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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 20:40:52 GMT -6
I have a right to my thoughts, so back to topic now. I wonder if being a low dose 50mg administered "many times" is what took 2 hrs verses the right amount at 500mg one hit? Would have had a fast result of only minutes? Maybe. Either way we're agreeing that these comedians down at the pen don't have the slightest idea what they're doing.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 21:04:31 GMT -6
Where did I argue/state the creep had it coming?. It's your general attitude. Don't forget I've been reading your posts for a long time, ever since your English became decipherable. Just recently, for example, you quoted someone saying that prisoners/antis don't know what excruciating means. Excruciating is having to live with the pain of having a loved one killed by a murderer, they said. I could tell that you felt the same way, and I have a lot of time and respect for that argument. But I'm just saying it sounds like "Who gives a *crap* if the creep has to suffer? Look what he did to others!" We're not quarreling Smart Bear because we like each other too much. I'm just encouraging you as a friend to get in touch with your true pro feelings. Come on, admit it to me. You WANT the jackass to suffer because THAT'S WHAT HE DESERVES. Right? Come on, give me something here. Please re-read that post, or give me the number of the post,or bring it back to the top.. I do not believe it stated anything about prisoners or anti's. I do remember I posted her words exactly after the execution. I agreed with her 100%. I cannot speak for what she mean't it was not my Dad murdered left in a pool of blood for me to see. So, I cannot speak for her meaning " he was a jackass & desevered to suffer. He still had it better two hrs is nothing compared to a lifetime. Although who should judge her feelings? I " do" find that a natural response/meaning if in her shoes. . I believe she has earned that right to her emotions (sadly). A very normal response. I can't give you something that is not there in my heart & mind, what you want to hear". Because it is not there . Thank the creator I have never been in her shoes or any MVS's shoes. No sorry, I do not want anyone to suffer or tortured. Ending life as merciful as humane as possible I can agree with, under certain circumstances.. Yes. I wish it had gone down in 15 mins the whole procedure like the majority of executions still are. Because I do not agree with all anyone one say's, (professional or not) pro or anti. Odd how even scientist, medical, no matter what area, you will never get all l100 % to agree or be right. That professional your going by actually played it safe & upfront "do not know for sure" at least he is honest. SB
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 21:07:56 GMT -6
I have a right to my thoughts, so back to topic now. I wonder if being a low dose 50mg administered "many times" is what took 2 hrs verses the right amount at 500mg one hit? Would have had a fast result of only minutes? Maybe. Either way we're agreeing that these comedians down at the pen don't have the slightest idea what they're doing. I agree. I never "argued/debated/questioned/ that point. Would not go there with a ten foot pole, that would be utter nonsense.
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Post by Donnie on Jan 2, 2015 21:13:46 GMT -6
The bottom line for this entire subject is that anti-DP activists want murderers to suffer during the administration of justice. There is no reason, other than anti-DP fervor, that a pleasant execution could not be accomplished. There are increasing numbers of people who kill themselves with some degree physician assistance. The arguments against this practice do not involve pain or suffering encountered during self-execution. Also there are hundreds of thousands of killings of assuredly innocent human beings by abortion. There is no reason why murderers could not be killed using the same methods used for abortion. Surely our concern would not be less for the suffering of hundreds of thousands of innocents than it would be for a few thousand murderers each year.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 21:14:32 GMT -6
It was David Waisel, the associate professor of anaesthesia in Boston quoted in Nils's article, who said that "it was impossible to “know for sure” whether an inmate on the gurney is in pain or not". I wasn't saying that. I was just clarifying what HE said. Right now I don't know which of you to believe. It would help me if you told me your qualifications in anesthesiology, so that I can compare them with Waisel's. We do know he was on an "overdose" to the extreme. Fact Ms Brown who attended the execution stated" You "don't know" what excruciating is' Excruciating is seeing your Dad lying in a pool of blood. Cold hard facts without the aid of drugs for her to live with for a lifetime. It is impossible" to know ".. Is this the post you were talking about Bernard?
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Post by Donnie on Jan 2, 2015 21:17:53 GMT -6
No pretending is involved. There is no evidence that he was not sedated or that he suffered even the slightest pain. Point of clarification: We should focus not on pain, but on suffering. Inducing nausea, restricting breath, starving a prisoner, emotional abuse, sexual humiliation etc could all count towards a punishment being cruel whether or not they caused sensations of pain. With that in mind, the fact that Wood was observed to be gasping and gulping more than 600 times is evidence he was in distress. It's not a slam dunk proof, of course, but people don't normally gasp and gulp when properly anesthetized. The problem is that you think that since a drug causes sedation in normal doses, it does the same in high doses. It doesn't. If it's improperly applied it will cause the body to go into panic mode as vitals drop to dangerous levels, adrenaline will be released, and the patient will start to wake. Looks like Joseph Wood taught this lesson 15 times to the buttbrains in AZ correction, but they still didn't get it. On the other hand maybe they didn't "get it" because that wasn't a lesson that was being taught.
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 21:43:59 GMT -6
It's your general attitude. Don't forget I've been reading your posts for a long time, ever since your English became decipherable. Just recently, for example, you quoted someone saying that prisoners/antis don't know what excruciating means. Excruciating is having to live with the pain of having a loved one killed by a murderer, they said. I could tell that you felt the same way, and I have a lot of time and respect for that argument. But I'm just saying it sounds like "Who gives a *crap* if the creep has to suffer? Look what he did to others!" We're not quarreling Smart Bear because we like each other too much. I'm just encouraging you as a friend to get in touch with your true pro feelings. Come on, admit it to me. You WANT the jackass to suffer because THAT'S WHAT HE DESERVES. Right? Come on, give me something here. Please re-read that post, or give me the number of the post,or bring it back to the top.. It's on page 1 of this thread. Do the posts still have numbers? Can't find them. Anyway, you said "Ms Brown who attended the execution stated" You "don't know" what excruciating is' Excruciating is seeing your Dad lying in a pool of blood. Cold hard facts without the aid of drugs for her to live with for a lifetime. It is impossible" to know ".."
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 21:44:39 GMT -6
We do know he was on an "overdose" to the extreme. Fact Ms Brown who attended the execution stated" You "don't know" what excruciating is' Excruciating is seeing your Dad lying in a pool of blood. Cold hard facts without the aid of drugs for her to live with for a lifetime. It is impossible" to know ".. Is this the post you were talking about Bernard? Yeah.
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 21:47:27 GMT -6
No sorry, I do not want anyone to suffer or tortured. Ending life as merciful as humane as possible I can agree with, under certain circumstances.. Yes. I wish it had gone down in 15 mins the whole procedure like the majority of executions still are. I admit you surprise me that you have so much sympathy for murderers.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 21:49:50 GMT -6
Is this the post you were talking about Bernard? Yeah. I do not see a number to the post anymore either, did not notice until now..
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 21:51:32 GMT -6
The bottom line for this entire subject is that anti-DP activists want murderers to suffer during the administration of justice. There is no reason, other than anti-DP fervor, that a pleasant execution could not be accomplished. There are increasing numbers of people who kill themselves with some degree physician assistance. The arguments against this practice do not involve pain or suffering encountered during self-execution. Also there are hundreds of thousands of killings of assuredly innocent human beings by abortion. There is no reason why murderers could not be killed using the same methods used for abortion. Surely our concern would not be less for the suffering of hundreds of thousands of innocents than it would be for a few thousand murderers each year. Trained doctors don't help with executions because they take an oath to do no harm, not because of anti-DP activists (if that's what you are getting at).
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 22:05:21 GMT -6
No sorry, I do not want anyone to suffer or tortured. Ending life as merciful as humane as possible I can agree with, under certain circumstances.. Yes. I wish it had gone down in 15 mins the whole procedure like the majority of executions still are. I admit you surprise me that you have so much sympathy for murderers. I think sympathy is the wrong word though? Horrific errors ( thru stupidity) or " purposely intended torture", is never acceptable I want nothing to suffer four legs or two. Ending life as mericiful as possible as I stated" I can agree with under certain circumstances is the right thing to do.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 22:08:49 GMT -6
The bottom line for this entire subject is that anti-DP activists want murderers to suffer during the administration of justice. There is no reason, other than anti-DP fervor, that a pleasant execution could not be accomplished. There are increasing numbers of people who kill themselves with some degree physician assistance. The arguments against this practice do not involve pain or suffering encountered during self-execution. Also there are hundreds of thousands of killings of assuredly innocent human beings by abortion. There is no reason why murderers could not be killed using the same methods used for abortion. Surely our concern would not be less for the suffering of hundreds of thousands of innocents than it would be for a few thousand murderers each year. Trained doctors don't help with executions because they take an oath to do no harm, not because of anti-DP activists (if that's what you are getting at). Doctors do abortions " on demand" . For no other reason in majority of the thousands abortions per day. Not to save a life. They break the Oath.
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 22:31:55 GMT -6
I admit you surprise me that you have so much sympathy for murderers. I think sympathy is the wrong word though? Horrific errors ( thru stupidity) or " purposely intended torture", is never acceptable I want nothing to suffer four legs or two. Ending life as mericiful as possible as I stated" I can agree with under certain circumstances is the right thing to do. The death penalty, however, causes a huge amount of psychological anguish. Not just for the inmate, but for the inmate's family. I'm not saying he doesn't have it coming, but if you're against all suffering why aren't you also against that?
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 22:32:38 GMT -6
Trained doctors don't help with executions because they take an oath to do no harm, not because of anti-DP activists (if that's what you are getting at). Doctors do abortions " on demand" . For no other reason in majority of the thousands abortions per day. Not to save a life. They break the Oath. If the fetus is a person, then yes. But a lot of people think that it hasn't become a person yet.
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Post by nils on Jan 2, 2015 22:53:07 GMT -6
Trained doctors don't help with executions because they take an oath to do no harm, not because of anti-DP activists (if that's what you are getting at). Doctors do abortions " on demand" . For no other reason in majority of the thousands abortions per day. Not to save a life. They break the Oath. Hello Whitediamonds. As has been demonstrated endless number of times on this board there is a good amount of delight expressd when the condemned suffers during the execution process. I have collected a couple of hundred quotes over the years, and they have been posted on this board at least twice. Such quotes reveal much what is the topic here. Namely wrath, anger, revenge and outright lust for blood. I am not surprised. Most of us have felt that way. WHY DENY THIS OBVIOUS FACT? And - what has abortion got to do with the DP? You bring it up in each end every thread - why not join an abortion discussion board? Best wishes for 2015 Nils :-)
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 23:02:01 GMT -6
Doctors do abortions " on demand" . For no other reason in majority of the thousands abortions per day. Not to save a life. They break the Oath. Hello Whitediamonds. As has been demonstrated endless number of times on this board there is a good amount of delight expressd when the condemned suffers during the execution process. I have collected a couple of hundred quotes over the years, and they have been posted on this board at least twice. Could you link? I'm a bit of a quote collector.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 2, 2015 23:33:12 GMT -6
I think sympathy is the wrong word though? Horrific errors ( thru stupidity) or " purposely intended torture", is never acceptable I want nothing to suffer four legs or two. Ending life as mericiful as possible as I stated" I can agree with under certain circumstances is the right thing to do. The death penalty, however, causes a huge amount of psychological anguish. Not just for the inmate, but for the inmate's family. I'm not saying he doesn't have it coming, but if you're against all suffering why aren't you also against that? Yes, it does cause suffering for the inmates family ( not in all cases though) nor did the "actual" murdered person or family members of victims bring that onto to them. Their own family member. did that to them only. In some cases they murdered their own family too. No, their psychological anguish cannot be misplaced onto the state or anywhere else. All the psychological suffering was created by "one only". In some cases the family member is the ( wife), who did not know them until after they were on DR, married him knowing he would be executed. Some of their families are very dysfunctional with criminal records. Created their own monster's. Some actually had no family.. So, should we have no DP at all due to a "murderers family may" suffer huge amounts of psychological anguish? Is that what this is suppose to mean?
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Post by nils on Jan 2, 2015 23:35:12 GMT -6
Hello Whitediamonds. As has been demonstrated endless number of times on this board there is a good amount of delight expressd when the condemned suffers during the execution process. I have collected a couple of hundred quotes over the years, and they have been posted on this board at least twice. Could you link? I'm a bit of a quote collector. if you are interested in quotes on this topic i do have Quite a few of them. Here is a list: - cut the crap - selected quotes from a death penalty discussion. I have de-identifiedthe quotes, since many of them are so outrageous, - IT IS DOWN TO A FINE ART- quotes from a talk with The exection team at Huntsville, Texas. - On the Death of John Michael Lamb - quotes from an interview 2 weeks before his execution in 1999. - We dont Always get what we want - also quotes from an interview shortly before execution of a condemned. - "No More Pain" selected quotes, last words from executed. In progress. - Final Meal - last meals at Huntsville, Texas. I can send this in an email. What will you use it for? Best. Nils.
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 23:54:07 GMT -6
Could you link? I'm a bit of a quote collector. What will you use it for? Mischief.
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Post by bernard on Jan 2, 2015 23:56:53 GMT -6
So, should we have no DP at all due to a "murderers family may" suffer huge amounts of psychological anguish? Is that what this is suppose to mean? You tell me. You were the one who said that you don't like unnecessary suffering, whether it's a murderer or not. So it sounds like you ought to be in favor of ending the dp, if you're consistent. That would take away the additional suffering not only of the POS himself but also, in many cases, of the family and scumpals who love him.
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Post by nils on Jan 3, 2015 0:08:13 GMT -6
What will you use it for? Mischief. Thats fine. I can send you an email. Best. Nils.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 3, 2015 0:29:27 GMT -6
Doctors do abortions " on demand" . For no other reason in majority of the thousands abortions per day. Not to save a life. They break the Oath. Hello Whitediamonds. As has been demonstrated endless number of times on this board there is a good amount of delight expressd when the condemned suffers during the execution process. I have collected a couple of hundred quotes over the years, and they have been posted on this board at least twice. Such quotes reveal much what is the topic here. Namely wrath, anger, revenge and outright lust for blood. I am not surprised. Most of us have felt that way. WHY DENY THIS OBVIOUS FACT? And - what has abortion got to do with the DP? You bring it up in each end every thread - why not join an abortion discussion board? Best wishes for 2015 Nils :-) I did not deny or not notice the delight expressed (by some) when a condemmed suffered during some executions. Do not paint all pro's in a category of delighted,even on this board.. I am not denying I feel anger at babies being raped/murdered, horrendous murders, burning them alive, buried alive,chop off body parts. I have extreme anger towards these sick POS. Yet, if I found it normal to torture them in the same manner as they murdered & the length of time the victim went thru, before died only then would I say I am really one of them. Abortion & the death penalty go hand in hand though some want to deny it. Abortion is a wicked method of killing an innocent " human" at any stage of life inside the womb is human not born anything other. Life is cheap. Face that fact Jt iAn "IT" & nothing more. Come on the medical field knows better than that. They have to kill "IT" Now if you want the pregnancy, it is a human baby suddenly? Telling mothers how to be sure their baby is safe from cig smoke, drinking etc or shame on you for killing/harming the baby? Anti's say, by having a DP we are teaching murder is ok not setting an example. BS abortion is sending the message it is ok to murder. Depending, on circumstances. Anti's do hate when connecting murder with abortion. Kinda blows a lot of their self rightousness bs.
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Post by bernard on Jan 3, 2015 0:37:34 GMT -6
Anti's do hate when connecting murder with abortion. Kinda blows a lot of their self rightousness bs. You've got a problem here. If abortion and DP are the same thing and… Abortion is very very BAD then… The DP is ALSO very very ___________ (1 point)
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 3, 2015 0:54:14 GMT -6
So, should we have no DP at all due to a "murderers family may" suffer huge amounts of psychological anguish? Is that what this is suppose to mean? You tell me. You were the one who said that you don't like unnecessary suffering, whether it's a murderer or not. So it sounds like you ought to be in favor of ending the dp, if you're consistent. That would take away the additional suffering not only of the POS himself but also, in many cases, of the family and scumpals who love him. No do not spin what I feel, I do not like seeing suffering. No one is making the POS suffer only he did that to himself, no one had intentions for any suffering as too what went wrong on that or even know if he did suffer. No I am not concerned with penpals who get involved with an DR inmates. I do not like to see a actual family member suffer who love's their family member no matter what or who or how their family member murder another or others, that is in the laws hands. I do find it hard to understand why the family would feel the psychological anguish they feel" makes their loved one any different from the laws which the murderer made the choice to bring onto them. Should they have special outcomes for their loved one, based on their love for them? Is that what your saying? I certainly am not.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 3, 2015 0:58:29 GMT -6
Anti's do hate when connecting murder with abortion. Kinda blows a lot of their self rightousness bs. You've got a problem here. If abortion and DP are the same thing and… Abortion is very very BAD then… The DP is ALSO very very ___________ (1 point) No twisted again, it is BS to kill the innocent, like murderer's do. No, it does not blow self rightousness at all. Murderer's use heinous ways of torturing & kliling too, just like abortion does, rips them apart. Minus the point you gave yourself
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Post by bernard on Jan 3, 2015 2:28:08 GMT -6
You tell me. You were the one who said that you don't like unnecessary suffering, whether it's a murderer or not. So it sounds like you ought to be in favor of ending the dp, if you're consistent. That would take away the additional suffering not only of the POS himself but also, in many cases, of the family and scumpals who love him. No do not spin what I feel, I do not like seeing suffering. No one is making the POS suffer only he did that to himself, Just saying. When I suggested that he suffer for his crimes, you said you didn't want that. Why not? Let's hang, draw and quarter the POS. He brought it on himself, after all.
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Post by bernard on Jan 3, 2015 2:29:43 GMT -6
You've got a problem here. If abortion and DP are the same thing and… Abortion is very very BAD then… The DP is ALSO very very ___________ (1 point) No twisted again, it is BS to kill the innocent, like murderer's do. No, it does not blow self rightousness at all. Murderer's use heinous ways of torturing & kliling too, just like abortion does, rips them apart. Minus the point you gave yourself "Abortion & the death penalty go hand in hand though some want to deny it. " Seems that means that if you're in favor of one, you should be in favor of the other. No?
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Post by nils on Jan 3, 2015 7:22:34 GMT -6
Hello Whitediamonds. As has been demonstrated endless number of times on this board there is a good amount of delight expressd when the condemned suffers during the execution process. I have collected a couple of hundred quotes over the years, and they have been posted on this board at least twice. Such quotes reveal much what is the topic here. Namely wrath, anger, revenge and outright lust for blood. I am not surprised. Most of us have felt that way. WHY DENY THIS OBVIOUS FACT? And - what has abortion got to do with the DP? You bring it up in each end every thread - why not join an abortion discussion board? Best wishes for 2015 Nils :-) I did not deny or not notice the delight expressed (by some) when a condemmed suffered during some executions. Do not paint all pro's in a category of delighted,even on this board.. I am not denying I feel anger at babies being raped/murdered, horrendous murders, burning them alive, buried alive,chop off body parts. I have extreme anger towards these sick POS. Yet, if I found it normal to torture them in the same manner as they murdered & the length of time the victim went thru, before died only then would I say I am really one of them. Abortion & the death penalty go hand in hand though some want to deny it. Abortion is a wicked method of killing an innocent " human" at any stage of life inside the womb is human not born anything other. Life is cheap. Face that fact Jt iAn "IT" & nothing more. Come on the medical field knows better than that. They have to kill "IT" Now if you want the pregnancy, it is a human baby suddenly? Telling mothers how to be sure their baby is safe from cig smoke, drinking etc or shame on you for killing/harming the baby? Anti's say, by having a DP we are teaching murder is ok not setting an example. BS abortion is sending the message it is ok to murder. Depending, on circumstances. Anti's do hate when connecting murder with abortion. Kinda blows a lot of their self rightousness bs. Hi Whitediamonds. If you never noticed any delight over executions expresed on this board please check my thread "CUT THE CRAP" The quotes are from posts 1998-2001 and such posts went on and on for the years that followed. However as the apetite for Death as a peanlty has faded, such posts are further between. But from time to time they do occur. yours truly Euroliberal Nils
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 3, 2015 12:51:52 GMT -6
yours truly Euroliberal Nils [/quote] Really? Well I'll be dang" I never would have guessed that. Nils, A Euroliberal ? Dang !!! Ain't tat a mine blowa !!
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