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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 18, 2014 21:10:08 GMT -6
No it's not anti dp. I am not putting my own bias into a fictional story. I just told you that the death penalty should be reserved for the worst of the worst, but you don't listen. It's funny how someone is a scumpal simply because they don't say "Yes, fry them! Watch them suffer and die!! Mwuahahaha!" Sorry, that's kind of messed up to even have that attitude in the first place. Stop being so bloodthirsty otherwise you're not much different than those you put in the chair. Brittney, Karen, short story writer whoever you are ... they do not put people in a electric chair anymore for one. Bloodthirsty ? Something is wrong if someone does not feel outrage with so many murders going on, so many heinous ways killers kill.....now if we really used the eye for an eye, who steals would have their hands cut off, who raped would be raped or *deleted* cut off. The ultimate" one can do is take a life with any method, whoever they want, as many as they want done by hate,revenge, fun, etc Now that is bloodthirsty for sure. If your going to throw that word toward anyone you have things upside down throw it at muderers. Maybe you should look at crimes scene's & then tell me who is bloodthirsty in reality !!! Empathy belongs to the too long list of victims, & society as a whole. The worse the murder the more they are valued their names remembered just like Karla Faye Tucker told many she would be famous ... makes me ill to the bone....
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Post by brittney on Jul 18, 2014 22:12:35 GMT -6
Karen? Where the hell did you get Karen from? haha. Yeah? Tell that to Kentucky. Yes, I do realize that...kind of a joke.
Sure someone can feel outrage, yet still not feel bloodthirsty. Something is wrong when you are so driven by hate that you want to kill someone just like the murderer did. Especially if you claim to be a Christian. People who love to see others suffer, regardless of the crime, are bloodthirsty. The Romans used to toss criminals in the Colosseum and watch lions tear them apart. They watched that for entertainment. Executions used to be public. Still to this day people watch executions. Enjoying something like that, or wanting someone to suffer is bloodthirsty. Or maybe sadistic is the right word?
Where you get your ideas is beyond me. No one said that you should support what they did. This is just like the pro-choice abortion debate. No one who is pro-choice likes abortion. No one claps and says "Yay! Abortion!! Congrats!" Just like no one who is anti-dp, or willing to use it only in extreme cases applauds what the murderer or criminal did or feels less empathy for the family than someone who wants to see that person killed. It's just they, like I, don't believe anyone, and I mean ANYONE, has the right to tell someone else when their life is over. Especially in a law setting. If someone is trying to kill you in your home, yeah you need to defend yourself, but no one has the authority or the right to tell someone else when they live and when they die except for God, if you believe in that kind of stuff.
Murderers are bloodthirsty, yet murder is murder. If you want to see a murderer murdered, that's not any less bloodthirsty? You're getting pleasure or you're feeling better because someone's life is ending. lol
I honestly only knew her name because you people mentioned it here. Before I came here, I forgot her name. Yeah, I recall the face, but is she famous to me? No. You guys also make them famous by your constant desire to see them executed. You cannot stop talking about them. You're part of the problem in that case. Just like those idiots that shoot up the schools, they are talked about for months on the news shows. Well yeah everyone knows who they are NOW. Thanks for that.
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Post by Californian on Jul 18, 2014 22:16:44 GMT -6
You realize that it's going to end badly for you here, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 23:25:46 GMT -6
Karen? Where the hell did you get Karen from? haha. Yeah? Tell that to Kentucky. Yes, I do realize that...kind of a joke. Sure someone can feel outrage, yet still not feel bloodthirsty. Something is wrong when you are so driven by hate that you want to kill someone just like the murderer did. Especially if you claim to be a Christian. People who love to see others suffer, regardless of the crime, are bloodthirsty. The Romans used to toss criminals in the Colosseum and watch lions tear them apart. They watched that for entertainment. Executions used to be public. Still to this day people watch executions. Enjoying something like that, or wanting someone to suffer is bloodthirsty. Or maybe sadistic is the right word? Where you get your ideas is beyond me. No one said that you should support what they did. This is just like the pro-choice abortion debate. No one who is pro-choice likes abortion. No one claps and says "Yay! Abortion!! Congrats!" Just like no one who is anti-dp, or willing to use it only in extreme cases applauds what the murderer or criminal did or feels less empathy for the family than someone who wants to see that person killed. It's just they, like I, don't believe anyone, and I mean ANYONE, has the right to tell someone else when their life is over. Especially in a law setting. If someone is trying to kill you in your home, yeah you need to defend yourself, but no one has the authority or the right to tell someone else when they live and when they die except for God, if you believe in that kind of stuff. Murderers are bloodthirsty, yet murder is murder. If you want to see a murderer murdered, that's not any less bloodthirsty? You're getting pleasure or you're feeling better because someone's life is ending. lol I honestly only knew her name because you people mentioned it here. Before I came here, I forgot her name. Yeah, I recall the face, but is she famous to me? No. You guys also make them famous by your constant desire to see them executed. You cannot stop talking about them. You're part of the problem in that case. Just like those idiots that shoot up the schools, they are talked about for months on the news shows. Well yeah everyone knows who they are NOW. Thanks for that. STFU, you holier than twit. Mwuahahaha.
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Post by john - uk on Jul 19, 2014 6:01:50 GMT -6
What does everyone think about the gender of someone being executed? Does a beautiful young woman sentenced to death get more pity and sympathy from anyone here or are they all the same? I'd like to hear thoughts. Like to hear what everyone thinks. There is only one question that should matter in these cases, are they guilty? Race, gender, sexuality, age shouldn't come into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 7:03:31 GMT -6
Sure someone can feel outrage, yet still not feel bloodthirsty. Something is wrong when you are so driven by hate that you want to kill someone just like the murderer did. Wrong. The only reason why most of the people would want someone dead is that if they have been identified as a murderer. Murderers have generally killed as a result of their own selfish emotions. mmmm....you seriously want to play the religion card here? No one will argue with you that the Romans were sadistic. Those here who talk about seeing people suffer are only talking about convicted murderers. In contrast the Romans wanted anyone who they didn't like I have met people who think abortion should be obliged on women in some circumstances for example if she is very poor or the child she is carrying will be severly disabled. . Rubbish. There are many anti-dp proponents who will always believe the killer over the prosecution or key witnesses. Anti-Dp proponents often slander witnesses in capital crimes as liars and prosecutors as corrupt simply in the hope of winning sympathy for a murderer whose appeals are coming to an end. They often express hatred towards victims Genesis 9:6 God prescribes the death penalty for murdering a man. If you read the text of the bible clearly the only exception to the death penalty for homicide is when you have caused the death accidently. If you want to discuss this from a secular point of view, then you can say that the morality (ie should a human be executed) is decided by the consenus of those people who live in the region. Therefore individual countries have the right to determine if it is right or wrong to kill someone. Stop equating the arbitrary act of a murderer killing someone to meet his own needs to the lawful execution of a murderer after a fair trial and appeals process.
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Post by brittney on Jul 19, 2014 9:28:20 GMT -6
Sure someone can feel outrage, yet still not feel bloodthirsty. Something is wrong when you are so driven by hate that you want to kill someone just like the murderer did. Wrong. The only reason why most of the people would want someone dead is that if they have been identified as a murderer. Murderers have generally killed as a result of their own selfish emotions. mmmm....you seriously want to play the religion card here? No one will argue with you that the Romans were sadistic. Those here who talk about seeing people suffer are only talking about convicted murderers. In contrast the Romans wanted anyone who they didn't like I have met people who think abortion should be obliged on women in some circumstances for example if she is very poor or the child she is carrying will be severly disabled. . Rubbish. There are many anti-dp proponents who will always believe the killer over the prosecution or key witnesses. Anti-Dp proponents often slander witnesses in capital crimes as liars and prosecutors as corrupt simply in the hope of winning sympathy for a murderer whose appeals are coming to an end. They often express hatred towards victims Genesis 9:6 God prescribes the death penalty for murdering a man. If you read the text of the bible clearly the only exception to the death penalty for homicide is when you have caused the death accidently. If you want to discuss this from a secular point of view, then you can say that the morality (ie should a human be executed) is decided by the consenus of those people who live in the region. Therefore individual countries have the right to determine if it is right or wrong to kill someone. Stop equating the arbitrary act of a murderer killing someone to meet his own needs to the lawful execution of a murderer after a fair trial and appeals process. Do I want to play the religion card? Yes I do because it exposes the hypocrisy of the Christian religion. Most people who support the dp are right wing Christians. Jesus would be sitting front row eating popcorn saying "Yeah, let's send this byatch to hell." Yeah, I could totally see him doing that. It's not like he died on the cross for everyone or anything, not like he hung out with prostitutes and degenerates, not like he spoke out against violence in any form and always said to love your enemies. I'm not even religious, but the fact I actually take note of the teachings of Jesus over most Christians is hilarious. After all, Jesus is the most important person in the Bible to Christians right? I mean the New Testament is supposed to be the book to look at. Yet they always, like you just did, point to the violent God from the Old Testament. Yeah, well in the Old Testament you're also supposed to stone your wife if she is cheating on you. How many of you do that? God had the Israelites wipe out entire cities to the last child. Yeah, so you want to be Jewish I guess? So let me get this straight, the Christian religion, which claims to be based on the teachings of Jesus Christ (the most compassionate man in history), actually refers to the Old Testament to the vengeful, jealous God more than the teachings of Christ. Interesting... As far as the Romans go, you couldn't be more wrong. I don't know where you get the idea they killed everyone, but they were very tolerant. They killed criminals in the Colosseum. Murderers, rapists, etc, and they threw them to wild animals and people watched for fun. This is before the persecution of the Christians by Nero. I see something similar today where people find pleasure in seeing criminals executed. The method is different but the mindset and outcome is the same. Yes, you will see people that think abortion is necessary, but you don't see people getting excited about it. You don't hear people throwing abortion parties. Just like you won't see me, someone who is not really behind the dp, throwing a party for Jodi Arias. Why would I? She committed a crime and needs to be criticized and punished for it. That doesn't mean I think she should be killed. Stop pretending that killing is different than murder simply because the intent...the act is the same. You end one's life. There's no dancing around the definition. It's the same outcome...someone is dead and their life ceases to exist. The law is man made, meaning it has no right to end the life of another man.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 19, 2014 11:30:28 GMT -6
Yes, you will see people that think abortion is necessary, but you don't see people getting excited about it. You don't hear people throwing abortion parties. Stop pretending that killing is different than murder simply because the intent...the act is the same. You end one's life. There's no dancing around the definition. It's the same outcome...someone is dead and their life ceases to exist. The law is man made, meaning it has no right to end the life of another man. /quote] Does one have the right to take a life? Answer is" It depends. No, I do not see anyone throwing a party after an abortion, euthanasia, or even after/or during an execution. Life ceases to exist in all mentioned, including illegal murders. All of the above & more are taking a life, no one I know is pretending. Of course all laws are man made.
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Post by brittney on Jul 19, 2014 15:45:34 GMT -6
Yes, all laws are man made. Yet the law that gives people death is man made as well which means man is determining which among them should live and die, a godly thing to do, right? Just thinking here.
Does one have the right to take a life? No. No one here is allowed to decide who lives and who dies. There is no depends. You may have to kill someone in a situation, like if your life is in danger, but that doesn't really count. You're not in cold blood deciding if someone should live or die. You're not rounding people up for the gas chamber. There's a difference there.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 19, 2014 17:17:33 GMT -6
Yes, all laws are man made. Yet the law that gives people death is man made as well which means man is determining which among them should live and die, a godly thing to do, right? Just thinking here. Does one have the right to take a life? No. No one here is allowed to decide who lives and who dies. There is no depends. You may have to kill someone in a situation, like if your life is in danger, but that doesn't really count. You're not in cold blood deciding if someone should live or die. You're not rounding people up for the gas chamber. There's a difference there. Why do you keep bringing God into this? Of course we have the right to take a life in all area's of life & we do. I already mentioned that we do. So, I have to agree to disagree with you. There are depends on all we do. A has a right to life he is home & B breaks in, the fight is on, A lost his right to life due to B. Now you say B has the right to life brcause he won & is still alive? Now B does this again & again takes away innocent" life in a " criminal" act again. So, with your reasoning B again has his natural right to life. All the A's are dead. The right to life is a myth. So, yes man makes laws, criminals break those laws. He the murderer took his right to life away knowing the consquences. We are not rounding anyone up for the DP. Walk on Brit, you will never get me to agree with you.. Where as You see society as murderers & bloodthirsty. I see it reversed.
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Post by brittney on Jul 19, 2014 19:59:00 GMT -6
That's okay, we don't have to agree. That's the great thing about this country.
I guess I just have a hard time wanting people to die, even if they did something bad. I don't cry at night for Osama bin Laden, or Adolf Hitler, and I wouldn't cry over Charles Manson if he was killed, but I'm not for the death penalty any time someone kills another person.
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Post by Californian on Jul 20, 2014 10:35:02 GMT -6
That's okay, we don't have to agree. That's the great thing about this country. I guess I just have a hard time wanting people to die, even if they did something bad. I don't cry at night for Osama bin Laden, or Adolf Hitler, and I wouldn't cry over Charles Manson if he was killed, but I'm not for the death penalty any time someone kills another person. Go away. You have stealth scumpal written all over your posts.
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Post by brittney on Jul 20, 2014 12:21:04 GMT -6
So you are all saying that even a gorgeous woman, if convicted found guilty of murder, should be sent to hell?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 2:25:20 GMT -6
So you are all saying that even a gorgeous woman, if convicted found guilty of murder, should be sent to hell? Especially them
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 21, 2014 10:44:39 GMT -6
even a gorgeous woman, if convicted found guilty of murder, should be sent to hell? What is wrong with you? Even if a "gorgeous" women? Are you the gorgeous women in your story? I'm starting to wonder about you going on & on for day's about sex, beauty, & murder.... Maybe someone should check you out,you may be a potential or have murdered already...strange story....or is this your way to confess? Or find pity, sympathy, mercy?
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Post by brittney on Jul 21, 2014 15:11:55 GMT -6
even a gorgeous woman, if convicted found guilty of murder, should be sent to hell? What is wrong with you? Even if a "gorgeous" women? Are you the gorgeous women in your story? I'm starting to wonder about you going on & on for day's about sex, beauty, & murder.... Maybe someone should check you out,you may be a potential or have murdered already...strange story....or is this your way to confess? Or find pity, sympathy, mercy? God you're weird, lol. What the hell are you talking about?
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Post by brittney on Jul 21, 2014 15:12:13 GMT -6
So you are all saying that even a gorgeous woman, if convicted found guilty of murder, should be sent to hell? Especially them Why?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 21, 2014 15:30:00 GMT -6
What is wrong with you? Even if a "gorgeous" women? Are you the gorgeous women in your story? I'm starting to wonder about you going on & on for day's about sex, beauty, & murder.... Maybe someone should check you out,you may be a potential or have murdered already...strange story....or is this your way to confess? Or find pity, sympathy, mercy? God you're weird, lol. What the hell are you talking about? Me? you come blasting in here calling us the murderer profile & bloodthirsty we are, over some weird story of a lady killing an ole man with her butt.... makes one think that story is about you... Your whole entry is weird .................This story is not for you it is you.
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Post by Californian on Jul 21, 2014 17:17:52 GMT -6
Uh-huh. Why do I suspect your real name is "Brett" and you have a death row sweetie?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 21, 2014 17:38:29 GMT -6
How weird. I know even more about our nice "short story writer" ..hiding behind a front here.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 22, 2014 9:22:43 GMT -6
I like role playing, etc. . I am sure you do.
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Post by ltdc on Jul 22, 2014 15:29:06 GMT -6
Not ready to just murder everyone who ever killed someone by accident or purpose. you better get your definitions straight or your paper will be done before it starts. execution is not murder and nobody gets executed for accidently killing someone. you will receive neither support or help here if you do not or cannot understand those extremely basic concepts.
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Post by brittney on Jul 25, 2014 10:29:12 GMT -6
God you're weird, lol. What the hell are you talking about? Me? you come blasting in here calling us the murderer profile & bloodthirsty we are, over some weird story of a lady killing an ole man with her butt.... makes one think that story is about you... Your whole entry is weird .................This story is not for you it is you. Haha. Why would I do that? That's wrong. Also, if I did really do that, I'd be in jail right now. Do you want to think I did that? Go ahead.
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Post by brittney on Jul 25, 2014 10:31:22 GMT -6
Not ready to just murder everyone who ever killed someone by accident or purpose. you better get your definitions straight or your paper will be done before it starts. execution is not murder and nobody gets executed for accidently killing someone. you will receive neither support or help here if you do not or cannot understand those extremely basic concepts. Killing is killing. It does not matter why, well it does but still the result is the same. A life is being taken away whether you shoot someone breaking into your home, kill someone out of a fit of jealousy, or strap someone into a chair and pull the switch, that person on the other end is having their life taken away by another human being. That's killing. Murder is killing someone. The results are the same. A life is gone. There are a lot of people in this country that would not mind seeing people die for accidentally killing someone. That's what is scary.
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Post by Donnie on Jul 25, 2014 21:13:53 GMT -6
Killing is killing only with respect to the result for the particular individual being killed. However, there is great variation in killing from a broader perspective. That is why murder is not simply "killing someone". Killing some people can actually result in fewer people being killed. For example, Juan Chavez murdered a person and was convicted of that murder. Several years later he was released from prison. He then murdered at least ten other people. If Juan would have been killed by execution after his initial murder conviction, there would have been one person killed instead of 10. So the results are not always the same. Another example is Richard Speck. He stabbed 8 women to death. If one of those women would have had a gun and killed Richard with it, then there would have been only one person dead instead of 8. Similar examples are many and varied.
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Post by john - uk on Jul 26, 2014 7:56:11 GMT -6
you better get your definitions straight or your paper will be done before it starts. execution is not murder and nobody gets executed for accidently killing someone. you will receive neither support or help here if you do not or cannot understand those extremely basic concepts. Killing is killing. It does not matter why, well it does but still the result is the same. A life is being taken away whether you shoot someone breaking into your home, kill someone out of a fit of jealousy, or strap someone into a chair and pull the switch, that person on the other end is having their life taken away by another human being. That's killing. Murder is killing someone. The results are the same. A life is gone. There are a lot of people in this country that would not mind seeing people die for accidentally killing someone. That's what is scary. You'll be telling us next that everybody killed is a victim.
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Post by brittney on Jul 27, 2014 1:42:56 GMT -6
Well maybe I am wrong about this. Yeah, I do hate the idea of life ending period, but yeah there's a difference between the death penalty and murder.
PS: Does anyone here want to chat about this somewhere else? Let me know. Online only btw.
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Post by ltdc on Jul 28, 2014 8:57:55 GMT -6
you better get your definitions straight or your paper will be done before it starts. execution is not murder and nobody gets executed for accidently killing someone. you will receive neither support or help here if you do not or cannot understand those extremely basic concepts. Killing is killing. It does not matter why, well it does but still the result is the same. A life is being taken away whether you shoot someone breaking into your home, kill someone out of a fit of jealousy, or strap someone into a chair and pull the switch, that person on the other end is having their life taken away by another human being. That's killing. Murder is killing someone. The results are the same. A life is gone. There are a lot of people in this country that would not mind seeing people die for accidentally killing someone. That's what is scary. what's scary is that you don't understand the reason and need for DEFINITIONS. can you imagine a language without them?
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Post by ltdc on Jul 28, 2014 8:58:55 GMT -6
Well maybe I am wrong about this. Yeah, I do hate the idea of life ending period, but yeah there's a difference between the death penalty and murder. PS: Does anyone here want to chat about this somewhere else? Let me know. Online only btw. what's wrong with chatting about it here?
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Post by brittney on Jul 28, 2014 9:26:01 GMT -6
I wanted a more private discussion about it. I do understand the differences, but the end result is the same. However ,remember these are just terms humanity created in order to make killing okay in certain circumstances. I don't think killing is okay under 99% of most circumstances. The only time I think it's okay is when your life is in danger or the lives of someone you care about or just the public in general is in danger. I think the desire for revenge in this country has gotten out of hand. I continue to wonder what era we are living in. It seriously is starting to feel more and more like the Wild West here. That's an era we need to be thankful we've left behind.
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