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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 13, 2015 10:42:47 GMT -6
Nothing should or can be one size fits all, that's fantasy or stupidity, or even just revenge. All punishment is revenge. There's nothing wrong with it. If you park illegally, should you be punished different because of circumstances? Do you think your excuses get you very far in muni court? They don't in California. Why should murder be treated any differently?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 13, 2015 10:52:30 GMT -6
Nothing should or can be one size fits all, that's fantasy or stupidity, or even just revenge. All punishment is revenge. There's nothing wrong with it. If you park illegally, should you be punished different because of circumstances? Do you think your excuses get you very far in muni court? They don't in California. Why should murder be treated any differently? Punishment is you cannot be trusted in society, is that really revenge to you? There may be a valid excuse, I parked illegally because I went into labor. Glad I was not in California then...
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 13, 2015 14:12:45 GMT -6
Punishment is you cannot be trusted in society, is that really revenge to you? I do not understand this question. You need to work on your grammar, WD. Revenge, retribution, vengeance, punishment == they're all synonymous with payback. There may be a valid excuse, I parked illegally because I went into labor. Glad I was not in California then... :P You would still have to pay the fine here, or get your car out of impound, at your expense, and you might be also criminally liable for whatever happens if first responders are not able to use the parking space you illegally occupied to save someone's life.
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Post by bernard on Feb 13, 2015 16:04:21 GMT -6
Tell me what your definition of "worst of the worst" is. If a murderer kills a woman with a swift blow to the head, but then goes on to rape her corpse, is that the worst of the worst, in your book? I already told you what the worse of the worse is agains't society. Keepimg a mass murderer is a danger inside or outside the prison. I will never believe a mass murderer can be rehabilitated, even Dahmer knew that himself & stated so. This scenario you gave me, should get Real LWOP, if he murder's yet again inside, thru breakout etc, should be elevated to the DP. He blew his second chance. It seems you do not believe in the death penalty for murder. Only for multiple murder.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 13, 2015 19:08:00 GMT -6
Punishment is you cannot be trusted in society, is that really revenge to you? I do not understand this question. You need to work on your grammar, WD. Revenge, retribution, vengeance, punishment == they're all synonymous with payback. There may be a valid excuse, I parked illegally because I went into labor. Glad I was not in California then... You would still have to pay the fine here, or get your car out of impound, at your expense, and you might be also criminally liable for whatever happens if first responders are not able to use the parking space you illegally occupied to save someone's life. Do you really find it revenge or a payback when we sentence people? Or does punishment mean we cannot trust them in society. No ticket, my car was not impounded & I was not held liable for parking in a handicapped spot, maybe I was considered temporarily handicape? My sister could not drive a stick shift so she could not move my car. Things like that happening were handled more senseible there..
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 13, 2015 19:19:16 GMT -6
I already told you what the worse of the worse is agains't society. Keepimg a mass murderer is a danger inside or outside the prison. I will never believe a mass murderer can be rehabilitated, even Dahmer knew that himself & stated so. This scenario you gave me, should get Real LWOP, if he murder's yet again inside, thru breakout etc, should be elevated to the DP. He blew his second chance. It seems you do not believe in the death penalty for murder. Only for multiple murder. Multi murders, murder of a child, murder of an officer, murder of a President. DP should be automatic no option of LWOP. Other murderers, depending on many factors, full served 20 yrs to LWOP or DP . Peds, life w/o parole, unless a murder charge added then the DP. I like the three degree's myself. they have three tiers to reach the MAX. DP
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 13, 2015 19:40:01 GMT -6
Do you really find it revenge or a payback when we sentence people? Or does punishment mean we cannot trust them in society. That's the penology in California. It's got nothing to do with "trust" or "society," else most Californians would be in prison.
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 13, 2015 19:53:31 GMT -6
Multi murders, murder of a child, murder of an officer, murder of a President. DP should be automatic no option of LWOP. Other murderers, depending on many factors, full served 20 yrs to LWOP or DP . Peds, life w/o parole, unless a murder charge added then the DP. I like the three degree's myself. they have three tiers to reach the MAX. DP This is beyond lame. This couldn't qualify for the special olympics. What about murders of nurses? Murders of veterans? Murders of Jews? Do you have something against Jews, since you want their murderers punished more leniently? Are you some kind of twisted anti-Semite? And why should pedophiles be in prison at all, if they're law-abiding? Just because you don't like them? Jesus, if my loved one was murdered, WD, I wouldn't want you anywhere near me. Utterly contemptible.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 13, 2015 19:56:41 GMT -6
Do you really find it revenge or a payback when we sentence people? Or does punishment mean we cannot trust them in society. That's the penology in California. It's got nothing to do with "trust" or "society," else most Californians would be in prison. I have a banker in California who told me over there, most people walking around are on drugs. The conversation started with hurricanes vs earthquakes & led to that comment. I never had a thing for California or NY.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 13, 2015 20:03:44 GMT -6
Multi murders, murder of a child, murder of an officer, murder of a President. DP should be automatic no option of LWOP. Other murderers, depending on many factors, full served 20 yrs to LWOP or DP . Peds, life w/o parole, unless a murder charge added then the DP. I like the three degree's myself. they have three tiers to reach the MAX. DP This is beyond lame. This couldn't qualify for the special olympics. What about murders of nurses? Murders of veterans? Murders of Jews? Do you have something against Jews, since you want their murderers punished more leniently? Are you some kind of twisted anti-Semite? And why should pedophiles be in prison at all, if they're law-abiding? Just because you don't like them? Jesus, if my loved one was murdered, WD, I wouldn't want you anywhere near me. Utterly contemptible. If my child was murdered or raped, heaven help them. DP. People are people what does a nurse, jew, black,white or other have to do with the DP? Your state left those bastards live who slaughtered Sharon Tate and all the others only got fricking LWOP? That never would have cut it in TX.
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Post by bernard on Feb 14, 2015 16:16:59 GMT -6
It seems you do not believe in the death penalty for murder. Only for multiple murder. Multi murders, murder of a child, murder of an officer, murder of a President. DP should be automatic no option of LWOP. What about murder of a judge?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 14, 2015 16:45:17 GMT -6
Multi murders, murder of a child, murder of an officer, murder of a President. DP should be automatic no option of LWOP. What about murder of a judge? Well, Bernard looks like we are forced into an ultimatum then. If my child was murdered & Joe's wife was murder we would want the DP. So, it comes down to either Joe's view all murderers/murder's get the DP. Or no killings qualify for the DP. Then when they all get LWOP that will not really be equal either. Now we both know ( reality) no law will ever agree to all murders/murderers will face DP. Will that make it equal for all. Oops what about the dead victims who were murdered? As far as the multi murderers, that includes women, men, children, any race, religion, any place. So how does that make me anti sematic in Joe's view. Mass killers certainly should get the DP if no one else..
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Post by bernard on Feb 15, 2015 0:37:57 GMT -6
What about murder of a judge? Well, Bernard looks like we are forced into an ultimatum then. If my child was murdered & Joe's wife was murder we would want the DP. So, it comes down to either Joe's view all murderers/murder's get the DP. Or no killings qualify for the DP. Then when they all get LWOP that will not really be equal either. Now we both know ( reality) no law will ever agree to all murders/murderers will face DP. Will that make it equal for all. Oops what about the dead victims who were murdered? As far as the multi murderers, that includes women, men, children, any race, religion, any place. So how does that make me anti sematic in Joe's view. Mass killers certainly should get the DP if no one else.. What about the murder of a judge?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 15, 2015 5:34:20 GMT -6
What about murder of a judge? Well, Bernard looks like we are forced into an ultimatum then. If my child was murdered & Joe's wife was murder we would want the DP. So, it comes down to either Joe's view all murderers/murder's get the DP. Or no killings qualify for the DP. Then when they all get LWOP that will not really be equal either. Now we both know ( reality) no law will ever agree to all murders/murderers will face DP. Will that make it equal for all. Oops what about the dead victims who were murdered? As far as the multi murderers, that includes women, men, children, any race, religion, any place. So how does that make me anti sematic in Joe's view. Mass killers certainly should get the DP if no one else..
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Post by bernard on Feb 15, 2015 14:46:43 GMT -6
Well, Bernard looks like we are forced into an ultimatum then. If my child was murdered & Joe's wife was murder we would want the DP. So, it comes down to either Joe's view all murderers/murder's get the DP. Or no killings qualify for the DP. Then when they all get LWOP that will not really be equal either. Now we both know ( reality) no law will ever agree to all murders/murderers will face DP. Will that make it equal for all. Oops what about the dead victims who were murdered? As far as the multi murderers, that includes women, men, children, any race, religion, any place. So how does that make me anti sematic in Joe's view. Mass killers certainly should get the DP if no one else.. Do you think that someone who murders a judge should get the DP automatically, just as if they had murdered a police officer?
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Post by parmenion on Apr 14, 2015 6:14:57 GMT -6
I've had nitrogen narcosis during a dive in a deep gravel pit and I had to be rescued by my dive buddies. I can remember not understanding why they were so worked up and worried, I felt great. As you would after a small splif and a couple of shots of rum. Although remembering it now still gives me a fright.
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Post by bernard on Apr 14, 2015 12:08:14 GMT -6
I've had nitrogen narcosis during a dive in a deep gravel pit and I had to be rescued by my dive buddies. I can remember not understanding why they were so worked up and worried, I felt great. As you would after a small splif and a couple of shots of rum. Although remembering it now still gives me a fright. It is only humane, then, that we pressurize the gas chamber and send the creep giggling into the eternal night. Justice at last.
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Post by Californian on Apr 14, 2015 12:56:38 GMT -6
I've had nitrogen narcosis during a dive in a deep gravel pit and I had to be rescued by my dive buddies. I can remember not understanding why they were so worked up and worried, I felt great. As you would after a small splif and a couple of shots of rum. Although remembering it now still gives me a fright. Nitrogen narcosis and asphyxiation by nitrogen gas (or any other gas that excludes oxygen) are not the same thing.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 14, 2015 14:39:14 GMT -6
I've had nitrogen narcosis during a dive in a deep gravel pit and I had to be rescued by my dive buddies. I can remember not understanding why they were so worked up and worried, I felt great. As you would after a small splif and a couple of shots of rum. Although remembering it now still gives me a fright. It is only humane, then, that we pressurize the gas chamber and send the creep giggling into the eternal night. Justice at last. Laughing gas would make them tell the truth finally, go out admitting guilty as charged.
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Post by bernard on Apr 14, 2015 15:56:40 GMT -6
It is only humane, then, that we pressurize the gas chamber and send the creep giggling into the eternal night. Justice at last. Laughing gas would make them tell the truth finally, go out admitting guilty as charged. It seems you think there is always some doubt.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 14, 2015 16:11:19 GMT -6
Laughing gas would make them tell the truth finally, go out admitting guilty as charged. It seems you think there is always some doubt. Nope. There is no such thing "ALWAYS" some doubt..
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Post by bernard on Apr 14, 2015 16:12:12 GMT -6
It seems you think there is always some doubt. Nope. There is no such thing "ALWAYS" some doubt.. I agree with you. There is always some doubt when you perform these homicides.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 14, 2015 16:14:37 GMT -6
Nope. There is no such thing "ALWAYS" some doubt.. I agree with you. There is always some doubt when you perform these homicides. Who the heck are you agreeing with? Have an imaginary friend who uses my name?
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Post by bernard on Apr 14, 2015 16:23:20 GMT -6
I agree with you. There is always some doubt when you perform these homicides. Who the heck are you agreeing with? Have an imaginary friend who uses my name? I'm agreeing that it would be great if the gas made the real murderers admit everything. That way we would recognize the innocent ones when they silently choked to death.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 14, 2015 17:00:18 GMT -6
Who the heck are you agreeing with? Have an imaginary friend who uses my name? I'm agreeing that it would be great if the gas made the real murderers admit everything. That way we would recognize the innocent ones when they silently choked to death. Got ya, yes it would be a great advantage for all. Sad part is innocent life would still be lost "too" often by POS.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 14, 2015 17:21:53 GMT -6
Who the heck are you agreeing with? Have an imaginary friend who uses my name? I'm agreeing that it would be great if the gas made the real murderers admit everything. That way we would recognize the innocent ones when they silently choked to death. Well, if that did work what excuse would you as an anti use to save them from the DP next?
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Post by bernard on Apr 15, 2015 0:23:13 GMT -6
I'm agreeing that it would be great if the gas made the real murderers admit everything. That way we would recognize the innocent ones when they silently choked to death. Well, if that did work what excuse would you as an anti use to save them from the DP next? Probably some leaked footage of a guy maintaining his innocence as he chokes to death on your truth gas. Course then you'll say it's not truth gas after all. #invincibleignorance
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sanquentin
Freshman
Pro dp, but only for murder and for rape(either seperately or together), and never mandatory.
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Post by sanquentin on Apr 17, 2015 21:09:46 GMT -6
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 20, 2015 9:17:37 GMT -6
With nitrogen execution would the body parts still be viable for those who are on the list for transplants?
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Post by Californian on Apr 20, 2015 21:31:52 GMT -6
With nitrogen execution would the body parts still be viable for those who are on the list for transplants? No.
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