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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 2:12:50 GMT -6
Hello there, I have some questions regarding the Death Penalty in the U.S.
I am curious as to know what your stance is on double-punishment AND the legal matter on that topic.
What I mean is the following:
1) If someone has been sentenced to death is it then fine with you to punish them further before their death sentence is carried out?
To be more specific: Let's say we have an inmate who committed murder and is now sentenced to die by lethal injection. He suffers from severe depression, anxiety attacks and psychotic disorders prior to his execution. Imprisonment makes his condition worse and is in itself a punishment - and to him torture.
Is it then fine with you, in your opinion, to give him medications to relieve his mental sufferings prior to execution? I mean, he is going to be punished once for his murder. Is it neccessary to punish him further?
2) What does the law in the U.S. say about this issue? Are prisoners allowed to be medicated for their mental sufferings prior to execution?
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Post by Felix2 on Jul 20, 2011 4:03:05 GMT -6
Hello there, I have some questions regarding the Death Penalty in the U.S. I am curious as to know what your stance is on double-punishment AND the legal matter on that topic. What I mean is the following: 1) If someone has been sentenced to death is it then fine with you to punish them further before their death sentence is carried out? To be more specific: Let's say we have an inmate who committed murder and is now sentenced to die by lethal injection. He suffers from severe depression, anxiety attacks and psychotic disorders prior to his execution. Imprisonment makes his condition worse and is in itself a punishment - and to him torture. Is it then fine with you, in your opinion, to give him medications to relieve his mental sufferings prior to execution? I mean, he is going to be punished once for his murder. Is it neccessary to punish him further? 2) What does the law in the U.S. say about this issue? Are prisoners allowed to be medicated for their mental sufferings prior to execution? I am not from the US but am sure that the practice is that thye will medicate individuals if they are in need of it. In the case of serious mental illness if it is genuine, it would be unlikely they wiould be on death row in any event. But yes, depression and illnesses of that degree and nature, they do receive treatment for. I am sure some of my pro death penalty opponents in the debate from the US can verify this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 8:56:46 GMT -6
In the case of serious mental illness if it is genuine, it would be unlikely they wiould be on death row in any event Are you sure about that? If you kill someone, you either get executed or Life Without Parole in a regular prison.
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Post by Felix2 on Jul 20, 2011 9:43:37 GMT -6
In the case of serious mental illness if it is genuine, it would be unlikely they wiould be on death row in any event Are you sure about that? If you kill someone, you either get executed or Life Without Parole in a regular prison. If he had a serious mental illness the constitution bars execution as with individualsm with learning difficulties. I am not talking about cases where they simply plead that, but where its assessed and accepted by defence and prosecution. As regards outcome they would eityher go to a secure priosn or mental health secure unit. potentially indefinitely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 9:55:04 GMT -6
In the case of serious mental illness if it is genuine, it would be unlikely they wiould be on death row in any event Are you sure about that? If you kill someone, you either get executed or Life Without Parole in a regular prison. I think that you should realize that the usual length of time spent in prison by a murderer is 12 years in the US. So, no I would say at least 99% of murderers are not executed or get LWOP. I think the propoganda that is out there about the justice system in the US is not correct and that some antis groups use this to get sympathy for murderers.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jul 20, 2011 17:45:31 GMT -6
The more anxious and scared they are the better! They taste so much better when they're frightened.
As far as meds go, I'd give the POS the minimum needed to avoid having the execution stayed on the ground that he is insane. Of course, if it were up to me, I'd juice him regardless of his sanity. But the SCOTUS says we can't juice'em while they are insane, so I'd give them anti-psychotics or what have you. But I wouldn't give them Valium or anything to calm the nerves before execution like some states do.
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Post by Garotte on Jul 21, 2011 11:59:44 GMT -6
I'm fully in favour of medicating death row prisoners, including giving them tranquilizers before their executions, if they want so... I don't think they should be rendered unconscious (like they do in Taiwan before shooting them), but yes drugged enough not to feel pain, either inherent to the execution or if something goes wrong.
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Post by Donnie on Jul 23, 2011 14:28:44 GMT -6
2) What does the law in the U.S. say about this issue? Are prisoners allowed to be medicated for their mental sufferings prior to execution? They always get more medication than they gave the murder victims whom they punished. One murderer was given a kidney transplant while on death row. Often lawyers for murderers will attempt to prevent murderers on death row from receiving medications so that they can keep them insane enough to avoid punishment.
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Post by starbux on Apr 11, 2012 23:02:42 GMT -6
First off if they have a true legitimate Psychological disorder such as Schizophrenia, then chances are that they would not be on death row to begin with.
Also, if they are not cognizant, on why they are being punished, then usually they are not executed. Of course this is hard to prove, many have tried faking, fortunately psychiatry advanced enough to know if someone is faking it.
Now if someone is suffering from a mild social disorder, like depression then they can be medicated and still be executed.
Now the "Moral" debate on this that comes into play is if someone becomes mentally impaired years after the crime, and if they are not cognizant of what w/o meds. Is it acceptable to medicate them for the sole purpose of executing them.
Personally, if the medicine makes them aware of why they are being punished, than I say Absolutely! , hang'em high and carry out justice!
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Post by Felix2 on Apr 12, 2012 10:17:10 GMT -6
First off if they have a true legitimate Psychological disorder such as Schizophrenia, then chances are that they would not be on death row to begin with. Also, if they are not cognizant, on why they are being punished, then usually they are not executed. Of course this is hard to prove, many have tried faking, fortunately psychiatry advanced enough to know if someone is faking it. Now if someone is suffering from a mild social disorder, like depression then they can be medicated and still be executed. Now the "Moral" debate on this that comes into play is if someone becomes mentally impaired years after the crime, and if they are not cognizant of what w/o meds. Is it acceptable to medicate them for the sole purpose of executing them. Personally, if the medicine makes them aware of why they are being punished, than I say Absolutely! , hang'em high and carry out justice! I would just like to state that schizophrenia is a psychiatric disorder rather than a psychological one!
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Post by Felix2 on Apr 12, 2012 10:34:05 GMT -6
Hello there, I have some questions regarding the Death Penalty in the U.S. I am curious as to know what your stance is on double-punishment AND the legal matter on that topic. What I mean is the following: 1) If someone has been sentenced to death is it then fine with you to punish them further before their death sentence is carried out? To be more specific: Let's say we have an inmate who committed murder and is now sentenced to die by lethal injection. He suffers from severe depression, anxiety attacks and psychotic disorders prior to his execution. Imprisonment makes his condition worse and is in itself a punishment - and to him torture. Is it then fine with you, in your opinion, to give him medications to relieve his mental sufferings prior to execution? I mean, he is going to be punished once for his murder. Is it neccessary to punish him further? 2) What does the law in the U.S. say about this issue? Are prisoners allowed to be medicated for their mental sufferings prior to execution? Hi there, I am not American buty having hung out with these pro DP creeps for a good number of years I do recall they do offer medication and treatment in the years before execution. In that sense they dont punish as in withold medical treatment if it is deemed to be needed. The odd thing about it to my mind is the way the Staet can end up providign medical treatment to ensure the inmate is both mentally and physically well and then they kill him, but as thy say, only in America!
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Post by Donnie on Apr 14, 2012 12:15:45 GMT -6
The odd thing about it to my mind is the way the Staet can end up providign medical treatment to ensure the inmate is both mentally and physically well and then they kill him, but as thy say, only in America! Why do you consider a rational approach to justice to be odd?
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Post by starbux on Apr 14, 2012 20:07:20 GMT -6
Yeah I know right! I mean what should the punishment be for shoving a tire iron in someones anus and breaking every bone in their skull. i.e Michael Archulatta? I am guessing some people probably would say 50 dollar fine and community service
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