|
Post by Felix2 on Dec 26, 2008 17:28:49 GMT -6
I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it. In your country, guards are ordered to serve tea to prisoners and to be friends to serial killers/rapists of little girls. How is that being impartial? LOL, are you being real? Yeah, thats exactly wehy Huntley keeps trying to make serious attempts on his own life. Yes, they do not mistreat them but this is bull crap spouted out by papaers who actually know little if anything of what goes on in prisons.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 26, 2008 18:11:20 GMT -6
Don't believe everything you read in the papers. I don't. However, when an article discusses attorneys going to court, the court issuing an order to those overseeing the prisons, who then issue an order to the correctional officers, who then complain about it, I see no reason to question it. My main concern was about officer safety and not about coddling prisoners. Back in the day before in cell kettles inmates used to get hot water from a hot water tank on the landing. They could only do this, however, when they were unlocked from their cell. Most prisoners ended up sticking razor blades in stereo leads and putting one end in the plug socket and the other end in the cup of water. The result was hot water and, on occassions, an entire power outage of the wing when the 2 razor blades touched together lol. There was certainly no guard who made your cups of tea for you and food is served by the inmates to the inmates ( never fall out with someone who works on the servery unless you want yourfood spat in ).
|
|
mike5
Banned
Ai! Ai! Ai! Ai! Ay!
Posts: 3,662
|
Post by mike5 on Dec 26, 2008 21:08:56 GMT -6
In your country, guards are ordered to serve tea to prisoners and to be friends to serial killers/rapists of little girls. How is that being impartial? LOL, are you being real? Yeah, thats exactly wehy Huntley keeps trying to make serious attempts on his own life. Yes, they do not mistreat them but this is bull crap spouted out by papaers who actually know little if anything of what goes on in prisons. LOL, are you just pretending to be an idiot? Or, are you really an idiot? Must be the later. The last person who should be consulted on prison conditions are antis. Funny you should mention Huntley, though. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023195/Be-NICE-Mr-Huntley-Prison-guards-told-treat-Soham-child-killer-like-hes-family.html His suicide attempt couldn't be that serious if he took pills.
|
|
|
Post by D.E.E. on Dec 26, 2008 21:44:30 GMT -6
I do not think it is a mix up, in my country I am required to be impartial on how I treat them not how I view them, and since I am free to state my view I do. Are you trying to tell me that your officers have no view on them, or is it just they are not allowed to state that view? BTW there was a mix up I thought I was replying to Andy, I would not have called you a dip shyt or said you do not know about professionalism otherwise. Sorry about that. So you don't go by what people post but rather whether they are a particular poster or not. It is Andy, by the way. Sometimes I do go by who it is, if it is someone who is just ignorant I will try and educate them, if however they are ignorant and chose to remain that way (as in Andy) then I respond differently. The information will be the same how it is presented will be different. Which are you?
|
|
|
Post by D.E.E. on Dec 26, 2008 21:52:15 GMT -6
I do not think it is a mix up, in my country I am required to be impartial on how I treat them not how I view them, and since I am free to state my view I do. Are you trying to tell me that your officers have no view on them, or is it just they are not allowed to state that view? BTW there was a mix up I thought I was replying to Andy, I would not have called you a dip shyt or said you do not know about professionalism otherwise. Sorry about that. Then my cunning plan of a name change worked?! Just takes something so simple to change so much eh? I think you can say what you like as long as nobody important hears you. Some officer over here was disciplined just for calling the alcoholic annonymous group ( who were prison inmates ) "alchies"! So much for freedom of speech in England then. In the US as long as I am not representing TDCJ or speaking as their representive then I am free to say what I like. In other words dip shyt I can say anything about the scum bag criminals that I want to as long as I maintain confidentiality, and only speak as a private citizen. Even if I disclose what my job is I am still speaking as a citizen and not a representive of the job, if I am asked a question as an official I have to give policy and nothing more.
|
|
|
Post by PIP on Dec 26, 2008 22:02:59 GMT -6
LOL, are you being real? Yeah, thats exactly wehy Huntley keeps trying to make serious attempts on his own life. Yes, they do not mistreat them but this is bull crap spouted out by papaers who actually know little if anything of what goes on in prisons. LOL, are you just pretending to be an idiot? Or, are you really an idiot? Must be the later. The last person who should be consulted on prison conditions are antis. Funny you should mention Huntley, though. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023195/Be-NICE-Mr-Huntley-Prison-guards-told-treat-Soham-child-killer-like-hes-family.html His suicide attempt couldn't be that serious if he took pills. Here's one.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:42:47 GMT -6
LOL, are you being real? Yeah, thats exactly wehy Huntley keeps trying to make serious attempts on his own life. Yes, they do not mistreat them but this is bull crap spouted out by papaers who actually know little if anything of what goes on in prisons. LOL, are you just pretending to be an idiot? Or, are you really an idiot? Must be the later. The last person who should be consulted on prison conditions are antis. Funny you should mention Huntley, though. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023195/Be-NICE-Mr-Huntley-Prison-guards-told-treat-Soham-child-killer-like-hes-family.html His suicide attempt couldn't be that serious if he took pills. How else was he gonna do it? His cell is "suicide proof" Theres nowhere for him to hang himself and he's too gutless to do that anyway. He keeps taking overdoses of his medication that he stores up then they find him and pump his stomach lol. This goes on and on until one day they forget to do a cell check.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:47:15 GMT -6
Then my cunning plan of a name change worked?! Just takes something so simple to change so much eh? I think you can say what you like as long as nobody important hears you. Some officer over here was disciplined just for calling the alcoholic annonymous group ( who were prison inmates ) "alchies"! So much for freedom of speech in England then. In the US as long as I am not representing TDCJ or speaking as their representive then I am free to say what I like. In other words dip shyt I can say anything about the scum bag criminals that I want to as long as I maintain confidentiality, and only speak as a private citizen. Even if I disclose what my job is I am still speaking as a citizen and not a representive of the job, if I am asked a question as an official I have to give policy and nothing more. Well that article about Huntley just pretty much backs up what i have said. Your attitude just would'nt be tolerated. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it's just the way it is here. All poilitically correct BS.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 7:54:57 GMT -6
Wouldn't be tolerated? J.C!......If any CO states "I have no opinion about any of the offenders" He/She is full of SHYT! That's the WONDERFUL thing about the US, we have freedom of speech, even at a prison! As long as it does not compromise the security of said prison. So........calling an offender a "scumbag" doesn't exactly make the unit walls crumble!
|
|
|
Post by D.E.E. on Dec 27, 2008 9:15:15 GMT -6
So much for freedom of speech in England then. In the US as long as I am not representing TDCJ or speaking as their representive then I am free to say what I like. In other words dip shyt I can say anything about the scum bag criminals that I want to as long as I maintain confidentiality, and only speak as a private citizen. Even if I disclose what my job is I am still speaking as a citizen and not a representive of the job, if I am asked a question as an official I have to give policy and nothing more. Well that article about Huntley just pretty much backs up what i have said. Your attitude just would'nt be tolerated. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it's just the way it is here. All poilitically correct BS. As I said so much for freedom of speech in your country. Dang glad I live in Texas where I can and do say how I feel. I am saying telling a person what they can and can not say as an individual is just wrong.
|
|
mike5
Banned
Ai! Ai! Ai! Ai! Ay!
Posts: 3,662
|
Post by mike5 on Dec 27, 2008 9:23:30 GMT -6
How else was he gonna do it? His cell is "suicide proof" Theres nowhere for him to hang himself and he's too gutless to do that anyway. He keeps taking overdoses of his medication that he stores up then they find him and pump his stomach lol. This goes on and on until one day they forget to do a cell check. It's pretty easy to hang yourself. All you need is a ligature and something to wrap one of the ends around. It doesn't have to be a certain height.
|
|
mike5
Banned
Ai! Ai! Ai! Ai! Ay!
Posts: 3,662
|
Post by mike5 on Dec 27, 2008 9:29:55 GMT -6
You can not violate a prisoner's privacy by making unofficial public statements about inmates by name or reference. If you do, you'll get disciplined or fired. Obviously, information is leaked all the time anonymously. General comments about the job or the prison system or the inmate population is protected speech.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 27, 2008 10:16:00 GMT -6
Well that article about Huntley just pretty much backs up what i have said. Your attitude just would'nt be tolerated. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it's just the way it is here. All poilitically correct BS. As I said so much for freedom of speech in your country. Dang glad I live in Texas where I can and do say how I feel. I am saying telling a person what they can and can not say as an individual is just wrong. I was watching a documentary about san quentin on you tube and the officer says that him and alot of the other CO's become very friendly with the inmates so it's not just the UK where this happens. I guess it just depends on how forgiving you are.
|
|
mike5
Banned
Ai! Ai! Ai! Ai! Ay!
Posts: 3,662
|
Post by mike5 on Dec 27, 2008 10:35:09 GMT -6
As I said so much for freedom of speech in your country. Dang glad I live in Texas where I can and do say how I feel. I am saying telling a person what they can and can not say as an individual is just wrong. I was watching a documentary about san quentin on you tube and the officer says that him and alot of the other CO's become very friendly with the inmates so it's not just the UK where this happens. I guess it just depends on how forgiving you are. If a CO said that, he needs counseling by his supervisors and fellow COs.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 27, 2008 11:13:06 GMT -6
This is part 1 of the docu where he said that the CO's become close to the inmates.
|
|
|
Post by D.E.E. on Dec 27, 2008 15:22:30 GMT -6
As I said so much for freedom of speech in your country. Dang glad I live in Texas where I can and do say how I feel. I am saying telling a person what they can and can not say as an individual is just wrong. I was watching a documentary about san quentin on you tube and the officer says that him and alot of the other CO's become very friendly with the inmates so it's not just the UK where this happens. I guess it just depends on how forgiving you are. Yep he can even say that here. Of course if he is too friendly then he is most likely a dirty boss and will get caught. One muct never forget that they are criminals and will take advantage when given the chance. there are inmates that I have no real problems with and whom I can talk to, but they are criminals and we both know where we stand. As I said willful ignorance.
|
|
|
Post by Tracy on Dec 28, 2008 0:08:38 GMT -6
Wait i must add that as much as i do feel safe i do know 2 people that have been murdered, both less than a mile from my home, so i dunno maybe im contradicting myself here... Probably better off getting a small handgun to keep in your house to be honest. Seeing as all the baddies in the USA have guns you should level your chances by getting one yourself! no thanks, guns terrify me, seeing i have kids and all they'd have to be locked up anyways so what good would they be in an emergency?
|
|
|
Post by mel77 on Dec 28, 2008 4:33:22 GMT -6
So you don't go by what people post but rather whether they are a particular poster or not. It is Andy, by the way. Sometimes I do go by who it is, if it is someone who is just ignorant I will try and educate them, if however they are ignorant and chose to remain that way (as in Andy) then I respond differently. The information will be the same how it is presented will be different. Which are you? What do you mean, which am I? Do you mean, ignorant and suitable of being educated by you, or ignorant and willing to remain that way? I haven't decided yet. However I am proud to say that, contrary to you, at least I learned when to use punctuation.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 28, 2008 4:48:51 GMT -6
Probably better off getting a small handgun to keep in your house to be honest. Seeing as all the baddies in the USA have guns you should level your chances by getting one yourself! no thanks, guns terrify me, seeing i have kids and all they'd have to be locked up anyways so what good would they be in an emergency? Probably no good at all seeing as you are supposed to store them unloaded too. You would be dead before you had got the gun out of storage and loaded it lol. Still, guns are fun and i wish we were allowed them here.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 9:05:04 GMT -6
I was watching a documentary about san quentin on you tube and the officer says that him and alot of the other CO's become very friendly with the inmates so it's not just the UK where this happens. I guess it just depends on how forgiving you are. Yep he can even say that here. Of course if he is too friendly then he is most likely a dirty boss and will get caught. One muct never forget that they are criminals and will take advantage when given the chance. there are inmates that I have no real problems with and whom I can talk to, but they are criminals and we both know where we stand. As I said willful ignorance. I'm not sure but I thought in that documentary on San Quentin that it was mentioned that the CO's can be friendly but never friends with the inmates.
|
|
|
Post by D.E.E. on Dec 28, 2008 18:51:59 GMT -6
Sometimes I do go by who it is, if it is someone who is just ignorant I will try and educate them, if however they are ignorant and chose to remain that way (as in Andy) then I respond differently. The information will be the same how it is presented will be different. Which are you? What do you mean, which am I? Do you mean, ignorant and suitable of being educated by you, or ignorant and willing to remain that way? I haven't decided yet. However I am proud to say that, contrary to you, at least I learned when to use punctuation. Since I don't give a rats azz about punctuation on an internet board I guess that is a real zinger you gave me. I meant are you willing to be educated or do you wish to stay ignorant? I do not care who teaches you as long as you learn. Now if you wish to remain ignorant then I will treat you that way. I will still try and educate you but not is such a nice maner. Not that it appears that you have any of those.
|
|
|
Post by D.E.E. on Dec 28, 2008 18:54:58 GMT -6
Yep he can even say that here. Of course if he is too friendly then he is most likely a dirty boss and will get caught. One muct never forget that they are criminals and will take advantage when given the chance. there are inmates that I have no real problems with and whom I can talk to, but they are criminals and we both know where we stand. As I said willful ignorance. I'm not sure but I thought in that documentary on San Quentin that it was mentioned that the CO's can be friendly but never friends with the inmates. that would be true I can talk to and be friendly towards an inmate, but I never forget that they are an inmate. I might add I can not view the clip as I have very slow dial up and it would take over an hour to down load so I do not know what is said.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 29, 2008 3:13:41 GMT -6
You don't have to download it DEE it's you tube. I will put the necessary clip on here and you can just click on it.
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 29, 2008 3:17:03 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by mel77 on Dec 29, 2008 6:12:10 GMT -6
What do you mean, which am I? Do you mean, ignorant and suitable of being educated by you, or ignorant and willing to remain that way? I haven't decided yet. However I am proud to say that, contrary to you, at least I learned when to use punctuation. Since I don't give a rats azz about punctuation on an internet board I guess that is a real zinger you gave me. I meant are you willing to be educated or do you wish to stay ignorant? I do not care who teaches you as long as you learn. Now if you wish to remain ignorant then I will treat you that way. I will still try and educate you but not is such a nice maner. Not that it appears that you have any of those. Thanks for your offer but at present I cannot think of anything which I could possible learn from you. Consequently, there is no need for you to educate me ;D By the way, what the heck is wrong with you?
|
|
|
Post by me1 on Dec 29, 2008 6:15:16 GMT -6
You have to be a certain type to get a buzz from locking people up all day Mel. DEE is one of those guys that likes to feel he is in control of those around him and that he is smarter and of a higher social standing than them. Thats why he's a CO. I wish he would'nt put all cons into the same category they are all individuals who are in the joint for various reasons.
|
|
|
Post by Felix2 on Dec 29, 2008 6:18:27 GMT -6
You have to be a certain type to get a buzz from locking people up all day Mel. DEE is one of those guys that likes to feel he is in control of those around him and that he is smarter and of a higher social standing than them. Thats why he's a CO. I wish he would'nt put all cons into the same category they are all individuals who are in the joint for various reasons. I seriously doubt that DEE gets off on his job but he just has a low toerance for BS, thats all.
|
|
|
Post by mel77 on Dec 29, 2008 6:18:59 GMT -6
Oh well.
|
|
|
Post by mel77 on Dec 29, 2008 6:19:59 GMT -6
You have to be a certain type to get a buzz from locking people up all day Mel. DEE is one of those guys that likes to feel he is in control of those around him and that he is smarter and of a higher social standing than them. Thats why he's a CO. I wish he would'nt put all cons into the same category they are all individuals who are in the joint for various reasons. I seriously doubt that DEE gets off on his job but he just has a low toerance for BS, thats all. Ah and a low tolerance for ignorant people like me
|
|
|
Post by Kay on Dec 29, 2008 6:22:18 GMT -6
You have to be a certain type to get a buzz from locking people up all day Mel. DEE is one of those guys that likes to feel he is in control of those around him and that he is smarter and of a higher social standing than them. Thats why he's a CO. I wish he would'nt put all cons into the same category they are all individuals who are in the joint for various reasons. They are all in prison because they broke the law Andy, DUH! And I've met David, shared a meal with him, and he's a perfect gentleman, and a good and decent person, so you know not what you speak of, but what's new about that
|
|