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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 0:51:07 GMT -6
Hi all. Take a look at below conversation. And reflect a little over what actually is said and the joy some seem to feel over the executions - and if these are the values you actually hold - and are proud to hold.... Nils Wow! This is interesting. With all the LI issues in Oklahoma, we now have a double execution. How does this work? I think execution time is 6.00 pm until midnight. Do they shuffle one lot of witnesses and family in, and then swap them over. I know they have had double electrocutions, but has there ever been a double LI execution? Who goes first, perhaps lowest prison number? Rayoss First you kill one, then the other. As to logistics, it doesn't seem all that daunting. Californian Texas double execution: August 2000 Cruz's execution began at about 6:30 p.m. because another prisoner, Brian Roberson, was being executed at the customary 6:00 p.m. time. Execution dates are set by local district judges and, as a result, two executions sometimes happen to be scheduled for the same day. Multiple executions are carried out in the same chamber and on the same gurney, although new sheets, needles, and tubing are used each time Rayoss A wise practice. After all, we wouldn't want the hump being executed to get an infection or anything, would we? Californian Why do they need new sheets, needles and tubing. Are they afraid the condemned be affected with HIV? Moonlight The times for Lockett and Warner are 6.00pm and 8.00pm respectively, so the execution team has plenty of time to 'refresh' the equipment. Rayozz The times for Lockett and Warner are 6.00pm and 8.00pm respectively, so the execution team has plenty of time to 'refresh' the equipment. Perhaps refreshments will be served between the festivities? Californian I'd like to know how Texas in 2000 did it so quickly. If everything goes to plan the murderer isn't declared dead until about 6.15. Witnesses, family etc. then leave. They have less than 15 minutes to 'reload', very efficient. Love to know how they organised it all. Don't know how I would feel if I was a member of the execution team. Think I would cope better with a 'refreshment' break as in Oklahoma. Rayozz As long as they both go on the 29th I don't care who is 1st, flip a coin, do them at the same time, high card wins, or loses..... Spinaltab I hope they both suffer during their executions. They really deserve that. Moonlight I fully understand your thinking, but this is the kind of info and ammo the anti's need to get stays for cruel and ............. Spinaltab Looks like the twins are going to hell.....is this called a double double. uncleremus There is so much interest in this double from international and local press that Oklahoma have to have a ballot to see who gets to be press witnesses. Lockett asked for a last meal of steak, shrimp and full trimmings. This was denied because it exceeded the $15 limit. Now that is cruel!!. Surely they could cut down the size of portions. I could easily prepare that request for under $15. So Lockett will be having his standard prison meal, and Warner will be chowing down on his chosen chicken wings. Rayozz Execution"s halted. Vein failure with Lockett. Whitediamonds Vein failure would not happen with an electric chair...or at least not in the same contextual meaning. kingsindanger Well, Lockett is dead anyhow. Heart attack. It could be the first drug given too strong, or his vein problem the flow of the other two injections did not flow thru his body fast enough. Facts will come out later on what happened. whitediamonds It was called "a botched execution". I call it Karma deathcub2000 So he died of a heart attack, that means the drugs eventually did the job. I hope he suffered. Good reddens scumbag!!!!! starbux Sounds like a good execution to me. uncleremus What a discussion........ Best wishe from Europe Nils.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2014 9:40:47 GMT -6
While you rattle on & on, be nice to see the pathology report. As an outsider I think his stress level, rage, would not drink or eat, being tasered( they had to) like many criminals, he at ironic timimg simply had a heart attack.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2014 9:59:13 GMT -6
Nils attempt to desensitization to deminish emotional responses felt towards murderers who rape, shoot & bury alive innocent victims. Nils that is a much more normal human emotion. I say the shame is on you. So is the blood of so many victims.
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Post by Royd on May 4, 2014 10:10:14 GMT -6
There can be no excuses for a botched execution. Methods will need to be reviewed, and changed if needed.
As for this execution, as grim as the process was, it still does not take anything away from the seriousness and callousness of his crimes, and as such difficult to feel any sympathy for what he suffered in light of what he made others suffer.
Is that harsh, life and death can be harsh, and he made his choices, he was not chosen to be executed, he made the choice in life that resulted in his own death.
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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 11:40:43 GMT -6
Nils attempt to desensitization to deminish emotional responses felt towards murderers who rape, shoot & bury alive innocent victims. Nils that is a much more normal human emotion. I say the shame is on you. So is the blood of so many victims. Hi. I think the quotes I quotes I posted speak for themselves. And I wonder why people post such. As far as I am concerned the Death Penalty has outlived itself, and better be abolished the sooner the better. To kill in the name of the state is simply wrong. It has nothing to to with sympathy for murderers. And I want The streets as Safe as you do. I want my loved ones as safe as you do as well. But to kill in The name of The law is just wrong. My best Euro wishes Nils.
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Post by Royd on May 4, 2014 11:53:53 GMT -6
Nils, I don't think the Death Penalty has outlived itself, many of its methods have. The problem is, some crimes are so serious anything less than the Death Penalty would not seem appropriate, especially when prison for many is not seen as punishment, rather an occupational change of life style.
Don't get me wrong, I hate the Death Penalty, and wish a viable alternative existed, but for now I will leave its use in the hands of those who choose to be executed by the nature of their crimes.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2014 12:59:18 GMT -6
Nils attempt to desensitization to deminish emotional responses felt towards murderers who rape, shoot & bury alive innocent victims. Nils that is a much more normal human emotion. I say the shame is on you. So is the blood of so many victims. Hi. I think the quotes I quotes I posted speak for themselves. And I wonder why people post such. As far as I am concerned the Death Penalty has outlived itself, and better be abolished the sooner the better. To kill in the name of the state is simply wrong. It has nothing to to with sympathy for murderers. And I want The streets as Safe as you do. I want my loved ones as safe as you do as well. But to kill in The name of The law is just wrong. My best Euro wishes Nils. You want the streets as safe as I do. Take the incarcerated guy serving life for murder, murders yet again murder inside. What" just add another 30 yrs to his already life sentence? What a joke that is. Cruel & unusual to other less offenders to have them around them is cruel & unusual. Prison did you know murderers are mixed in with non murderers, even non violent offenders. What about them? The DP has not out lived itself, some are too dangerous to contain. If we kept them in isolation for natura life that is torture. Cruel & unusual. Who exactly is the state composed of? The people who live in that state, who also pay taxes to feed & keep them to natural death? Even if murder again inside, or opportunity arises to murder more citizens. The expense for execution is better spent money in some cases. What is really happening people are become indifferent towards all those murdered, the real victims. Heck of a message for murderers isn't. Why not just out & out say to them" go for it kill all ya want we will support you for your natural life... Hey get this" some love being incarcerated...PP's money, dental health, blogs Honored with sympathy, poor murderers. Is this really what we want the state allow? Your stating there is no sympathy is not based on facts towards those killing off citizens. DR inmates get the most sympathy & attention like they are rock stars for Christ"s sake. Tell ya what" get your countries sympathizer out of our prisons, we will get our sympathizer's out of prisons then lets talk further on the DP ok, sound fair? Only direct family allowed of the level of rape/murder/peds. To visit, write, etc.
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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 13:01:43 GMT -6
Nils, I don't think the Death Penalty has outlived itself, many of its methods have. The problem is, some crimes are so serious anything less than the Death Penalty would not seem appropriate, especially when prison for many is not seen as punishment, rather an occupational change of life style.
Don't get me wrong, I hate the Death Penalty, and wish a viable alternative existed, but for now I will leave its use in the hands of those who choose to be executed by the nature of their crimes.Hi Royd. First a question. Are you the Royd from Kent, England who joined the old board years ago. I did my first posts on the old board late 97 or early 98 and I remember a Royd joining that board. Anyway, I think it is sad to see a leading democracy like America sentence criminals to death and then execute them under very questionable circumstances. Most of the democratic world has long ago abolished this procedure and mangaged its justice just fine. My best wishes. Nils.
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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 13:13:16 GMT -6
You want the streets as safe as I do. Take the incarcerated guy serving life for murder, murders yet again murder inside. What" just add another 30 yrs to his already life sentence? What a joke that is. Cruel & unusual to other less offenders to have them around them is cruel & unusual.
Prison did you know murderers are mixed in with non murderers, even non violent offenders. What about them? The DP has not out lived itself, some are too dangerous to contain. If we kept them in isolation for natura life that is torture. Cruel & unusual.
Who exactly is the state composed of? The people who live in that state, who also pay taxes to feed & keep them to natural death? Even if murder again inside, or opportunity arises to murder more citizens. The expense for execution is better spent money in some cases.
What is really happening people are become indifferent towards all those murdered, the real victims. Heck of a message for murderers isn't. Why not just out & out say to them" go for it kill all ya want we will support you for your natural life... Hey get this" some love being incarcerated...PP's money, dental health, blogs Honored with sympathy, poor murderers.
Is this really what we want the state allow? Your stating there is no sympathy is not based on facts towards those killing off citizens. DR inmates get the most sympathy & attention like they are rock stars for Christ"s sake.
Tell ya what" get your countries sympathizer out of our prisons, we will get our sympathizer's out of prisons then lets talk further on the DP ok, sound fair? Only direct family allowed of the level of rape/murder/peds. To visit, write, etc.Hi. Most murderers will not get the death penalty and will be relaesed after served term anyway, Whitediamond. Most murderers and most violent criminals will not spend their lives behind bars. They will walk our streets. They are already walking our streets today. So focus must be where it need to be - how do we make dangerous people less dangerous.? How do we reduce recidivism? 15.000 murders and 40 executions speaks for itself. best wishes. Nils.
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Post by Royd on May 4, 2014 13:18:40 GMT -6
Hi Nils, yes it is me. Still the same, well somewhat older, wiser (maybe), and greyer to.
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Post by Royd on May 4, 2014 13:19:52 GMT -6
Nils, regarding what happens in Europe, I am not fully convinced we have a proper handle on the issue of what to do with the worst of the worst criminals. Prison remains very much a change in social lifestyle for many of them.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -6
You want the streets as safe as I do. Take the incarcerated guy serving life for murder, murders yet again murder inside. What" just add another 30 yrs to his already life sentence? What a joke that is. Cruel & unusual to other less offenders to have them around them is cruel & unusual.
Prison did you know murderers are mixed in with non murderers, even non violent offenders. What about them? The DP has not out lived itself, some are too dangerous to contain. If we kept them in isolation for natura life that is torture. Cruel & unusual.
Who exactly is the state composed of? The people who live in that state, who also pay taxes to feed & keep them to natural death? Even if murder again inside, or opportunity arises to murder more citizens. The expense for execution is better spent money in some cases.
What is really happening people are become indifferent towards all those murdered, the real victims. Heck of a message for murderers isn't. Why not just out & out say to them" go for it kill all ya want we will support you for your natural life... Hey get this" some love being incarcerated...PP's money, dental health, blogs Honored with sympathy, poor murderers.
Is this really what we want the state allow? Your stating there is no sympathy is not based on facts towards those killing off citizens. DR inmates get the most sympathy & attention like they are rock stars for Christ"s sake.
Tell ya what" get your countries sympathizer out of our prisons, we will get our sympathizer's out of prisons then lets talk further on the DP ok, sound fair? Only direct family allowed of the level of rape/murder/peds. To visit, write, etc.Hi. Most murderers will not get the death penalty and will be relaesed after served term anyway, Whitediamond. Most murderers and most violent criminals will not spend their lives behind bars. They will walk our streets. They are already walking our streets today. So focus must be where it need to be - how do we make dangerous people less dangerous.? How do we reduce recidivism? 15.000 murders and 40 executions speaks for itself. best wishes. Nils. Capital murderer's are not back out on the streets. How many capital murders? Were the most dangerous to incarcerate even. 40? How do you reduce recidivism as you say" well once out need help back into society. Not just let out the doors with no money, no job, no means of transportation, no support system thats how. Set up for failure. Now captial murder should never see the streets again, if too dangerous to be in general population the DP is always should be there as option. To add; You never answered to getting sympathizers out of our prisons those who are on DR or life for capital murders....direct family only contact. Stop comforting killers who take our citizens lives.......................................
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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 13:48:40 GMT -6
Hi Nils, yes it is me. Still the same, well somewhat older, wiser (maybe), and greyer to. Okay. Nice talking to you again. I hope all is good with you. I have been mostly off this board for many years, and I miss the heat The discussions used to have. Nils.
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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 13:54:52 GMT -6
Hi Nils, yes it is me. Still the same, well somewhat older, wiser (maybe), and greyer to. Okay. Nice talking to you again. I hope all is good with you. I have been mostly off this board for many years, and I miss the heat The discussions used to have. Nils. Hi. Average sentence for murder is 16 years if i am not mistaken. Truth is that most violent and dangerous offenders are let out again, walking the streets of our cities and towns. Consequently we must focus on recidivism. Consequently we must focus on making dangerous and violent people less so.... My best. Nils.
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Post by nils on May 4, 2014 14:13:06 GMT -6
Capital murderer's are not back out on the streets. How many capital murders? Were the most dangerous to incarcerate even. 40? How do you reduce recidivism as you say" well once out need help back into society. Not just let out the doors with no money, no job, no means of transportation, no support system thats how. Set up for failure. Now captial murder should never see the streets again, if too dangerous to be in general population the DP is always should be there as option. To add; You never answered to getting sympathizers out of our prisons those who are on DR or life for capital murders....direct family only contact. Stop comforting killers who take our citizens lives........................... Hi. Since average sentence for murder is 16 years or thereabouts and other violent and dangerous offenders will be let out much much sooner, the truth is that most violent and dangerous offenders are seen on our streets again. . Consequently we cannot but focus on recidivism. We must focus on making dangerous and violent people less dangerous and less violent. What do you suggest? Handing out LWOP to all dangerous and violent offenders? Nils.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2014 15:01:51 GMT -6
Capital murderer's are not back out on the streets. How many capital murders? Were the most dangerous to incarcerate even. 40? How do you reduce recidivism as you say" well once out need help back into society. Not just let out the doors with no money, no job, no means of transportation, no support system thats how. Set up for failure. Now captial murder should never see the streets again, if too dangerous to be in general population the DP is always should be there as option. To add; You never answered to getting sympathizers out of our prisons those who are on DR or life for capital murders....direct family only contact. Stop comforting killers who take our citizens lives........................... Hi. Since average sentence for murder is 16 years or thereabouts and other violent and dangerous offenders will be let out much much sooner, the truth is that most violent and dangerous offenders are seen on our streets again. . Consequently we cannot but focus on recidivism. We must focus on making dangerous and violent people less dangerous and less violent. What do you suggest? Handing out LWOP to all dangerous and violent offenders? Nils. I personally am outraged at how many are victims of murderers. We have three degrees of murder, when one hits capital murder in the first degree as well as found to be the most dangerous " DP". Many circumstances to reach the max. Keeping them for a natural life is to high a risk inside those walls even. Capital murder while done inside prison " DP". Proven to not be containable for a natural lifetime with others. Not just yrs added on to life sentence. Things are going backwards, our prisons are full, many never should have been sent to prison to begin with, some way too long sentences for crime done( not murder) that money would be better invested in rehabs, counseling, shrinks, community service etc... better for society as a whole. There is no such thing as rehab for peds or capital murders, they should never be back on the streets again, some yes are so extreme the DP. Baby rapist/murderers DP. As far as those exonerated, or just released but still guily circumstances look at the yrs they were sentenced in..... closely. With DNA now, Cameras, cell phone pics no junk science anymore. Not just depending on witness's anymore. Both is my reply LWOP til natural death & the DP. There is no benefit to society to leave capital murders/peds back into society....none. There is no such thing as rehab for them.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2014 15:18:28 GMT -6
Hi. Since average sentence for murder is 16 years or thereabouts and other violent and dangerous offenders will be let out much much sooner, the truth is that most violent and dangerous offenders are seen on our streets again. . Consequently we cannot but focus on recidivism. We must focus on making dangerous and violent people less dangerous and less violent. What do you suggest? Handing out LWOP to all dangerous and violent offenders? Nils. I personally am outraged at how many are victims of murderers. We have three degrees of murder, when one hits capital murder in the first degree as well as found to be the most dangerous " DP". Many circumstances to reach the max. Keeping them for a natural life is to high a risk inside those walls even. Capital murder while done inside prison " DP". Proven to not be containable for a natural lifetime with others. Not just yrs added on to life sentence. Things are going backwards, our prisons are full, many never should have been sent to prison to begin with, some way too long sentences for crime done( not murder) that money would be better invested in rehabs, counseling, shrinks, community service etc... better for society as a whole. There is no such thing as rehab for peds or capital murders, they should never be back on the streets again, some yes are so extreme the DP. Baby rapist/murderers DP. As far as those exonerated, or just released but still guily circumstances look at the yrs they were sentenced in..... closely. With DNA now, Cameras, cell phone pics no junk science anymore. Not just depending on witness's anymore. Both is my reply LWOP til natural death & the DP. There is no benefit to society to leave capital murders/peds back into society....none. There is no such thing as rehab for them. Your still never answered me on get those "sympathizers" ( you claim it is not about) out of our DR here.
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Post by Californian on May 4, 2014 22:04:27 GMT -6
Hi. I think the quotes I quotes I posted speak for themselves. And I wonder why people post such. Hey Nils? Why don't you pucker up and kiss my pasty red, white and blue American ass? And grow a pair, You Euroweenie twat.
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Post by Royd on May 5, 2014 9:35:33 GMT -6
Nils, even by your own admission, current European methods of punishment for the worst of the worst is not really working.
Whilst, I would not like to see a return to the Death Penalty, I think political pressures will bring it back.
So what is the solution?
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Post by Woody on May 5, 2014 9:43:57 GMT -6
Whilst, I would not like to see a return to the Death Penalty, I think political pressures will bring it back. I doubt that.
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Post by Royd on May 5, 2014 9:47:23 GMT -6
Austrian50, mainstream politics is failing, and as such the extremes are gaining popularity, and it won't take much for radical changes to occur, and faster than could be imagined. That is why the mainstream parties need to get their acts together.
Democracy can produce some very disturbing results!
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Post by Woody on May 5, 2014 9:52:48 GMT -6
Hi. I think the quotes I quotes I posted speak for themselves. And I wonder why people post such. Hey Nils? Why don't you pucker up and kiss my pasty red, white and blue American ass? And grow a pair, You Euroweenie twat. Live and learn, I say. I thought red, white and blue is your flag, but it's an old man's ass.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 5, 2014 11:30:17 GMT -6
Hey Nils? Why don't you pucker up and kiss my pasty red, white and blue American ass? And grow a pair, You Euroweenie twat. Live and learn, I say. I thought red, white and blue is your flag, but it's an old man's ass. Live & learn more: Chicks dig a red , white & blue azz.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 5, 2014 16:01:17 GMT -6
I'll have a Dr. Pepper.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 5, 2014 16:11:55 GMT -6
Hi all. Take a look at below conversation. And reflect a little over what actually is said and the joy some seem to feel over the executions - and if these are the values you actually hold - and are proud to hold.... Nils Wow! This is interesting. With all the LI issues in Oklahoma, we now have a double execution. How does this work? I think execution time is 6.00 pm until midnight. Do they shuffle one lot of witnesses and family in, and then swap them over. I know they have had double electrocutions, but has there ever been a double LI execution? Who goes first, perhaps lowest prison number? Rayoss First you kill one, then the other. As to logistics, it doesn't seem all that daunting. Californian Texas double execution: August 2000 Cruz's execution began at about 6:30 p.m. because another prisoner, Brian Roberson, was being executed at the customary 6:00 p.m. time. Execution dates are set by local district judges and, as a result, two executions sometimes happen to be scheduled for the same day. Multiple executions are carried out in the same chamber and on the same gurney, although new sheets, needles, and tubing are used each time Rayoss A wise practice. After all, we wouldn't want the hump being executed to get an infection or anything, would we? Californian Why do they need new sheets, needles and tubing. Are they afraid the condemned be affected with HIV? Moonlight The times for Lockett and Warner are 6.00pm and 8.00pm respectively, so the execution team has plenty of time to 'refresh' the equipment. Rayozz The times for Lockett and Warner are 6.00pm and 8.00pm respectively, so the execution team has plenty of time to 'refresh' the equipment. Perhaps refreshments will be served between the festivities? Californian I'd like to know how Texas in 2000 did it so quickly. If everything goes to plan the murderer isn't declared dead until about 6.15. Witnesses, family etc. then leave. They have less than 15 minutes to 'reload', very efficient. Love to know how they organised it all. Don't know how I would feel if I was a member of the execution team. Think I would cope better with a 'refreshment' break as in Oklahoma. Rayozz As long as they both go on the 29th I don't care who is 1st, flip a coin, do them at the same time, high card wins, or loses..... Spinaltab I hope they both suffer during their executions. They really deserve that. Moonlight I fully understand your thinking, but this is the kind of info and ammo the anti's need to get stays for cruel and ............. Spinaltab Looks like the twins are going to hell.....is this called a double double. uncleremus There is so much interest in this double from international and local press that Oklahoma have to have a ballot to see who gets to be press witnesses. Lockett asked for a last meal of steak, shrimp and full trimmings. This was denied because it exceeded the $15 limit. Now that is cruel!!. Surely they could cut down the size of portions. I could easily prepare that request for under $15. So Lockett will be having his standard prison meal, and Warner will be chowing down on his chosen chicken wings. Rayozz Execution"s halted. Vein failure with Lockett. Whitediamonds Vein failure would not happen with an electric chair...or at least not in the same contextual meaning. kingsindanger Well, Lockett is dead anyhow. Heart attack. It could be the first drug given too strong, or his vein problem the flow of the other two injections did not flow thru his body fast enough. Facts will come out later on what happened. whitediamonds It was called "a botched execution". I call it Karma deathcub2000 So he died of a heart attack, that means the drugs eventually did the job. I hope he suffered. Good reddens scumbag!!!!! starbux Sounds like a good execution to me. uncleremus What a discussion........ Best wishe from Europe Nils. Let's talk about Lockett's crime. I'll start. He beat up Stephanie Neiman, shot her, and buried her alive. Now it's your turn to say something about her suffering.
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Post by Californian on May 5, 2014 20:17:57 GMT -6
Live and learn, I say. I thought red, white and blue is your flag, but it's an old man's ass. Don't make us come over there again, sonny, because this time, no more Mr. Nice Guys.
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Post by Californian on May 6, 2014 7:57:13 GMT -6
The Oklahoma Heart Vs. the Abolitionist Heart
5/6/2014 12:01:00 AM - Dennis Prager
Last week, Oklahoma authorities botched the execution of a murderer named Clayton Lockett. The execution by lethal injection took more than 40 minutes. According to witnesses, he twitched and gasped and said, "oh, man" after officials had thought he was unconscious.
Opponents of the death penalty outdid one another in expressing their outrage. It was the left's hysteria-of-the-week.
In contrast, many Oklahomans were not nearly as upset.
"Who cares if he feels pain," stylist April Sewell, at Hair Naturally in Perry told Oklahoma TV station KFOR. "You know, honestly, he's getting away a lot easier than how his victim did, how Stephanie did."
Marilee Macias, owner of the town's popular diner, Kumback Lunch, told KFOR, "What that guy got, he deserved."
Tiajuana Hammock, a friend of the family of Lockett's murder victim, Stephanie Neiman, told the station: "I have no sympathy at all. None whatsoever. Stephanie was beat up; she was shot; she was thrown in a grave when she was still alive. His little 30 minutes of lying there in anguish, if he was even feeling any anguish for 30 minutes, does not compare at all to anything Stephanie went through, or her family."
Bobby Lee Bornt, the man who was tied up and beaten by Lockett and his accomplices, said he was tired of all the talk about Lockett's rights.
"Everything that's been talked about is them, what they feel, and no one's mentioned what Stephanie's family feels and Summer and her family and what it's done to them or me and my family," Bornt said. "We live with this every single day and it, it'll honestly tear you apart."
This reaction is not confined to Oklahomans who live in Perry. Mike Christian, a Republican Congressman from Oklahoma, wasn't all that perturbed by Lockett's execution, either. He just wanted Lockett dead. "I realize this may sound harsh," the congressman said, "but as a father and former lawman, I really don't care if it's by lethal injection, by the electric chair, firing squad, hanging, the guillotine or being fed to the lions."
Nor is this reaction confined to Oklahoma. The Los Angeles Times reports that "[t]he reaction so far by readers who have sent us letters? Big deal -- the man who shot and buried his victim alive 15 years ago had it coming."
On the other side are the abolitionists.
The Los Angeles Times reporter notes that, unlike many of his newspapers' readers, he opposes capital punishment: "A government execution of anyone -- even a brutal murderer -- is an immoral, barbaric act, no matter how you do it."
He doesn't explain why it is "barbaric." In fact, in a lifetime of debating opponents of capital punishment, I have never heard one explanation as to why killing a murderer such as Lockett is "barbaric." They all merely assert it.
So does another proponent of keeping all murderers alive, Jeffrey Toobin, legal analyst for CNN and The New Yorker. He writes in The New Yorker: "The oxymoronic quest for humane executions only accentuates the absurdity of allowing the death penalty in a civilized society."
Again, not a word explaining why putting murderer/torturers like Lockett to death is an "absurdity." He just asserts it.
As for "oxymoronic," this is what's oxymoronic: the proposition that keeping people like Lockett alive is just.
Anti-death penalty activists are preoccupied with whatever suffering Lockett endured for about a half hour. Pro-death penalty people are preoccupied with what Lockett's victims endured.
For the record, here is what Clayton Lockett did on June 3, 1999:
Clayton Lockett, 23, Shawn Mathis, 26, and Alfonzo Lockett, 17, planned on robbing Bobby Lee Bornt, 23, at his house in Perry, Oklahoma. They tied up Bornt and beat him in front of the man's sobbing 9-month-old son. At the same time, Stephanie Neiman, 18, was dropping off her friend Summer Bradshaw at Bornt's home. All three robbers raped the two girls, and then drove the girls, Bornt and his baby son to a rural area. They forced Mathis to dig a grave over which Lockett shot Stephanie Neiman twice. Unfortunately, she did not die from the gunshot wounds, and so she cried and begged not to be buried alive. But Clayton Lockett ordered her buried.
"I could hear her breathing and crying and everything," Lockett said nonchalantly in his videotaped confession.
The cold hearts of the abolitionists are matched only by their mendacity. They and their European allies are the one's ultimately responsible for the botched execution. First, they force executions by lethal injection, and then they make it all but impossible to legally obtain the drugs necessary for such executions.
In virtually every account of the execution I have read, just one sentence is devoted to what Clayton Lockett did to Stephanie Neiman. And in his New York Times column, Charles M. Blow directs his fury not at Lockett -- about whom all he could say is, "Lockett was no angel" -- but for supporters of the death penalty.
Perhaps this near-ignoring of what happened to Stephanie Neiman, and other murder victims and their families, helps explain how people like Toobin, Blow, and the ACLU anti-capital punishment activists can live with themselves. So, in order to make that more difficult, I conclude with excerpts from the statement made by Stephanie's parents:
"Every day we are left with horrific images of what the last hours of Stephanie's life was like. Did she cry out for us to help her? We are left with the knowledge that she needed us and we were not aware of it therefore unable [to] help her.
"We go through the motions of living, we eat, we sleep, Steve [the father] goes to work and comes home again. We do what we have to do to make it through the day and we start all over again the next. We exist."
Jeffrey Toobin and Charles "Lockett Was No Angel" Blow should read that statement.
Not that it will matter, alas. In America today, it appears that the more passionate the opponents of capital punishment are, the colder their hearts.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2014 10:06:37 GMT -6
Hey Nils? Why don't you pucker up and kiss my pasty red, white and blue American ass? And grow a pair, You Euroweenie twat. Live and learn, I say. I thought red, white and blue is your flag, but it's an old man's ass. I'll bet you don't even know what the red, white, and blue on the flag stand for?!
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Post by ltdc on May 6, 2014 17:14:00 GMT -6
But to kill in The name of The law is just wrong. My best Euro wishes Nils. so police killing a rapist in progress is wrong in your rather strange world? kumbya
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Post by ltdc on May 7, 2014 8:42:35 GMT -6
The way this got quoted, makes it look like I made that "idiotic" comment" To kill in the name of the law is just wrong. Anyone who would make a comment like that, is in a rather strange world. ooops, it did look like that. don't know why. sometimes me and the 21st century don't always mesh well.
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