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Post by starbux on Oct 9, 2012 22:57:08 GMT -6
What about what, you may ask? Abundance, its a book that talks about exponential growth technologies. Such technologies that will enhance medical care. These enhancements, include anything from nonbots fighting diseases, making a disease programmed to fight a disease, growing your own organs for future use. You may be asking your self what the fck does this have to do with the death penalty, and the answer is NOTHING!. But it has lots to do with life without parole. According to scholars, we may be looking at the prospect of human life expectancy to increase, to where it may become common to live well into ones first century, medical advances allowing people live ages of 150 may become possible in the next decade or so. So my question is how do we deal with this issue when it comes to criminals and prison. This begs the following questions: 1. Will society be required to extend the lives of LWOP's beyond their natural span. 2. If we do have criminals live until 150, will we be compelled to feal sorry for them and release them after their 100th birtday. 3. Will this f prove LWOP cost more than DP, making the DP finally cheaper then LWOP. All thought I hate that argument because ANTIS really don't care that DP cost more, it's just a convenient argument. To me the answer is simple first off I would rather execute a criminal fast and furious. I would give them until 100 years and I would give them the option to swallow a cyanide pill. I would not extend their life beyond natural means. Food for thought.
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Post by Matt on Jan 23, 2013 12:41:42 GMT -6
Your second and third questions are essentially just restatements of your first. The fundamental question you are asking is, "will the state be required to provide life-extending therapies to murderers on death row"?
The answer is, possibly yes.
In 1976, SCOTUS ruled that prisoners are entitled to the same level of medical care as everyone else in the community. Today, debates rage in many states about whether to provide DR inmates organ transplants, for example.
I would say it will continue to be a highly subjective process as to which inmates receive what type of care. There really is no standard today (only the avoidance of so-called "cruel and unusual punishment"), and I see no reason to see why the future will be any clearer.
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lordextinct
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Post by lordextinct on Oct 10, 2014 15:54:28 GMT -6
What about what, you may ask? Abundance, its a book that talks about exponential growth technologies. Such technologies that will enhance medical care. These enhancements, include anything from nonbots fighting diseases, making a disease programmed to fight a disease, growing your own organs for future use. You may be asking your self what the fck does this have to do with the death penalty, and the answer is NOTHING!. But it has lots to do with life without parole. According to scholars, we may be looking at the prospect of human life expectancy to increase, to where it may become common to live well into ones first century, medical advances allowing people live ages of 150 may become possible in the next decade or so. So my question is how do we deal with this issue when it comes to criminals and prison. This begs the following questions: 1. Will society be required to extend the lives of LWOP's beyond their natural span. 2. If we do have criminals live until 150, will we be compelled to feal sorry for them and release them after their 100th birtday. 3. Will this f prove LWOP cost more than DP, making the DP finally cheaper then LWOP. All thought I hate that argument because ANTIS really don't care that DP cost more, it's just a convenient argument. To me the answer is simple first off I would rather execute a criminal fast and furious. I would give them until 100 years and I would give them the option to swallow a cyanide pill. I would not extend their life beyond natural means. Food for thought.
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lordextinct
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Post by lordextinct on Oct 10, 2014 16:23:14 GMT -6
Your question is very interesting and foreseeing. I haven´t read the book, but one can perhaps assume that the authorities wouldn´t waste any financial means on life sentenced convicts... Personally I embrace Your opinion, but say we should rather execute the worst of these criminals ASAP, instead of keeping them alive. After all, what the devil is the point of storing them? So therefore, what would be the use of providing a hundred years? On the other hand I wish Mr Starbux a long and prosperous life!!! I believe in shorten the lives of the convicts without any parol options, not extending them. Thank You, Sir! Lord Ext.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 10, 2014 17:15:23 GMT -6
[quote author=" lordextinct" source="/post/624046/thread" timestamp="1412979794" we should rather execute the worst of these criminals ASAP, instead of keeping them alive. After all, what the devil is the point of storing them? . [/quote] Exactly, what is the point of storing them, who have cut short others lives. O/T : Another reason to raise the age to retire.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 11, 2014 18:00:37 GMT -6
When an inmate murder's again inside those walls (states with no DP), they just add another 30 yr's or so to his life sentence. Like they already live to a 150 yrs old .
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lordextinct
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Post by lordextinct on Oct 12, 2014 14:07:36 GMT -6
When an inmate murder's again inside those walls (states with no DP), they just add another 30 yr's or so to his life sentence. Like they already live to a 150 yrs old . This appears rather absurd to me... What a waste of money and resources! No wonder there are deficits in other areas. An exorbitant situation, really. If and when an inmate commits a murder in a state with no death penalty, they ought to be transferred to a prison within another state and there be sentenced to death. Rational reasoning! Thank You, whitediamonds!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 12, 2014 15:06:46 GMT -6
When an inmate murder's again inside those walls (states with no DP), they just add another 30 yr's or so to his life sentence. Like they already live to a 150 yrs old . This appears rather absurd to me... What a waste of money and resources! Money, resources & more lives criminally lost.
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lordextinct
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Post by lordextinct on Oct 13, 2014 15:04:18 GMT -6
Spot on, madam! Adequately. But, how could we engender a change for the better, towards rational reasoning? There is certainly about time for some common sensed progress... To me personally it seems clear and a matter of course. A murder comitted within any prison should automatically (and ASAP) lead to death penalty. Perhaps, whitediamonds, within a forseeable future, this matter will be brought up to discussion. I do wonder what opinion Kent Scheidegger, the legal director of Criminal Justice Legal Foundation may have! He appears to be a guy of excellent qualities! Thank You.
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Post by Donnie on Oct 23, 2014 19:57:13 GMT -6
When an inmate murder's again inside those walls (states with no DP), they just add another 30 yr's or so to his life sentence. Like they already live to a 150 yrs old . This appears rather absurd to me... What a waste of money and resources! No wonder there are deficits in other areas. An exorbitant situation, really. If and when an inmate commits a murder in a state with no death penalty, they ought to be transferred to a prison within another state and there be sentenced to death. Rational reasoning! Thank You, whitediamonds! Absurdity is the hallmark of the judicial state. Judges with lifetime appointments have no worries about imposing their personal whims on their subjects. They have less to worry about then the "absolute monarchs" of old.
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lordextinct
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Post by lordextinct on Oct 24, 2014 15:14:15 GMT -6
Dashing, dauntless Donnie! Spot on! I certainly appreciate Your post. But the ultimate question appears to be: What the devil is there to be done about this judicial inefficiency? Every Tom, Dick and Harry culprit can hereby commit whatever crime they possibly have the opportunity to, keeping in mind that their sorrowful existances wont come to an end within an execution chamber. That´s rather disquieting and highly injustice, I´d say! There seem to be so many impressively intelligent and uprighteous members of this valued Community - and, needless to say, I am full of admiration for You all - but couldn´t we in some awesome way try to make a change for a more common-sensed penal legislation? What a wholesome uplifting action for the benefit of the US. The present circumstances are not the least satisfactory... Sincerely Yours, Lordextinct FULL STEAM AHEAD!
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Post by bernard on Jul 31, 2015 18:48:39 GMT -6
This appears rather absurd to me... What a waste of money and resources! No wonder there are deficits in other areas. An exorbitant situation, really. If and when an inmate commits a murder in a state with no death penalty, they ought to be transferred to a prison within another state and there be sentenced to death. Rational reasoning! Thank You, whitediamonds! Absurdity is the hallmark of the judicial state. Judges with lifetime appointments have no worries about imposing their personal whims on their subjects. They have less to worry about then the "absolute monarchs" of old. It's rare that we agree on something.
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