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Post by Kay on Mar 8, 2009 7:16:31 GMT -6
I think there is a fundamental problem with harvesting organs from an deceased person. So far on this thread I have seen the post by JBS that confirms what I am thinking; the doctors maintain the patient on life support until the harvest is complete. This probably conflicts with putting someone to death as a penalty for a crime and therefore precludes the harvesting of their organs. Not sure, just a thought. Yes, JBS and Californian are correct, my daughter died of an illness, and we donated her organs, she remained on life support until after the donation.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Mar 8, 2009 7:26:19 GMT -6
I think there is a fundamental problem with harvesting organs from an deceased person. So far on this thread I have seen the post by JBS that confirms what I am thinking; the doctors maintain the patient on life support until the harvest is complete. This probably conflicts with putting someone to death as a penalty for a crime and therefore precludes the harvesting of their organs. Not sure, just a thought. Yes, JBS and Californian are correct, my daughter died of an illness, and we donated her organs, she remained on life support until after the donation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 12:59:02 GMT -6
I have no problem with this. Why am I not surprised... Why are you saying that? Because I am German?
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 8, 2009 13:32:49 GMT -6
Why are you saying that? Because I am German? Ich bin selbst Deutscher. The point is that you have proposed "mass gas chambers" and have no problem with using the bodies of executed inmates as a resource to meet demands in a society although you should know what happened in our country. This raises questions about your political stance in my eyes. You do know what kind of allusions come up where we live if you talk like that, do you? The Central Jewish Council would kick *your rear* for those proposals and you must know that if you live here. So, if you still propose it it makes me believe you're intentionally mitigating the crimes of the Nazi regime. DEE and subsurf have put it correctly: the punishment is death meaning that when the convict is dead, the punishment is over. You want to take the last remains of dignity from the convicts; not that I believe that there's much left over after their acts. Still, they are as even with this world as they can be after the execution. The justice following up is not in our hands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 16:39:20 GMT -6
Why are you saying that? Because I am German? Ich bin selbst Deutscher. The point is that you have proposed "mass gas chambers" and have no problem with using the bodies of executed inmates as a resource to meet demands in a society although you should know what happened in our country. This raises questions about your political stance in my eyes. You do know what kind of allusions come up where we live if you talk like that, do you? The Central Jewish Council would kick *your rear* for those proposals and you must know that if you live here. So, if you still propose it it makes me believe you're intentionally mitigating the crimes of the Nazi regime. DEE and subsurf have put it correctly: the punishment is death meaning that when the convict is dead, the punishment is over. You want to take the last remains of dignity from the convicts; not that I believe that there's much left over after their acts. Still, they are as even with this world as they can be after the execution. The justice following up is not in our hands. My generation and generations that comed after my generation can not have the blame for the things the Nazis did. It is not the business of the Germans of today anymore what the Germans have done 70 years in the past. We can be careful only that this things never happen again to innocent peoples.
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 9, 2009 11:03:57 GMT -6
My generation and generations that comed after my generation can not have the blame for the things the Nazis did. It is not the business of the Germans of today anymore what the Germans have done 70 years in the past. We can be careful only that this things never happen again to innocent peoples. Of course it is absolutely wrong to hold us responsible for acts which were committed before we were born. But we can be held responsible for acts which will be committed in the future because we didn't do anything against it or even participated in it. We will be held responsible for having proposed industrialized killing, for not having learned from our past. The factor which makes the Holocaust unique is not that people were killed or how many but that murder was industrialized. The economic value of life was calculated and people were exploited and murdererd according to that pattern to ensure a comfortable life or a stronger military for the others. This can never be right, no matter whether someone is innocent or guilty. If you believe in the DP this is one thing but what you propose doesn't have to do with justice, it's pure extermination. You degrade life to something it shouldn't be in any society. With our past, you should know that this is wrong. If someone from a different country doesn't see that, it's bad enough. But a German must know that it's wrong.
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