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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 6, 2015 20:25:40 GMT -6
You just answered your own question on how much later. Lol. Well at least we can safely conclude that you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims. Good talking. Who's we? You cannot safely conclude anything. Or are you referring to your other personality? I have to wonder about someone who would spend all that time to quote past comments of members to begin with.
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Post by bernard on Jan 6, 2015 20:40:06 GMT -6
Lol. Well at least we can safely conclude that you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims. Good talking. Who's we? You cannot safely conclude anything. Or are you referring to your other personality? I'm referring to we, the forum here at pro death penalty.com. I don't want to speak on Nils' behalf, but I think he was merely backing up his accusations with evidence. What do you find strange about that?
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Post by Kay on Jan 7, 2015 0:48:23 GMT -6
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 1:00:07 GMT -6
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 1:01:18 GMT -6
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I've read two pages of this. I don't know which poster is supposed to have been offensive, but I assume it is Skyloom. Skyloom's posts on the first two pages seem in no way offensive to me. I can understand people strongly disagreeing with her and thinking Skyloom's opinion is naive. But that doesn't make it offensive. Other people on those two pages agree with me, though I note that one of them was also banned (and I have to wonder how that happened). In fact, even Consequences---until recently a moderator here---writes:
"And a reminder to MVSs. This is a pro-death-penalty site. While we generally side with MVSs here, this is not really an MVS support site. Therefore, when dialogue turns to topics which you find uncomfortable, please consider skipping them, because you will find that sometimes the moderators might not agree with you on what constitutes a personal attack or inappropriate language posted by another party." - Consequences
What DOES happen---clearly---is that Skyloom is immediately bombarded with insults. "bytch", "pathetic and stupid...what a loser", "the Loon", "old bat", "selfish *jerk*", "And the stupid questions keep coming", "I was once told there is no such thing as a stupid question, it is apparent that [Skyloom] also heard this and [is] constantly trying to prove it wrong", "miserable miserable excuse for a human being", she's "kinda like some of the sick sons of beaches that take a truly sadistic pleasure in torturing and raping and murdering". The last one… just, wow.
And that's just page one.
I don't know if Skyloom ends up saying something offensive later on. You'll have to tell me whether I should continue reading. But if she does, this underscores a terrible failure by the mods. Obviously she is being provoked to a severe extent and the situation should have been handled before it escalated. Two of the first three rules of this forum are "Civil discussions only" and "Do not personally attack other posters" yet there isn't a semblance of those rules being followed or enforced on that thread. Pros and establishment antis are permitted to hurl severe personal insults with impunity. As a mod, Kay, you should be ashamed. Ashamed (a) that the mods did not show the strength of personal character to enforce the rules of the forum against the angry mob, and (b) that YOU NOW USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF ANTIs BEHAVING BADLY on the forum. That's absolutely risible.
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Post by Kay on Jan 7, 2015 1:53:21 GMT -6
There are three MVS replies in the first page, all are offended, and one is an anti, as you well know. Risible, not much.
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 2:11:22 GMT -6
There are three MVS replies in the first page, all are offended, The point that Skyloom made is that there is no closure to be had for MVSs in killing a murderer, and that monitoring the murderer's case for decades in the hopes he will not escape death row, in fact, prolongs the agony for MVSs. Maybe she's wrong. Maybe---probably---the MVSs themselves know better. Still, that doesn't make her comment abusive. However, the following IS abusive: "bytch", "pathetic and stupid...what a loser", "the Loon", "old bat", "selfish *jerk*", "And the stupid questions keep coming", "I was once told there is no such thing as a stupid question, it is apparent that [Skyloom] also heard this and [is] constantly trying to prove it wrong", "miserable miserable excuse for a human being", she's "kinda like some of the sick sons of beaches that take a truly sadistic pleasure in torturing and raping and murdering". Just a pile of abuse, from different people, safe in the mob, with the mods for protection. If you want to defend that, Kay, please do so explicitly. Please admit that, on this forum, it is okay to call someone a pathetic stupid bytch who is just like someone who takes pleasure in raping torturing and murdering. Defend this abusive behavior out loud, instead of just defending it passively by letting it continue. I said as much. Look again. My words were "Pros AND ESTABLISHMENT ANTIS are permitted to hurl severe personal insults with impunity." Lynne is an establishment anti. Like you. We can agree on that. "Appalling" is a better word, as is your attempt to praise blatant bullying.
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Post by nils on Jan 7, 2015 3:18:44 GMT -6
Hi "However, the following IS abusive: "bytch", "pathetic and stupid...what a loser", "the Loon", "old bat", "selfish "" I can only agree. It is abusive. Lools like this poster is banned - why? Nils.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 9:53:46 GMT -6
Hi "However, the following IS abusive: "bytch", "pathetic and stupid...what a loser", "the Loon", "old bat", "selfish "" I can only agree. It is abusive. Lools like this poster is banned - why? Nils. Go back to 2006 or the past on any tpye of site this went on all over the net. Like minded groups stick together. Mods are always in a no win situation. Some antis preach to MVS's to get over it move on, over a mindlessly murder of a loved one. This cut the crap thread placed here needs to take their own advice, in my humble opinion move on.
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 10:11:35 GMT -6
Mods are always in a no win situation. So are cops, but they still have a job to do. The same with mods. If they're unwilling or unable to uphold the forum rules against pros and antis evenly, they should resign.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 10:30:48 GMT -6
Mods are always in a no win situation. So are cops, but they still have a job to do. The same with mods. If they're unwilling or unable to uphold the forum rules against pros and antis evenly, they should resign. I quoted Nils on his comments, answered your remarks on my opinion there also. Because saying anything with you just goes on forever & your too obnoxious for me. I may not agree with all Nils says or does, yet I find him to be a man who has my respect.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 10:38:09 GMT -6
Mods are always in a no win situation. So are cops, but they still have a job to do. The same with mods. If they're unwilling or unable to uphold the forum rules against pros and antis evenly, they should resign. Mods are not cops. Your great at telling people to resign & leave. Maybe you should be a mod & start your own forum? Keep pounding your chest Bernard & declaring victory...
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 11:13:58 GMT -6
So are cops, but they still have a job to do. The same with mods. If they're unwilling or unable to uphold the forum rules against pros and antis evenly, they should resign. I quoted Nils on his comments, answered your remarks on my opinion there also. Because saying anything with you just goes on forever I'm sorry for dragging this thread out to two pages. Yes. I once suggested that ignoring my post was rude. I have given you a terrible time haven't I?
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 11:19:20 GMT -6
So are cops, but they still have a job to do. The same with mods. If they're unwilling or unable to uphold the forum rules against pros and antis evenly, they should resign. Mods are not cops. They're analogous functions. Both are expected to keep the peace in their respective domains. I don't tell people to leave. I suggest that leaving is a logical response to not wanting to be somewhere. If you don't want to make conversation about the death penalty, don't come to a death penalty forum. If you don't want the difficult "no-win" job of moderating the forum with an even hand, don't be a moderator. These aren't commands. They're common sense life tips. I can't declare victory until someone faces me. Still waiting to have anything like a decent conversation about the death penalty.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 11:35:34 GMT -6
They're analogous functions. Both are expected to keep the peace in their respective domains. I don't tell people to leave. I suggest that leaving is a logical response to not wanting to be somewhere. If you don't want to make conversation about the death penalty, don't come to a death penalty forum. If you don't want the difficult "no-win" job of moderating the forum with an even hand, don't be a moderator. These aren't commands. They're common sense life tips. I can't declare victory until someone faces me. Still waiting to have anything like a decent conversation about the death penalty. Sorry, I will be rude no time for your tit for tat. Hours of by you. Obama is going to speak on the terrorist murderers " you defend "on the terrorist attack in Paris
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 12:34:04 GMT -6
So are cops, but they still have a job to do. The same with mods. If they're unwilling or unable to uphold the forum rules against pros and antis evenly, they should resign. Mods are not cops. Your great at telling people to resign & leave. Maybe you should be a mod & start your own forum? Keep pounding your chest Bernard & declaring victory... One simple question Bernard. Have you ever been a mod?
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 15:59:37 GMT -6
Mods are not cops. Your great at telling people to resign & leave. Maybe you should be a mod & start your own forum? Keep pounding your chest Bernard & declaring victory... One simple question Bernard. Have you ever been a mod? Someone asked me that several years ago. The answer is in the archives.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 16:10:55 GMT -6
One simple question Bernard. Have you ever been a mod? Someone asked me that several years ago. The answer is in the archives. Your confused, I did not make a claim , I asked only have you ever been a mod simple as that.
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 16:14:58 GMT -6
Someone asked me that several years ago. The answer is in the archives. Your confused, I did not make a claim , I asked only have you ever been a mod simple as that. And I answered. Several years ago. I don't see why I should keep responding to the same question over and over just because you demand answers. Do you own the forum? No.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 16:26:21 GMT -6
Your confused, I did not make a claim , I asked only have you ever been a mod simple as that. And I answered. Several years ago. I don't see why I should keep responding to the same question over and over just because you demand answers. Do you own the forum? No. I am not demading answers though or calling you rude. That was also not a question I asked over & over. One time then since you appeared confused one more time. Until you walk in the shoes of being a mod or even an MVS, you have no right to judge. I was a mod.
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 16:35:41 GMT -6
Until you walk in the shoes of being a mod or even an MVS, you have no right to judge. What about scumpals? Can I judge those even though I've never been one?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 16:51:47 GMT -6
Until you walk in the shoes of being a mod or even an MVS, you have no right to judge. What about scumpals? Can I judge those even though I've never been one? Sure you can brush with wide paint brush pen pals, but I ass-sure you not all are alike, like pros/ antis/ libs/ conserv... There are extreme radicals in any group.
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 18:12:09 GMT -6
What about scumpals? Can I judge those even though I've never been one? Sure you can brush with wide paint brush pen pals, but I ass-sure you not all are alike, like pros/ antis/ libs/ conserv... There are extreme radicals in any group. Is that a yes?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 18:21:36 GMT -6
Sure you can brush with wide paint brush pen pals, but I ass-sure you not all are alike, like pros/ antis/ libs/ conserv... There are extreme radicals in any group. Is that a yes? Sure it is called freedom of speech............
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Post by bernard on Jan 7, 2015 19:00:47 GMT -6
Sure it is called freedom of speech.........… Funny how it comes and goes depending on whose being criticized.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 7, 2015 19:32:08 GMT -6
Sure it is called freedom of speech.........… Funny how it comes and goes depending on whose being criticized. Depending to others rights. Also doesn't mean it is wise, fair, or productive.
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