outside world. They are each assigned a number, and only by his number is an inmate addressed. It is not the holiday inn??
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 5, 2017 7:59:42 GMT -6
you don't work with people. I do indeed. All law-abiding, like me.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 5, 2017 12:30:45 GMT -6
They can be bought and sold? That would be slavery. Well spotted.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 5, 2017 12:31:55 GMT -6
They can be bought and sold? They can be forced into hard labor, without pay. They have no say over what they eat, when they sleep, who may visit them, or even whether or not they can communicate with the outside world. They are each assigned a number, and only by his number is an inmate addressed. Can they be exchanged as gifts?
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 5, 2017 20:21:41 GMT -6
Can they be exchanged as gifts? Ew. Who would want one. They are property of the state, and treated as such. They can even be kept alive against their will, something not tolerated among the law-abiding.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 6, 2017 5:25:10 GMT -6
Can they be exchanged as gifts? Ew. Who would want one. They are property of the state, and treated as such. They can even be kept alive against their will, something not tolerated among the law-abiding. Can you auction them off?
|
|
|
Post by fuglyville on May 6, 2017 15:08:34 GMT -6
They can be bought and sold? They can be forced into hard labor, without pay. They have no say over what they eat, when they sleep, who may visit them, or even whether or not they can communicate with the outside world. They are each assigned a number, and only by his number is an inmate addressed. Yeah, a good start would be to adress the inmates by name. As a prison guard, you should care about the inmates as human beings. The attitudes you're spouting is the reason why the U.S. has one of the largest recidivism rates in the world, and why the U.S. correctional system is *screwed* up. It's perfectly possible to fix this, but the first step is to realise that you have a problem. Right now, even that seems like too much to hope for.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 6, 2017 15:37:50 GMT -6
They can be forced into hard labor, without pay. They have no say over what they eat, when they sleep, who may visit them, or even whether or not they can communicate with the outside world. They are each assigned a number, and only by his number is an inmate addressed. Yeah, a good start would be to adress the inmates by name. What's the evidence that this would make a difference to the rate of recidivism?
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 6, 2017 19:51:04 GMT -6
a good start would be to adress the inmates by name. No, addressing them as numbers sends the correct message. They are not persons. They are inmates. As a prison guard, you should care about the inmates as human beings. If the inmates don't, why should correctional staff. They're inmates. Not people. The attitudes you're spouting is the reason why the U.S. has one of the largest recidivism rates in the world No, the responsibility for recidivism rests with the recidivists, not with the law-abiding. The only problem I see is that not enough of them are in prison, and that the inmates there are ever let out at all.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 7, 2017 11:50:29 GMT -6
The only problem I see is that not enough of them are in prison, and that the inmates there are ever let out at all. If they're the state's property, why does it have to let them go? I don't have to give up my property after a few years of ownership. I don't get it. Maybe the state only owns lifers and DR inmates, and the rest it has on a kind of leasing arrangement. What do you think?
|
|
|
Post by josephdphillips on May 7, 2017 14:23:32 GMT -6
If they're the state's property, why does it have to let them go? Technically, it doesn't have to. LWOP is perfectly constitutional, and for crimes short of murder. I will concede the semantic argument regarding those who, unfortunately, will be released. Personhood, however, and whatever "rights" attach to personhood, do not accrue to convicted felons upon release. Where I live, at least, their records can never be expunged and are therefore discoverable by prospective employers. They can't serve on juries or possess firearms, not even to defend themselves.
|
|
|
Post by whitediamonds on May 7, 2017 15:33:50 GMT -6
Well, since this is going no where.
Prison is a contract for whatever years one is assigned to.
Inside the prison walls think of it as a nanny state. The prison over see's the inmates by making decisions for them, relating to private & personal behavior. Due to lack of space & safety they are only allowed certain personal property. While provided with nursing, social workers, dental, activities, library, recreation rooms, Tv, & many other free benefits one needs while living there. No extreme luxury of course. While many n living in society do not have luxury either. Work hard to pay our bills & their tab.
The inmates inside the nanny state, did volunteer to be there, it was determined by the law of the land, how long they could be there. So, they are not property, & it would be impossible to not have to assign inmates numbers, due to high volume as well as too many people have the same name. To keep track of who is really who.
|
|
|
Post by bernard on May 7, 2017 18:19:48 GMT -6
I don't see the need to reduce "prisoner" to "human property" any more than I see the need to reduce "property" to "imprisoned object". There's no need for such metaphysics. Nor do I think that being in prison is like being in a contract. The notion of "prisoner" is perfectly clear. They broke the law, they serve the prescribed sentence. End of story.
|
|
|
Post by fuglyville on May 8, 2017 6:55:30 GMT -6
Well, since this is going no where. Prison is a contract for whatever years one is assigned to. Inside the prison walls think of it as a nanny state. The prison over see's the inmates by making decisions for them, relating to private & personal behavior. Due to lack of space & safety they are only allowed certain personal property. While provided with nursing, social workers, dental, activities, library, recreation rooms, Tv, & many other free benefits one needs while living there. No extreme luxury of course. While many n living in society do not have luxury either. Work hard to pay our bills & their tab. The inmates inside the nanny state, did volunteer to be there, it was determined by the law of the land, how long they could be there. So, they are not property, & it would be impossible to not have to assign inmates numbers, due to high volume as well as too many people have the same name. To keep track of who is really who. As long as you have enough officers pr. inmate, it's perfectly possible to use the names of inmates - rather than numbers. The clue is to assign each inmate one guard, who will look after and take care of that exact inmate. That way, you build relations between officers and inmates and avoid uprisings and violence. When inmates knows that there are people they can relate their distress to without having to resort to violence, that's a win-win situation for anyone. Also - when the guards get to know the inmates, you avoid abuse such as the one's Rikers are dealing with right now. And if the guards can't face dealing with inmates as people, chances are they shouldn't be guards in the first place.
|
|