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Post by mbnorrie on Jun 17, 2010 20:37:12 GMT -6
so your saying the someone he was due to get married to, is not the same as someone he was married to? that doesn't make sense, they could have been due to be married the next day for all i know, if i asked someone to marry me im prty sure they would know me prty well, unless your in the practice of marrying random people It doesn't matter legally she was not a family member. Btw, did anyone ever find out if she was married and had children with another man at his time? That would be quite an interesting detail left out by the anti media. it would be weird if she hadnt got married or had other relationships, it had been 25 years dude, come on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 20:42:14 GMT -6
It doesn't matter legally she was not a family member. Btw, did anyone ever find out if she was married and had children with another man at his time? That would be quite an interesting detail left out by the anti media. it would be weird if she hadnt got married or had other relationships, it had been 25 years dude, come on Then she definitely has no interest in this other than her own need for attention or was she hunted down by anti groups to do this. Don't act all shocked and disgusted because it is the antis that do this all the time. I asked you before what other family of Burdell was there? I have gotten no answer. I assume no other family members. As I said one exfiancee does not a family make.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 20:50:44 GMT -6
It doesn't matter legally she was not a family member. Btw, did anyone ever find out if she was married and had children with another man at his time? That would be quite an interesting detail left out by the anti media. it would be weird if she hadnt got married or had other relationships, it had been 25 years dude, come on I would like to point out that I am not a dude. I am a dudette.
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Post by mbnorrie on Jun 17, 2010 20:52:49 GMT -6
it would be weird if she hadnt got married or had other relationships, it had been 25 years dude, come on Then she definitely has no interest in this other than her own need for attention or was she hunted down by anti groups to do this. Don't act all shocked and disgusted because it is the antis that do this all the time. I asked you before what other family of Burdell was there? I have gotten no answer. I assume no other family members. As I said one exfiancee does not a family make. lol i dont know what other family members have said, that wasnt really the point, you seem to get stuck on little details the point was, as you are also having trouble answering on my other post, is what if the family doesnt want the murderer to be executed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 20:56:45 GMT -6
Then she definitely has no interest in this other than her own need for attention or was she hunted down by anti groups to do this. Don't act all shocked and disgusted because it is the antis that do this all the time. I asked you before what other family of Burdell was there? I have gotten no answer. I assume no other family members. As I said one exfiancee does not a family make. lol i dont know what other family members have said, that wasnt really the point, you seem to get stuck on little details the point was, as you are also having trouble answering on my other post, is what if the family doesnt want the murderer to be executed It really doesn't matter what the family wants The laws are in place and that is what matters. Believe me I know this all to well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 21:11:53 GMT -6
Then she definitely has no interest in this other than her own need for attention or was she hunted down by anti groups to do this. Don't act all shocked and disgusted because it is the antis that do this all the time. I asked you before what other family of Burdell was there? I have gotten no answer. I assume no other family members. As I said one exfiancee does not a family make. lol i dont know what other family members have said, that wasnt really the point, you seem to get stuck on little details the point was, as you are also having trouble answering on my other post, is what if the family doesnt want the murderer to be executed I should inform you that victims' rights aren't anything you think. These are also laws and where I am from the rights are very sparse. Allowed to be informed and present at all hearings, trial and sentencing. Will be informed about a plea bargain. MVSs are not allowed to choose if they want a trial or not, it is in the hands of the judicial system. MVSs are allowed to give a VIS victim impact statement during the penalty phase of the trial. It is there they can let their views about the DP be known. It doesn't matter if they want the DP or don't want the DP, it is decided by the jurors. So, when you talk about victims' rights maybe you should see how few victims' rights there are.
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Post by Californian on Jun 17, 2010 21:39:53 GMT -6
Everyones harping on about justice, but justice for who exactly? " We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."Questions, Kiwi?
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 17, 2010 23:18:29 GMT -6
lol i dont know what other family members have said, that wasnt really the point, you seem to get stuck on little details the point was, as you are also having trouble answering on my other post, is what if the family doesnt want the murderer to be executed It really doesn't matter what the family wants The laws are in place and that is what matters. Believe me I know this all to well. Exactly, and that's how it should be carried out. What if half of the victim's family wanted the dp and the other half didn't should we then just half kill them?
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 18, 2010 0:18:15 GMT -6
How Gardner spent his final hoursAs his lawyers hurriedly appealed to Utah's governor, a U.S. appeals court and even the U.S. Supreme Court, Ronnie Lee Gardner spent his final hours doing relatively mundane things. On Wednesday night he met with his family for the last time before his execution. He spoke with his daughter, Brandie Gardner; son, Daniel Gardner; and brother Randy Gardner. He also met with his granddaughter, Darian Gardner. Ronnie Lee Gardner touched his loved ones for the last time. And then they were gone. Later, he was moved to a holding cell at the Utah State Prison in Draper, where inmates awaiting execution are closely guarded by staff and where they will spend their last moments before entering the death chamber. The 49-year-old was described as "reflective" and "relaxed" during the hours before he was to die by firing squad. He worked his way through the "Lord of the Rings" movie trilogy, read from the spy thriller Divine Justice and slept. The Department of Corrections provided hourly updates on Gardner throughout the night Thursday. Most were brief, just a few sentences. One of the most traditionally talked about moments in an execution came days before. Gardner had his last meal of steak, lobster tail, vanilla ice cream, apple pie and 7-Up on Tuesday night, saying he would undergo a 48-hour fast. He did not eat after that but did drink vitamin water and Sprite about 6 p.m. Thursday. He later drank a Coke and a Mountain Dew, Corrections officials said. He met with his attorneys, presumably to be brought up to speed as his few remaining court appeals dwindled to nothing. He read personal mail, then met with a bishop of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about 8 p.m. By 9:30 p.m., all communication from clergy, attorneys and others was cut off. Gardner continued watching movies at that point. He was 90 feet from the death chamber. Corrections officials said he was still "relaxed" at 10:40 p.m. www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15323354
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 18, 2010 0:24:00 GMT -6
Waiting for the Firing SquadUtah death-row inmate Ronnie Lee Gardner is scheduled to be shot shortly after midnight. Pia Jensen reports from the prison.On June 17, at 5 p.m., the parking lot outside the Draper, Utah, prison building where Ronnie Lee Gardner is scheduled to be executed by firing squad was already full of media trucks. The only people who could get close to the building were approved members of the media, including a reporter from The Daily Beast. No protesters were in evidence. Inside a large media room, TV cameras were set up and journalists took their seats, positioning laptops on the desks in front of them and watching TV news for updates on the execution that’s still planned for shortly after midnight. It will be the first execution performed by firing squad in this new permanent chamber, 20 feet by 24 feet and fitted with curtains to cover the bulletproof windows between the chamber and the adjacent witness rooms. Gardner has the right to invite up to five witnesses, but it wasn’t known if he had asked for any. We were told that the prisoner seemed calm and relaxed. He had been sleeping, reading Divine Justice and watching a movie, the Lord of the Rings trilogy. He had been fasting since his last meal yesterday. He has the right to visit with clergy, but had not requested any. The executioners were pre-selected by the Department of Corrections and had to be law-enforcement-certified in Utah. They will remain anonymous, and will be stationed behind a gun-ported brick wall in the execution chamber. The five executioners will be armed with .30 caliber rifles, four of which will be loaded with live rounds. The weapon with the blank round will be unknown to the law-enforcement officers. Gardner will be secured to a chair with a target placed over his heart and a hood over his head. He will have a chance to give his last words, and then the execution team will commence fire. A physician will be on site to certify that death has occurred. Gardner was first arrested at age 9. He has been on death row since 1985. There are nine other offenders on death row at the Utah State Prison. Gardner originally elected to die by firing squad, changed his choice to lethal injection, and ultimately switched back to firing squad. He has decided which family members will be allowed to attend the execution, but we don’t know who. No more than five close relatives can be present. A selected pool of media witnesses will be there, in addition to religious representation, the state’s attorney general, and two law-enforcement officials. www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-17/ronnie-lee-gardner-to-be-executed-by-firing-squad/
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Post by rick4404 on Jun 18, 2010 5:45:35 GMT -6
Ronnie Lee Gardner became the third person in the United States to be executed by a firing squad early Friday morning. Gardner was executed by a five member firing squad at the Utah State Prison in Draper, Utah; about 20 miles south of Salt Lake City for a murder he committed 25 years ago.
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Post by wrench on Jun 18, 2010 9:08:12 GMT -6
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Post by RED on Jun 18, 2010 10:49:15 GMT -6
I find it interesting that Mr. Gardner did not have his lawyer close to witness his execution. Oh, wait. That's because he murdered his lawyer. Nevermind.
Love, RED
P.S. Another victim of his own actions.
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Post by rick4404 on Jun 18, 2010 11:30:30 GMT -6
It wouldn't be surprising to find them on ebay or Craig's List someday. The volunteer executioners were drawn from the ranks of law enforcement officers within the state of Utah. By statute, their identities are specifically allowed to be kept secret for obvious security reasons. They were paid for their services in cash, so there is no paper trail resulting from a check being drawn by the state treasury to pay the five executioners.
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