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Post by Tazz on Jan 27, 2010 15:30:22 GMT -6
Alright, i have to write a persuasive paper on the death penalty going against someone else who is against it. Any help on some strong points to emphasize that could make people think something other than 'two wrongs dont make a right'?
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Post by ltdc on Jan 27, 2010 15:50:25 GMT -6
well Taz, welcome to this board. do some surfing here and you will probably get a quicker, better idea of the issues.
mine is simple. make two columns.
at the top of one column put the name of an executed killer (or two or three) under this column list the names of people they murdered after their executions.
at the top of the other column put the names of those convicted of murder and sentenced to prison. these names are available in the above listed resources at the top of this webpage.
then start listing names of their murder victims after they got out of prison (for any reason or even in prison)
then simply ask, why?
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Post by Tazz on Jan 27, 2010 16:04:34 GMT -6
thank you. this is definately going to get their attention. the things i found are heart breaking. i hope the class is as affected by it as i am. thanks again.
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Post by ltdc on Jan 27, 2010 17:19:54 GMT -6
thank you. this is definately going to get their attention. the things i found are heart breaking. i hope the class is as affected by it as i am. thanks again. let us know how it works out
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Post by mike5 on Jan 27, 2010 18:02:11 GMT -6
thank you. this is definately going to get their attention. the things i found are heart breaking. i hope the class is as affected by it as i am. thanks again. Talk about all the deterrence studies. "According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented. The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly. .... “The evidence on whether it has a significant deterrent effect seems sufficiently plausible that the moral issue becomes a difficult one,” said Cass R. Sunstein, a law professor at the University of Chicago who has frequently taken liberal positions. “I did shift from being against the death penalty to thinking that if it has a significant deterrent effect it’s probably justified.” Professor Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule, a law professor at Harvard, wrote in their own Stanford Law Review article that “the recent evidence of a deterrent effect from capital punishment seems impressive, especially in light of its ‘apparent power and unanimity,’ ” quoting a conclusion of a separate overview of the evidence in 2005 by Robert Weisberg, a law professor at Stanford, in the Annual Review of Law and Social Science. “Capital punishment may well save lives,” the two professors continued. “Those who object to capital punishment, and who do so in the name of protecting life, must come to terms with the possibility that the failure to inflict capital punishment will fail to protect life.” www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/18deter.htmlAlso see the more recent studies from Texas: www.crimeandconsequences.com/crimblog/2009/11/the-long-and-short-of-death-pe.html#moreMany of the people doing these studies are anti-DP and were surprised by the results. I think the last sentence in the quote is an effect response when they argue about how they can't accept an innocent being executed, because by not imposing the DP, they are certainly accepting responsibility for innocent victims being killed. By the way, there is no proof anyone executed since the DP was reinstated was innocent. Be prepared to respond to the phony exoneration claims and DPIC list. Exonerated does not equal innocent. Good luck!
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Post by crappieboy on Feb 2, 2010 8:05:57 GMT -6
Give a short bio of a case. Make them cry. My inlaws are such a case. Shot execution style lying in the bed in the home they shared over 49 years - while their murderer who planned this, confessed this has continued to appeal now for 14 years. The only justice for victims is no justice apparently.
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Post by Luke on Mar 15, 2010 11:17:12 GMT -6
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Post by mags on Jun 17, 2010 19:29:42 GMT -6
when considering the death penalty some thing and statistics are not always considered. some may argue that the death penalty is sexist, racist, and socio-economics. the ratio of men to women on death row (and executed) is 68:1. men commited 476,937 rapes, roberies and bulglaries and women 47,357 or a ratio of 10:1. women appear to be on deth row in numbers that would be expected, however only ONE women has been executed since 1976!!!! of the 313 persons executed between 1977 and 1995, 36 had been convicted of killing a black person while 249 (80%) had killed a white person. of the 178 white defandents executed, only THREE had been convicted of mudering people of color. and aproximately 90% of those on death row (white and colored) could not afford to hire a lawyer when they were tried!!!
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Post by Donnie on Jun 18, 2010 21:16:55 GMT -6
of the 313 persons executed between 1977 and 1995, 36 had been convicted of killing a black person while 249 (80%) had killed a white person. ! Who picks the color of murder victims?
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Post by Donnie on Jun 18, 2010 21:19:06 GMT -6
and aproximately 90% of those on death row (white and colored) could not afford to hire a lawyer when they were tried!!! What percentage of murderers not on death row could not afford to hire a lawyer when they were tried? Without a comparison, the statistic that you cite is meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 11:40:54 GMT -6
I have to write a paper for a final grade I chose this topic Ito am pro DP Ihave my cite sourses but could still use some ideas
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Post by Donnie on Nov 20, 2010 16:00:52 GMT -6
I have to write a paper for a final grade I chose this topic Ito am pro DP Ihave my cite sourses but could still use some ideas Have you read "Dead Family Walking" by D. D. de Vinci? The following is from the web page for the book: On November 5, 1977, the Bourque's teenage daughter, Loretta, was found murdered in a trash pile near the city of New Iberia, Louisiana lying side by side near her boyfriend–with three well-placed bullet holes behind each head. No apparent motive. Very little clues. WHAT THE PUBLIC KNEW While the families of the murdered teenagers tried to find closure, a Catholic nun becomes spiritual advisor to one brother on death row and made it her mission to defend him, arguing that the crime was a single act of violence for which the other brother was solely responsible. Her attempts failed, killer is executed in 1984 when she and killer vow love for each other before he dies. Nun takes body to Baton Rouge for free funeral and mass performed by Bishop. Fifteen nuns brought in from New Orleans to attend funeral for stranger. Body laid to rest in Baton Rouge cemetery on sacred ground. Nun later writes book: Dead Man Walking. WHAT THE PUBLIC DID NOT KNOW Prior to the murders, posing as police, the brothers would hunt people on weekends kidnapping an estimated 30 couples. Boys would be handcuffed in view of girls being held down, raped, threatened and released. Secret conversation with Catholic priest revealed killer's funeral staged by Church hierarchy to protest capital punishment and said Bishop was subdued. Funeral home pressured for free funeral. Grounds keeper of cemetery said nun went behind Mother Superior's back to have killer buried. Thirty days after burial, upset nuns secretly tried to have killer's corpse disinterred. After 6 years of trials and appeals, the devout-Catholic Bourques hoped with the killer's execution they could put the nightmare behind them and find some peace with which to live. Instead, the surprising scorn from Church leaders in Baton Rouge was just the beginning of family pain causing them to stop attending church—but they eventually returned with unexpected disrespect for Church personnel.
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Post by Donnie on Nov 20, 2010 16:02:51 GMT -6
I have to write a paper for a final grade I chose this topic Ito am pro DP Ihave my cite sourses but could still use some ideas Two other good books are "Victim" by Gary Kinder and "Forgiving the Dead Man Walking" by Debbie Morris. There is nothing wrong with forgiving a truly repentant murderer before executing him. Of course he cannot be forgiven for the actual harm to the primary murder victim because the murderer always forcibly prevents that victim from forgiving anybody for anything.
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Post by mike5 on Nov 20, 2010 17:10:50 GMT -6
I have to write a paper for a final grade I chose this topic Ito am pro DP Ihave my cite sourses but could still use some ideas Have you read "Dead Family Walking" by D. D. de Vinci? The following is from the web page for the book: On November 5, 1977, the Bourque's teenage daughter, Loretta, was found murdered in a trash pile near the city of New Iberia, Louisiana lying side by side near her boyfriend–with three well-placed bullet holes behind each head. No apparent motive. Very little clues. WHAT THE PUBLIC KNEW While the families of the murdered teenagers tried to find closure, a Catholic nun becomes spiritual advisor to one brother on death row and made it her mission to defend him, arguing that the crime was a single act of violence for which the other brother was solely responsible. Her attempts failed, killer is executed in 1984 when she and killer vow love for each other before he dies. Nun takes body to Baton Rouge for free funeral and mass performed by Bishop. Fifteen nuns brought in from New Orleans to attend funeral for stranger. Body laid to rest in Baton Rouge cemetery on sacred ground. Nun later writes book: Dead Man Walking. WHAT THE PUBLIC DID NOT KNOW Prior to the murders, posing as police, the brothers would hunt people on weekends kidnapping an estimated 30 couples. Boys would be handcuffed in view of girls being held down, raped, threatened and released. Secret conversation with Catholic priest revealed killer's funeral staged by Church hierarchy to protest capital punishment and said Bishop was subdued. Funeral home pressured for free funeral. Grounds keeper of cemetery said nun went behind Mother Superior's back to have killer buried. Thirty days after burial, upset nuns secretly tried to have killer's corpse disinterred. After 6 years of trials and appeals, the devout-Catholic Bourques hoped with the killer's execution they could put the nightmare behind them and find some peace with which to live. Instead, the surprising scorn from Church leaders in Baton Rouge was just the beginning of family pain causing them to stop attending church—but they eventually returned with unexpected disrespect for Church personnel. Wow. That's something I wasn't aware about. Just more proof of what a lying disgusting b*tch prejean is.
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Post by justicex84 on Dec 7, 2010 4:04:44 GMT -6
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Dec 7, 2010 4:29:30 GMT -6
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Post by justicex84 on Dec 9, 2010 3:44:57 GMT -6
Oh I understand, Belarus do not have a good leader, but I just hope they ignore the EU (who is no different)
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Dec 9, 2010 3:57:49 GMT -6
Oh I understand, Belarus do not have a good leader, but I just hope they ignore the EU (who is no different) Belarus doesn't have a "good leader"? Well, that's a euphemism. They have a dictator. How about that?
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Post by justicex84 on Feb 12, 2011 7:22:43 GMT -6
UKIP voted against the World Day Against The Death Penalty on 7 October 2010:
“UKIP accepts there are legitimate arguments about the death penalty, both for and against. However, UKIP feels that the decision to have or not have the death penalty is a decision that lies only with the individual nation state, and not the undemocratic EU. UKIP notes the attempts the EU has made to interfere with other countries’ policies in this area. It is not for the EU to bully any country into maintaining abolition or enacting abolition of the death penalty. UKIP also notes the way the EU has shut down any debate on this topic in the European context, despite public opinion on the subject. The maintenance or otherwise of the death penalty is, and should remain, a decision solely made at the nation state level via democratic means. Any state with the death penalty should ensure proper procedures of evidence collection, prisoner interrogation and fair trials.”
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