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Post by fuglyville on Oct 16, 2016 17:23:59 GMT -6
The U.S. death penalty, along with this forum, seems to be steadily dwindling. How long do you think it will be, before it ends for good? Me, I'd hope for 5-6 years - but I'm guessing 10, because these things takes time.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 18, 2016 12:15:04 GMT -6
There is certainly very little support for it, currently, but then the muslims have just gotten started here. The death penalty may see a renaissance.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2016 14:16:13 GMT -6
Thomas Jefferson had it right. You have a God given right to life.
Black lives matter, all lives matter is a joke all over the world. No life matters anymore. And we are debating having a DP? The DP is alive & well.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 18, 2016 15:00:59 GMT -6
Thomas Jefferson had it right. You have a God given right to life. He didn't mean everyone, obviously. He was referring to landed, white males. Black lives matter, all lives matter is a joke all over the world. No life matters anymore. And we are debating having a DP? The DP is alive & well. There were 28 executions in the United States in 2015, against 15,696 murders. That's an execution for every 561 murders. A child might wonder why one describes the American death penalty as either "alive" or "well." Eleven years on this board has taught me one thing about capital punishment: Americans at BEST are deeply squeamish and embarrassed about it. Fuglyville is only annoying because her attitude is so popular among the so-called "pros."
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2016 15:12:45 GMT -6
Thomas Jefferson had it right. You have a God given right to life. He didn't mean everyone, obviously. He was referring to landed, white males. Black lives matter, all lives matter is a joke all over the world. No life matters anymore. And we are debating having a DP? The DP is alive & well. There were 28 executions in the United States in 2015, against 15,696 murders. That's an execution for every 561 murders. A child might wonder why one describes the American death penalty as either "alive" or "well." Eleven years on this board has taught me one thing about capital punishment: Americans at BEST are deeply squeamish and embarrassed about it. Fuglyville is only annoying because her attitude is so popular among the so-called "pros." A child, well does the child know how many abortions go on in a day? Is that not a DP that is alive & well. The murder of so many citizens? Is that not a DP that is alive & well? That child who may be wondering is lucky, someone who began her life, chose to allow her life to go on.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2016 15:24:39 GMT -6
Thomas Jefferson had it right. You have a God given right to life. He didn't mean everyone, obviously. He was referring to landed, white males. He did like all political leaders do, even today. The words do not match their walk. Does not mean his statement itself was wrong. Did it have anything to do with color/race or was it just plain greed & power over? Never bring an arrow to a gun battle.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 18, 2016 15:56:15 GMT -6
A child, well does the child know how many abortions go on in a day? Is that not a DP that is alive & well. The murder of so many citizens? Is that not a DP that is alive & well? No, it's not. You are not addressing the question.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2016 16:45:28 GMT -6
A child, well does the child know how many abortions go on in a day? Is that not a DP that is alive & well. The murder of so many citizens? Is that not a DP that is alive & well? No, it's not. You are not addressing the question. I must have missed something, I do not see where you asked me a direct question. Only statements.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2016 17:18:35 GMT -6
Stats show in 2016, 59 % feel the DP is acceptable, 34 % find it morally wrong, in the US. The DP will never end.
Most forums are a fossil now days, like many other forums that have nothing to even do with the DP fug.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 18, 2016 18:21:33 GMT -6
Stats show in 2016, 59 % feel the DP is acceptable, 34 % find it morally wrong Actions speak louder than words. How Americans "feel" doesn't, and never will, matter. The fact is they refuse to demand or even support efforts to speed up the execution process. Nor do they even impose the death penalty more often than not, when given the rare opportunity to do so.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 18, 2016 18:23:43 GMT -6
I do not see where you asked me a direct question. Only statements. The question is: How long before the last execution?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2016 19:02:48 GMT -6
I do not see where you asked me a direct question. Only statements. The question is: How long before the last execution? There never will be a last execution.
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Post by oslooskar on Oct 20, 2016 23:50:07 GMT -6
The question is: How long before the last execution? There never will be a last execution. Of course there will! The death penalty's days are numbered.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 22, 2016 10:34:53 GMT -6
There never will be a last execution. Of course there will! The death penalty's days are numbered. You too did not answer the question. If you believe the DP will totally end, how long before that will happen in your opinion. lol I still say, it never will totally end.
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Post by bernard on Oct 24, 2016 13:34:28 GMT -6
The last execution will be like the last post on this board. Nobody will know it was the last until years after it happened.
With respect to both, I suspect the denouement is coming soon. I only hang out here to see it close, like watching for the dawn at the end of the world.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 26, 2016 3:37:31 GMT -6
Thomas Jefferson had it right. You have a God given right to life. He didn't mean everyone, obviously. He was referring to landed, white males. Black lives matter, all lives matter is a joke all over the world. No life matters anymore. And we are debating having a DP? The DP is alive & well. There were 28 executions in the United States in 2015, against 15,696 murders. That's an execution for every 561 murders. A child might wonder why one describes the American death penalty as either "alive" or "well." Eleven years on this board has taught me one thing about capital punishment: Americans at BEST are deeply squeamish and embarrassed about it. Fuglyville is only annoying because her attitude is so popular among the so-called "pros." Obviously, more squeamishness and embarrassment is needed - but the development is looking good, by all means.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 26, 2016 3:48:36 GMT -6
Of course there will! The death penalty's days are numbered. You too did not answer the question. If you believe the DP will totally end, how long before that will happen in your opinion. lol I still say, it never will totally end. I still say that it will
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 26, 2016 8:41:50 GMT -6
He didn't mean everyone, obviously. He was referring to landed, white males. There were 28 executions in the United States in 2015, against 15,696 murders. That's an execution for every 561 murders. A child might wonder why one describes the American death penalty as either "alive" or "well." Eleven years on this board has taught me one thing about capital punishment: Americans at BEST are deeply squeamish and embarrassed about it. Fuglyville is only annoying because her attitude is so popular among the so-called "pros." but the development is looking good, by all means. Development is looking good? For who?
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 30, 2016 13:24:11 GMT -6
but the development is looking good, by all means. Development is looking good? For who? For those who realise that the death brings nothing but more death and sorrow, and that it's a prime exampe of wasteful spending - which, given the current fiscal situation, is a travesty in itself. The fact that it hasn't been abolished yet, speaks volumes about how seemingly intelligent people sometimes do really destructive and pointless things.
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Post by starbux on Oct 31, 2016 15:08:06 GMT -6
I think it will come back in full circle. Its nice and fluffy to not have it when crime is low. But now with more heinous crimes many states are reexploring bringing it back. And we will bring it back.
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 1, 2016 14:45:15 GMT -6
I think it will come back in full circle. Its nice and fluffy to not have it when crime is low. But now with more heinous crimes many states are reexploring bringing it back. And we will bring it back. Well - I'd suggest spending cash on avoiding crimes in the first place rather than unnecessary legal murders, but that's just me
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 1, 2016 18:23:07 GMT -6
I think it will come back in full circle. Its nice and fluffy to not have it when crime is low. But now with more heinous crimes many states are reexploring bringing it back. And we will bring it back. Well - I'd suggest spending cash on avoiding crimes in the first place rather than unnecessary legal murders, but that's just me Like Chicago?
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 2, 2016 9:15:01 GMT -6
Well - I'd suggest spending cash on avoiding crimes in the first place rather than unnecessary legal murders, but that's just me Like Chicago? Yes, Chicago has a severe crime problem - but do we know the cause? Usually, problems can be solved by solving their causes - and I sincerely doubt that the lack of death penalty is a major reason for the murder rate.
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 2, 2016 10:09:52 GMT -6
I personally will never go with either extremist view, Joe wants all" no matter what degree to be executed. The anti side is" no matter what degree convicted of murder, there should be no DP.
Both sides want absolutes. No one wants to except a middle ground.
Crazy world it has become.
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 2, 2016 10:32:06 GMT -6
Yes, Chicago has a severe crime problem - but do we know the cause? Usually, problems can be solved by solving their causes - and I sincerely doubt that the lack of death penalty is a major reason for the murder rate. Chicago's not having a DP has not slowed down the crime problem either. Nor the corruption nor has it made the financial picture any better. Yeah, instead of wasting" money for a DP the politicians are filling their pockets. Most who served in office now serve in prison themselves. Special interest group extremist filling their pockets while the murders daily & many of them are gang related. Gangs not just murdering each other but, along with many innocents too, they do not care. The police are caught between politics and a target themselves. In shy town, the windy city is run by Dem's & liberals just like Detriot. Strict laws for the legal citizens going on at the same time. Well, I guess in the gang area's of chicago, the new DP is on the streets instead now. Those are the real cause's Oh to add, people now days are more offended by words, or which bathroom to use to pee instead.
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 2, 2016 17:42:34 GMT -6
I personally will never go with either extremist view, Joe wants all" no matter what degree to be executed. The anti side is" no matter what degree convicted of murder, there should be no DP. Both sides want absolutes. No one wants to except a middle ground. Crazy world it has become. There is a middle ground - it's called LWOP. The death penalty is an either/or thing - you either kill people, or you don't. The problem with instating the death penalty just for the "worst of the worst", is that it leads to a slippery slope - when you execute some people, it's easier to accept executing more people. Therefore, the wise thing to do would be to keep it repealed. For deliberate treason leading to the loss of several thousand lives, the death penalty may be considered appropriate in certain cases - but in other cases, it does way more harm than good.
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 2, 2016 17:45:16 GMT -6
Yes, Chicago has a severe crime problem - but do we know the cause? Usually, problems can be solved by solving their causes - and I sincerely doubt that the lack of death penalty is a major reason for the murder rate. Chicago's not having a DP has not slowed down the crime problem either. Nor the corruption nor has it made the financial picture any better. Yeah, instead of wasting" money for a DP the politicians are filling their pockets. Most who served in office now serve in prison themselves. Special interest group extremist filling their pockets while the murders daily & many of them are gang related. Gangs not just murdering each other but, along with many innocents too, they do not care. The police are caught between politics and a target themselves. In shy town, the windy city is run by Dem's & liberals just like Detriot. Strict laws for the legal citizens going on at the same time. Well, I guess in the gang area's of chicago, the new DP is on the streets instead now. Those are the real cause's Oh to add, people now days are more offended by words, or which bathroom to use to pee instead. True - and solving those causes would be a better start than the reinstatement of the death penalty.
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 3, 2016 19:49:21 GMT -6
I personally will never go with either extremist view, Joe wants all" no matter what degree to be executed. The anti side is" no matter what degree convicted of murder, there should be no DP. Both sides want absolutes. No one wants to except a middle ground. Crazy world it has become. There is a middle ground - For deliberate treason leading to the loss of several thousand lives, the death penalty may be considered appropriate in certain cases - but in other cases, it does way more harm than good. So, for deliberate treason leading to the loss of "several thousands" lives, the DP, " may be" considered appropriate? That is what you call a middle ground?
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 3, 2016 19:53:44 GMT -6
Chicago's not having a DP has not slowed down the crime problem either. Nor the corruption nor has it made the financial picture any better. Yeah, instead of wasting" money for a DP the politicians are filling their pockets. Most who served in office now serve in prison themselves. Special interest group extremist filling their pockets while the murders daily & many of them are gang related. Gangs not just murdering each other but, along with many innocents too, they do not care. The police are caught between politics and a target themselves. In shy town, the windy city is run by Dem's & liberals just like Detriot. Strict laws for the legal citizens going on at the same time. Well, I guess in the gang area's of chicago, the new DP is on the streets instead now. Those are the real cause's Oh to add, people now days are more offended by words, or which bathroom to use to pee instead. True - and solving those causes would be a better start than the reinstatement of the death penalty. Fug you personally need to go to the gang area's in Chicago, & solve those causes.
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 4, 2016 7:07:29 GMT -6
True - and solving those causes would be a better start than the reinstatement of the death penalty. Fug you personally need to go to the gang area's in Chicago, & solve those causes. Sure, sure. You'll join me, right? Let me know when you have time.
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